Path: news.datemas.de!not-for-mail From: Happy Oyster Newsgroups: misc.health.alternative Subject: FAQ about the insane stalker and libeler Janet Mae Drew, nee Stidd, ex-married Nelson Date: Mon, 18 Apr 2011 00:41:50 +0300 Organization: MLM Trap Lines: 6052 Message-ID: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Trace: news.datemas.de jdt24wBCx4R2haU0E5uysKBIQsLxBqQJMuzpIYBX84WK6seD9VezDMzcpAI7rrbcmd1Zczuq4gpjpfcGXWeMec/3sCJnDZRS07HG31WxmPOtXPBRKDV7EFIHSK4mnaw8XWJ4g+RSeH6czyJ80zvcosvbkI4PxjcymVV9YeOqFZk= X-Complaints-To: abuse@datemas.de NNTP-Posting-Date: Sun, 17 Apr 2011 21:39:00 +0000 (UTC) X-Newsreader: Forte Agent 3.3/32.846 Xref: news.datemas.de misc.health.alternative:30642815 Janet Mae Drew, that is a history of decades of hate and sociopathic behavior, spoiling the lives of many families. FAQ about JAN DREW, the Net stalker and agent for the naturopathic mafia ======================================================================== Part VI : Janet Mae Drew in Court ================================ A) Janet Mae Drew sues her daughter B) Her daughter is dead. Why? C) Janet Mae Drew spoiled her son: caught with speeding D) Janet Mae Drew: LIAR, INTOXICATED DRIVER, STALKER A) Janet Mae Drew sues her daughter: ------------------------------------ http://mycase.in.gov/default.aspx Case No. 53C01-9510-SC-03148 Date Filed: 10/31/1995 Location: Monroe Circuit Court 1 Plaintiff Drew, Janet 3965 Walnut Leaf Dr Bloomington, IN 47401 Defendant Egan, Jacque Nelson 201 S Curry Pk Bloomington, IN 47401 B) Her daughter is dead. Why? ----------------------------- http://mycase.in.gov/ In RE: The Estate of Jacque Nelson Case No. 53C01-1009-ES-00222 Date Filed: 09/27/2010 Location: Monroe Circuit Court 1 Decedent: Nelson, Jacque Date of Birth: 10/22/1960 Date of Death: 09/21/2010 Personal Representative: Egan, Phillip Interested Person: Drew, Janet 3965 W. Walnut Leaf Dr Bloomington, IN 47403 04/6/2011 Status Conference (10:00 AM) (Judicial Officer Hoff, E. Michael) Continued to 04/14/2011 - By Request - Egan, Phillip C) Janet Mae Drew spoiled her son: caught with speeding ------------------------------------------------------- http://mycase.in.gov/default.aspx Jeffrey L. Nelson Date of Birth: 11/17/1958 6530 CAPRICORN DR A 2708 INDIANAPOLIS, IN 46237 Case No. 70D01-1011-IF-02818 Date Filed: 11/23/2010 Location: Rush Superior Court Citation: 000012571941 Date: 11/04/2010 Speeding: 68 Speed Limit: 55 Statute: 9-21-5-2 Case No. 29D05-0602-IF-001073 Date Filed:02/16/2006 Location: Hamilton Superior Court 5 Citation: 59752 Date: 02/02/2006 Seat Belt Violation - Driver Statute: 9-19-10-2 Case No. 37C01-0403-IF-000776 Date Filed: 03/16/2004 Location: Jasper Circuit Court Citation: I 00962121 Date: 02/16/2004 Speeding: 83 Speed Limit: 55 Statute: 9-21-5-2(2) D) Janet Mae Drew: LIAR, INTOXICATED DRIVER, STALKER ---------------------------------------------------- Subject: Re: Jan Drew <-- LIAR, INTOXICATED DRIVER, STALKER Date: Wed, 30 Mar 2011 05:04:35 -0400 Message-ID: Jan Drew, you are a wicked woman, and God will deal with you. Jan Drew, you harassed and harangued, if not criminally stalked, the late Mark Probert on this ng. "You hypocrite, first take the plank out of your own eye, and then you will see clearly to remove the speck from your brother's eye." - Matthew 7:5 Jan Drew <--- operating motor vehicle intoxicated 11/10/92 http://tinyurl.com/4q37wkx https://mycase.in.gov/CaseDetail.aspx?CaseID=398956 http://tinyurl.com/4ooue8k https://mycase.in.gov/CaseDetail.aspx?CaseID=538646 http://tinyurl.com/4mdjndu https://mycase.in.gov/CaseDetail.aspx?CaseID=189201 Jan Drew <--- public intoxication invasion of privacy 3/10/93 http://tinyurl.com/6548uep https://mycase.in.gov/CaseDetail.aspx?CaseID=189892 http://tinyurl.com/6ejxynt https://mycase.in.gov/CaseDetail.aspx?CaseID=399504 http://tinyurl.com/6fxueah https://mycase.in.gov/CaseDetail.aspx?CaseID=539326 Jan Drew <--- felony operating motor vehicle intoxicated 8/16/93 http://tinyurl.com/673sj2r https://mycase.in.gov/CaseDetail.aspx?CaseID=189743 Jan Drew <--- felony operating motor vehicle intoxicated 3/29/94 http://tinyurl.com/6c3od2x https://mycase.in.gov/CaseDetail.aspx?CaseID=191677 Jan Drew <--- online behavior reported Chris Gaal Monroe County Prosecutor 301 N. College Ave., Room 211 Bloomington IN 47404 Phone: 812-349-2670 On Wed, 30 Mar 2011 05:14:42 -0400, sir wrote: On 3/30/2011 5:04 AM, sir wrote: Jan Drew, you are a wicked woman, and God will deal with you. Jan Drew, you harassed and harangued, if not criminally stalked, the late Mark Probert on this ng. "You hypocrite, first take the plank out of your own eye, and then you will see clearly to remove the speck from your brother's eye." - Matthew 7:5 Jan Drew <--- operating motor vehicle intoxicated 11/10/92 Jan Drew <--- public intoxication invasion of privacy 3/10/93 Jan Drew <--- felony operating motor vehicle intoxicated 8/16/93 Jan Drew <--- felony operating motor vehicle intoxicated 3/29/94 Case Number 53C01-9211-CM-05090 Drew, Janet M 11/09/1992 Monroe Circuit Court 1 OPER WHILE INTOX, ENDANGERING PERSONS Case Number 53C01-9303-CM-01286 Drew, Janet M 03/10/1993 Monroe Circuit Court 1 INVASION OF PRIVACY PUBLIC INTOXICATION Case Number 53C01-9308-CF-00515 Drew, Janet M 08/16/1993 Monroe Circuit Court 1 OWI WITH PRIOR OWI WITHIN 5 YEARS Case Number 53C01-9403-CF-00189 Drew, Janet M 03/29/1994 Monroe Circuit Court 1 OPERATING W/ BAC .10% http://tinyurl.com/4k4z7ng Jan Drew <--- online behavior reported Chris Gaal Monroe County Prosecutor 301 N. College Ave., Room 211 Bloomington IN 47404 Phone: 812-349-2670 Part V ====== 12.3.2011 1. The 3rd Jan Drew shows up. Who is he? 2. The history of Jan Drew 3. Where is Jan Drew? 4. Bloomington, Indiana - what a town...? 5. Jan Drew in Bloomington, Indiana 6. The second marriage of Janet Mae Stidd 7. Janet Mae Drew, nee Stidd, ex-married Nelson, is a wimp: She erases her traces. 8. Larry Loeb about Janet Mae Drew 1. The 3rd Jan Drew shows up. Who is he? ======================================== Yesterday, on July 15th., 2009, Jan Drew used this email address: "Jan Drew" today, a Jan Drew shows up and makes the very same mess as the Jan Drew before. The question is: Is this new Jan Drew the very same as the old one? Have a look at this header of a posting by the old Jan Drew: Reply-To: "Jan Drew" From: "Jan Drew" ******************************************* Newsgroups: alt.support.attn-deficit,misc.health.alternative,misc.kids.health,alt.support.breast-implant,sci.med.dentistry References: <2Tv5m.13822$Dx2.10481@flpi146.ffdc.sbc.com> <4a56c915$1@news.x-privat.org> <5887315b-4039-4968-96b4-690ef356cdf7@k20g2000vbp.googlegroups.com> <1n5f55h7u4c42bi46dd3edip1jill4llqg@4ax.com> <4a57f60d@news.x-privat.org> <4a5949b8@news.x-privat.org> <%tR6m.13435$j84.75@nlpi061.nbdc.sbc.com> <598f2214-9713-4260-b3e6-2970dcad8ef3@r34g2000vba.googlegroups.com> In-Reply-To: <598f2214-9713-4260-b3e6-2970dcad8ef3@r34g2000vba.googlegroups.com> Subject: Re: Turning every which way Lines: 90 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=original Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Windows Mail 6.0.6002.18005 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.0.6002.18005 Message-ID: NNTP-Posting-Host: 70.239.89.125 X-Complaints-To: abuse@prodigy.net X-Trace: nlpi061.nbdc.sbc.com 1247630893 ST000 70.239.89.125 (Wed, 15 Jul 2009 ************************************************************ 00:08:13 EDT) NNTP-Posting-Date: Wed, 15 Jul 2009 00:08:13 EDT Organization: at&t http://my.att.net/ X-UserInfo1: SCSYQNON_BWWSTT[_X_JJ\UDFZ\@@FXLM@TDOCQDJ@_@FNHBK^RAQFW[ML\THRCKV^GGZKJMGV^^_JSCFFUA_QXFGVSCYRPILH]TRVKC^LSN@DX_HCAFX__@J\DAJBVMY\ZWZCZLPA^MVH_P@\\EOMW\YSXHG__IJQY_@M[A[[AXQ_XDSTAR]\PG]NVAQUVM Date: Wed, 15 Jul 2009 00:08:06 -0400 misc.health.alternative:625434 misc.kids.health:185126 alt.support.breast-implant:159698 sci.med.dentistry:311488 [name of person, who is stalked by Jan Drew for years] wrote in message news:598f2214-9713-4260-b3e6-2970dcad8ef3@r34g2000vba.googlegroups.com... On Jul 13, 9:48 pm, "Jan Drew" wrote: > [name of person, who is stalked by Jan Drew for years] wrote in message The old Jan Drew posts from the IP X-Trace: nlpi061.nbdc.sbc.com 1247630893 ST000 70.239.89.125 (Wed, 15 Jul 2009 The new Jan Drew with the email address Jan Drew posts from this IP: Injection-Info: r2g2000yqm.googlegroups.com; posting-host=70.239.93.194; See this piece of proof: From: Jan Drew ************************************* Newsgroups: misc.health.alternative Subject: Re: TURNABOUT IS FAIR PLAY Date: Thu, 16 Jul 2009 13:25:41 -0700 (PDT) Organization: http://groups.google.com Lines: 77 Message-ID: References: <1934e371-d192-4b1e-88be-e8db77045bb3@q35g2000vbi.googlegroups.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: 70.239.93.194 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Trace: posting.google.com 1247775941 27518 127.0.0.1 (16 Jul 2009 20:25:41 GMT) X-Complaints-To: groups-abuse@google.com NNTP-Posting-Date: Thu, 16 Jul 2009 20:25:41 +0000 (UTC) Complaints-To: groups-abuse@google.com Injection-Info: r2g2000yqm.googlegroups.com; posting-host=70.239.93.194; ************************************************************************* posting-account=OFeWnQoAAABbB1i9TveLsH6hCiYooPyP User-Agent: G2/1.0 X-HTTP-UserAgent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Windows NT 6.0; en-US; rv:1.9.1) Gecko/20090624 Firefox/3.5 (.NET CLR 3.5.30729),gzip(gfe),gzip(gfe) Oh, dear [name of person, who is stalked by Jan Drew for years] is shouting again. You should be careful. Remember you will be 64 in November of this year. Regardless of all your antics to prove otherwise. The fact is you posted your birthday. On Jul 15, 11:27 pm, [name of person, who is stalked by Jan Drew for years] wrote: > For years Jan has felt it is her right to report anyone she wishes to > their ISP or email provider. > > She has now claimed that she has reported me. > > It is time to stop her. > > I am asking everyone who is fed up with this disgusting person's > actions to report her to her ISP: Make it so that they will do > something because they are working too hard dealing with complaints > about her. > > It is time to stop her. > > Path: g2news1.google.com!news3.google.com!news2.google.com! > news.glorb.com!nlpi057.nbdc.sbc.com!prodigy.net!flph199.ffdc.sbc.com! > prodigy.com!nlpi071.nbdc.sbc.com!flpi146.ffdc.sbc.com.POSTED!6c044f75! > not-for-mail > Reply-To: "Jan Drew" > From: "Jan Drew" > Newsgroups:alt.support.attn-deficit,misc.health.alternative,misc.kids.health,alt.support.breast-implant,sci.med.dentistry > References: <2Tv5m.13822$Dx2.10481@flpi146.ffdc.sbc.com> > <4a56c91...@news.x-privat.org> > <5887315b-4039-4968-96b4-690ef356c...@k20g2000vbp.googlegroups.com> > <1n5f55h7u4c42bi46dd3edip1jill4l...@4ax.com> fd1f1db1c...@m18g2000vbi.googlegroups.com> <4a57f...@news.x- > privat.org> aa43-144adc5c8...@j12g2000vbl.googlegroups.com> <4a594...@news.x- > privat.org> > < > %tR6m.13435$j84...@nlpi061.nbdc.sbc.com> <598f2214-9713-4260- > b3e6-2970dcad8...@r34g2000vba.googlegroups.com> 16203$j84.2...@nlpi061.nbdc.sbc.com> f1fe8053d...@p23g2000vbl.googlegroups.com> 11922$lv5.8...@flpi149.ffdc.sbc.com> c6a3-4f6e-812a-59d022587...@r24g2000vbn.googlegroups.com> > In-Reply-To: c6a3-4f6e-812a-59d022587...@r24g2000vbn.googlegroups.com> > Subject: Re: Turning every which way > Lines: 59 > MIME-Version: 1.0 > Content-Type: text/plain; >         format=flowed; >         charset="iso-8859-1"; >         reply-type=original > Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit > X-Priority: 3 > X-MSMail-Priority: Normal > X-Newsreader: Microsoft Windows Mail 6.0.6002.18005 > X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.0.6002.18005 > Message-ID: > NNTP-Posting-Host: 68.76.216.180 > X-Complaints-To: ab...@prodigy.net > X-Trace: flpi146.ffdc.sbc.com 1247712809 ST000 68.76.216.180 (Wed, 15 > Jul 2009 22:53:29 EDT) > NNTP-Posting-Date: Wed, 15 Jul 2009 22:53:29 EDT > Organization: at&thttp://my.att.net/ > X-UserInfo1: OX[[BWSEBJBUW]YSN > [O@_WH@YR_B@EXLLBWLOOAFJYWZUYICD^RAQBKZQTZTX\_I[^G_KGFNON[ZOE_AZNVO^ > \XGGNTCIRPIJH[@RQKBXLRZ@CD^HKANYVW@RLGEZEJN@\_WZJBNZYYKVIOR]T]MNMG_Z > [YVWSCH_Q[GPC_A@CARQVXDSDA^M]@DRVUM@RBM > Date: Wed, 15 Jul 2009 23:01:45 -0400 > > I suggest you read your terms of service > At Gmail.com,Optimum.net, cv.net, and google.com You are not fooling me, [name of person, who is stalked by Jan Drew for years]. I happen to know you reported me several days ago. And, what does Torah say about turnabout is fair play? So we have: From: Jan Drew Date: Thu, 16 Jul 2009 13:25:41 -0700 (PDT) but about an hour later, with the same email address another IP shows up: From: Jan Drew Date: Thu, 16 Jul 2009 14:41:12 -0700 (PDT) See this piece of proof: From: Jan Drew ********************************************** Newsgroups: alt.support.attn-deficit,sci.med,misc.health.alternative,misc.kids.health Subject: Re: ADHD Drugs Proven Absolutely Useless for Children - Plus, They Stunt Growth Date: Thu, 16 Jul 2009 14:41:12 -0700 (PDT) ********************************************** Organization: http://groups.google.com Lines: 418 Message-ID: <356ea98d-dfc2-471b-84c5-57daa71288cf@r2g2000yqm.googlegroups.com> References: <97f92520-cdcc-4952-bc3f-a8b4e6b3c1e4@a39g2000pre.googlegroups.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: 64.12.112.11 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=windows-1252 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Trace: posting.google.com 1247780472 9697 127.0.0.1 (16 Jul 2009 21:41:12 GMT) X-Complaints-To: groups-abuse@google.com NNTP-Posting-Date: Thu, 16 Jul 2009 21:41:12 +0000 (UTC) Complaints-To: groups-abuse@google.com Injection-Info: r2g2000yqm.googlegroups.com; posting-host=64.12.112.11; *********************************************************************** posting-account=OFeWnQoAAABbB1i9TveLsH6hCiYooPyP User-Agent: G2/1.0 X-HTTP-UserAgent: Mozilla/4.0 (compatible; MSIE 7.0; AOL 9.0; Windows NT 6.0; Trident/4.0; SLCC1; .NET CLR 2.0.50727; Media Center PC 5.0; .NET CLR 3.5.30729; .NET CLR 3.0.30729),gzip(gfe),gzip(gfe) X-HTTP-Via: HTTP/1.1 (Velocity/3.1.1.5 [uScMs f p eN:t cCMp s ]), HTTP/1.0 spider-mtc-ta11.proxy.aol.com[400C700B] (Prism/1.2.1) On Jul 12, 7:01 pm, [name of person, who is stalked by Jan Drew for years] wrote: > On Jul 12, 1:48 am, bosco62a wrote: This is the IP: Injection-Info: r2g2000yqm.googlegroups.com; posting-host=64.12.112.11; So we see that Jan Drew also uses this IP from AOL: IP Information for 64.12.112.11 IP Location: United States Reston America Online Inc Resolve Host: spider-mtc-ta11.proxy.aol.com IP Address: 64.12.112.11 Blacklist Status: Clear Whois Record OrgName:    America Online, Inc.  OrgID:      AMERIC-158 Address:    10600 Infantry Ridge Road City:       Manassas StateProv:  VA PostalCode: 20109 Country:    US AOL is the very same provider which Jan Drew #1 used. ------------------------------------------------------------------------ 2. The history of Jan Drew ========================== This new Jan Drew is #3 as Jan Drew #1 was the one with the AOL account. #1. jdrew63929@aol.com (JDrew63929) #2. "Jan Drew" #3. Jan Drew I looked at the profiles of Jan Drew #1 and Jan Drew #2: http://groups.google.de/groups/profile?enc_user=mjG-gxIAAAAcoQ2KLl1VxZeaTlHITt8e8rhlH0Pnl47z4AZhN98BFg That is for Jan Drew's old account at AOL. jdrew63929@aol.com (JDrew63929)   Posting-Aktivität Jan. Feb. Mrz. Apr. Mai Jun. Jul. Aug. Sep. Okt. Nov. Dez. 1999 - - 191 99 54 223 289 260 203 359 297 192 2000 109 276 414 249 461 628 384 284 191 60 416 626 2001 534 152 572 297 677 430 715 621 281 278 392 599 2002 788 481 343 390 508 718 666 643 655 874 561 954 2003 621 866 932 646 629 746 539 593 595 500 521 569 2004 459 692 958 716 749 524 694 1045 784 1007 1151 977 2005 480 1143 206 - - - - 5  - - - 2  2006  3   7  10 157  6  13 21  3  21 43  5  24 2007 74 37 -  5  - 5   2   -  1  - - - 2008  9  - - - 21 - - - - - - - This is for "Jan Drew" http://groups.google.de/groups/profile?enc_user=5J_FIxcAAADGQdj7vwDkkkzclBLHYN6whUEdIBtH1-9oWMCTqaiMrA Posting-Aktivität Jan. Feb. Mrz. Apr. Mai Jun. Jul. Aug. Sep. Okt. Nov. Dez. - .... .... .... .... .... .... .... .... .... .... .... .... 2006 - 157 2293 1921 1837 2092 2273 1865 1797 2453 1600 1042 2007 475 357 406 523 561 490 370 287 326 435 798 552 2008 942 1346 892 1006 579 1076 742 877 451 555 383 424 2009 909 691 585 345 861 835 423 As you can see: The old account at AOL still is used, but less often. Here you can see the activities of Jan Drew #3: http://groups.google.de/groups/profile?enc_user=pps3lhMAAABsyTkDyyCDPfvL_gVgZJy1WMj6vob75xS36mXc24h6ww ------------------------------------------------------------------------ 3. Where is Jan Drew? ===================== In an old posting I found the word "Bloomington", which made me curious. So I tried to find more about it. This I now found with the word "bloomington": http://www.theangelconnection.net/school9.html 2433) Bill Drew, Bloomington, Indiana 2434) Jan Drew, Bloomington, Indiana I also found this: LookupAnyone.com - People Directory - Jan Drew Drew, Jan L, 63, Cheyenne, WY. Drew, Jana Brittain, 45, Wilmington, NC. Drew, Janelle L, 36, Sublette, IL. Drew, Janet B, 70, Bloomington, IN ... *************************************** www.lookupanyone.com/namelistings/jan-drew.html LookupAnyone.com - People Directory - Jan Harper Harper, Jan L, 84, Loveland, CO. Harper, Jan Drew, 53, Fairview, NC ... Harper, Jan E, 54, Cincinnati, OH. Harper, Jan, Bloomington, IN ... www.lookupanyone.com/namelistings/jan-harper.html Well, Bloomington turns out to be a town in Indiana. The WHOIS for the IP of Jan Drew #2 (which actually is Jan Drew #3) gives for (see above!) nlpi061.nbdc.sbc.com 1247630893 ST000 70.239.89.125 (Wed, 15 Jul 2009 this result: IP Information for 70.239.89.125 IP Location: United States Bloomington AT&T Internet Services ************************************************************** Resolve Host: adsl-70-239-89-125.dsl.bltnin.sbcglobal.net ********************************************************* IP Address: 70.239.89.125 Blacklist Status: Clear Whois Record OrgName:    AT&T Internet Services  OrgID:      SIS-80 Address:    2701 N. Central Expwy # 2205.15 City:       Richardson StateProv:  TX PostalCode: 75080 Country:    US NetRange:   70.224.0.0 - 70.239.255.255  CIDR:       70.224.0.0/12  NetName:    SBCIS-SIS80 NetHandle:  NET-70-224-0-0-1 Parent:     NET-70-0-0-0-0 NetType:    Direct Allocation NameServer: NS1.AMERITECH.NET NameServer: NS2.AMERITECH.NET Comment:     RegDate:    2005-03-22 Updated:    2007-05-25 OrgAbuseHandle: ABUSE6-ARIN OrgAbuseName:   Abuse - Southwestern Bell Internet  OrgAbusePhone:  +1-800-648-1626 Bloomington, Indiana. ------------------------------------------------------------------------ 4. Bloomington, Indiana - what a town...? ========================================= Searching with Jan Drew Blomington one hit is this: Recently Visited Groups | Help | Sign in misc.health.alternative Message from discussion Debbee/Deborah Annie Adams either Put up or Shut up!--Jan Drew wins the SEA EWE EN TEA Award View parsed - Show only message text Path: g2news1.google.com!news3.google.com!out02a.usenetserver.com!news.usenetserver.com!in04.usenetserver.com!news.usenetserver.com!nlpi057.nbdc.sbc.com!prodigy.net!flpi088.ffdc.sbc.com!prodigy.com!flpi107.ffdc.sbc.com!nlpi066.nbdc.sbc.com.POSTED!6c044f75!not-for-mail From: "Jan Drew" ****************************************** Newsgroups: misc.health.alternative,alt.support.breast-implant References: <5fb276c9-4492-466d-8f55-fbc7afb4a5fb@t12g2000prg.googlegroups.com> <8lZ7k.14208$Ri.12268@flpi146.ffdc.sbc.com> <2095c8bf-ab0d-4931-98bc-5d70c7ed9203@d19g2000prm.googlegroups.com> <3eba8128-72f8-4d08-95a1-5d326dfa457d@p25g2000pri.googlegroups.com> <4jY8k.29005$ZE5.25632@nlpi061.nbdc.sbc.com> <8f930eab-5c8f-4d7c-8457-23bae7ebd5ad@h1g2000prh.googlegroups.com> <5a2f4537-a888-4df8-856e-be00515bafc9@z66g2000hsc.googlegroups.com> In-Reply-To: Subject: Re: Debbee/Deborah Annie Adams either Put up or Shut up!--Jan Drew wins the SEA EWE EN TEA Award Lines: 463 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=original Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Windows Mail 6.0.6001.18000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.0.6001.18000 Message-ID: NNTP-Posting-Host: 70.239.91.212 ******************************** X-Complaints-To: abuse@prodigy.net X-Trace: nlpi066.nbdc.sbc.com 1215143201 ST000 70.239.91.212 (Thu, 03 Jul 2008 23:46:41 EDT) NNTP-Posting-Date: Thu, 03 Jul 2008 23:46:41 EDT Organization: at&t http://my.att.net/ X-UserInfo1: SCSYQN_@OPT[B_\YYJ_BZ]EJUSXB@DTMNHWB_EYLJZ]BGIELNVUEAE[YETZPIWWI[FCIZA^NBFXZ_D[BFNTCNVPDTNTKHWXKB@X^B_OCJLPZ@ET_O[G\XSG@E\G[ZKVLBL^CJINM@I_KVIOR\T_M_AW_M[_BWU_HFA_]@A_A^SGFAUDE_DFTMQPFWVW[QPJN Date: Thu, 3 Jul 2008 23:46:08 -0400 You, Deborah Annie Adams first wrote: Jan: Since it would appear that you always have to be "right," it would appear that you can not admit that you invented some stories about me that are not truthful in nature. I sent you a "cease and desist" letter from this email address. I only came back to post (I still get all of the emails from the group) and make it very perfectly clear that you have no clue of what you are discussing about me, and those that do, are laughing at you. Would you rather be, "right," in your own mind, or look foolish amongst those that are "in the know." I'm no longer reading this newsgroup, and came back when yet again, you would appear to be a few sandwiches short of a full picnic, and I will not longer tolerate the garbage that is spewing from your toxic mouth. Leave my name out of your discussions. Lose my name from your vocabulary. Got it? I hope so. And by the way, Annie is a nickname that some people call me because it is part of my name. Just because I am no longer posting, does not mean I am no longer reading. "BeeStings" wrote in message news:5fb276c9-4492-466d-8f55-fbc7afb4a5fb@t12g2000prg.googlegroups.com... > Jan: Yes, Debbee? OrgName: Netscape Communications Corp. OrgID: NSCP Address: 501 E. Middlefield City: Mountain View StateProv: CA PostalCode: 94043 Country: US NetRange: 207.200.64.0 - 207.200.127.255 CIDR: 207.200.64.0/18 NetName: NETSCAPE-CIDR NetHandle: NET-207-200-64-0-1 Parent: NET-207-0-0-0-0 NetType: Direct Allocation NameServer: NS.NETSCAPE.COM NameServer: NS2.NETSCAPE.COM Comment: ADDRESSES WITHIN THIS BLOCK ARE NON-PORTABLE RegDate: 1996-09-06 Updated: 2001-03-28 RTechHandle: AOL-NOC-ARIN RTechName: America Online, Inc. RTechPhone: +1-703-265-4670 RTechEmail: doma...@aol.net > Since it would appear that you always have to be "right," Oh, really? *would appear*, why don't you just speak up? > it would appear that you can not admit that you invented some stories about me that are not truthful in nature. I have nothing to admit, since I did NOT invent any stories about you, Debbee ***************************************************************************** Adams. ****** > I sent you a "cease and desist" letter from this email address. NO, you did not. In fact you sent me an email form SNIFFFTHIS, and used the name Annie, then signed it B. > I only came back to post (I still get all of the emails from the group) and make it very perfectly clear that you > have no clue of what you are discussing about me, and those that do, are laughing at you. > Would you rather be, "right," in your own mind, or look foolish > amongst those that are "in the know." > I'm no longer reading this newsgroup, and came back when yet again, you would appear to be a few sandwiches short of a full picnic, > and I will not longer tolerate the garbage that is spewing from your toxic mouth. > Leave my name out of your discussions. Lose my name from your > vocabulary. > Got it? I hope so. > And by the way, Annie is a nickname that some people call me because it is part of my name. lol. I thought you said you were not Annie? > Just because I am no longer posting, does not mean I am no longer reading. lol. Poor Debbee: *I'm no longer reading this newsgroup*. Get help. Now, I will in fact post the email you sent me in another post. And...................... Don't even think about telling me what to do, post, or--otherwise, Debbee. Got that? Debbee A Adams do NOT email me again using different names, and a bit of history From Dbeesti...@aol.com Sat Jun 21 01:21:49 2008 X-Apparently-To: jdrew1...@sbcglobal.net via 209.191.85.222; Sat, 21 Jun 2008 01:21:56 -0700 X-Originating-IP: [64.12.137.9] Return-Path: Authentication-Results: mta125.sbc.mail.re3.yahoo.com from=aol.com; domainkeys=neutral (no sig) Received: from 207.115.36.36 (EHLO nlpi007.prodigy.net) (207.115.36.36) by mta125.sbc.mail.re3.yahoo.com with SMTP; Sat, 21 Jun 2008 01:21:56 -0700 X-Originating-IP: [64.12.137.9] Received: from imo-m28.mx.aol.com (imo-m28.mx.aol.com [64.12.137.9]) by nlpi007.prodigy.net (8.13.8 inb regex/8.13.8) with ESMTP id m5L8Ls8B013159 for ; Sat, 21 Jun 2008 03:21:54 -0500 Received: from Dbeesti...@aol.com by imo-m28.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v38_r9.4.) id j.d64.27777f10 (30737) for ; Sat, 21 Jun 2008 04:21:49 -0400 (EDT) From: Dbeesti...@aol.com Add to Address Book Add Mobile Alert Message-ID: Date: Sat, 21 Jun 2008 04:21:49 EDT Subject: "Cease and Desist" To: jdrew1...@sbcglobal.net MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="part1_d64.27777f10.358e141d_boundary" X-Mailer: Thunderbird - Mac OS X sub 206 X-Spam-Flag: NO Content-Length: 3714 June 21, 2008 This written to advise you to "cease and desist" from discussing me, and libeling me any further than you have. I'm tired of you posting about untruthful information about me, and Annie is one of my names. I have proof that my computer was hacked into, and hacked into people connected to Quackwatch. All you are doing is making a bigger fool out of yourself than you already have. Bob Kulacz, and Tim Bolen have copies of the emails I sent. The windows portion of my Mac Book was hacked into, and I'm no longer on Wireless. I am on dial-up. You have no idea of what you are talking about. You falsely accused me of (Bob Kulacz forwarded me the emails) of going to California to stalk Ilena, that I had joined the gang, and that you didn't trust me. This was entire fairy tale that you and Ilena made up, and I'm sorry that you feel that anyone that doesn't agree with you is a LIAR, but you have libelled me for the last time. It will not happen again. I am no longer posting there and there is no further need to discuss me. Ask your attorney to explain what "LIBEL" is. Calling someone a liar just because you don't happen to believe them, is libel. And there are two J. Drew's. It was even pointed out by another poster in the group. Thank you. Deborah Annie Adams -------------------------------------------- OOPs, note is is now J. Drew and not Jan Drew's Now, let's see what both Myrl Jeffcoat and Coleah Ayres has to say about Debbee http://groups.google.com/group/misc.health.alternative/msg/8239d7e6a3... Oct 27, 2007 Newsgroups: misc.health.alternative, alt.support.breast-implant From: Myrl Date: Sat, 27 Oct 2007 14:52:42 -0000 Local: Sat, Oct 27 2007 10:52 am Subject: Re: To MYRL and ILENA You have contacted my employer which goes outside the bounds of civil behavior one Usenet. I consider you to be a stalker and abuser. Therefore, I will no longer respond to you except to post this message. YOU ARE HEREBY PLACED ON NOTICE NOT TO ATTEMPT TO CONTACT ME IN THE SLIGHTEST MANNER. YOU ARE NOT TO CONTACT ANYONE ABOUT ME. TO DO SO WILL JUSTIFY MY TAKING FURTHER ACTION, WHEN, WHERE AND WHAT AS I SEE FIT. On Oct 27, 12:16 am, "SNIFFFT...@gmail.com" wrote: > On Oct 26, 4:37 pm, Myrl wrote: > > For a list of the actual webpages created by Ilena Rosenthal, please visit: > >http://www.ilena-rosenthal.com/ilenawebpages.html > > For the Truth and the Facts surrounding Ilena Rosenthal and her foundation, please visit: > >http://www.ilena-rosenthal.com > I ran Ilena Rosenthal's name through a bunch of databases. I also called the DRE. Ilena Rosenthal has a license through the DRE, as do you, Myrl Jeffcoat. Have you done anything Myrl or Ilena that would violate the code ethics of the licenses you have?? I'm kind of curious to find out if something I read a while back has any truth attached to it. I have read where fans of celebrities have started websites using the celebrities names in the website address, and the celebrities have successfully been able to have those websites removed because the fan was using a name other than their own in the web address, and without permission. ------------------------------------ Follow that thread. You will see Debbee Adams--Snifffthis has nuked her posts. However, she evidently cannot nuke her profile. http://groups.google.com/group/misc.health.alternative/msg/948ed26ada... Newsgroups: misc.health.alternative, alt.support.breast-implant From: Coleah Date: Tue, 23 Oct 2007 09:56:27 -0700 Local: Tues, Oct 23 2007 12:56 pm Subject: Re: To MYRL and ILENA DEBBEE SAID: "Apparently you have nothing better to do, some of us work for a living. Some of us have real lives." >From the mouth of (2nd from left) blonde: Debbee A Adams (54) San Carlos, CA and Milton, WA http://www.louielouie.net/pix-2007/loufest2007/ep-da-jeff-rfs.jpg I am very happily RETIRED from working. But, thank you for your 'unusual concern' about how I spend MY time. You wouldn't have been 'baiting' to learn who my 'employer' was, so you could complain about me, were you?????? Chortle, chortle, chortle. [Apparently DEBBEE has nothing better to do (while she's 'working' so hard for a living) than to search the internet looking for some kind of 'dirt' on people. The best she could do with me was find a reference to a store I previously owned.] Is that YOUR 'real life', DEBBEE? Certainly writing for little known rag called 60's Beat can't be all you do to pay the rent. >From a few previous poster's mentioning something about DEBBEE and a lawsuit....I got the impression DEBBEE had sued Mark Lindsey of Paul Revere and the Raiders. Alas it appears was the other way around. Funny how she denied any knowledge of it however. http://groups.google.com/group/misc.health.alternative/msg/536569d0bf... Newsgroups: misc.health.alternative, alt.support.breast-implant From: Myrl Date: Wed, 24 Oct 2007 00:06:53 -0000 Local: Tues, Oct 23 2007 8:06 pm Subject: Re: To MYRL and ILENA On Oct 23, 2:33 pm, "SNIFFFT...@gmail.com" wrote: > On Oct 23, 9:56 am, Coleah wrote: > I know nothing of what you are speaking about. > I'm not the editor of any publication. > I do not live in Milton, WA or San Carlos, CA > There goes your credibility, Coleah right down the tube. > Deb Adams is not even my real name. So then Debbee - when you contacted corporate GMAC in the last couple of days, to complain about me, you are saying you lied about your name??? --------------------------------------- On Oct 23, 4:43 pm, "SNIFFFT...@gmail.com" wrote: > On Oct 23, 3:50 pm, Coleah wrote: > It is *not your business*, Miss Busy Body, of *who* I am, *what* I do for a living, and *where* I live. Nor is *your business* what I am even > doing here. This is the Usenet, and ANYONE can post here, for any reason. Got it? Good. Mind your own business, and I'll mind mine. Wow - Debbee is calling people "Miss Busy Body" - and stating it isn't our business to know *who" she is, *what" she does for a living, or *where* she lives. Yet, she sees fit to get into other people's business, calling their employers, etc. and giving fictious and defamatory information. What a piece of work you are Debbee! I can understand why you would wish to come out from under a rock to do your business, and then slither right back under again, once you've done your reptilian handiwork! You appear to be just another "free speech" hypocrite. "BeeStings" wrote in message news:572e071b-2610-4d60-b4e5-9f45ceae2b93@r37g2000prm.googlegroups.com... > Jan Drew wrote: >> lol. Poor Debbee: >> *I'm no longer reading this newsgroup*. >> Get help. >> Now, I will in fact post the email you sent me in another post. And...................... >> Don't even think about telling me what to do, post, or--otherwise, Debbee. >> Got that? > It would appear that you need professional help in dealing with your abusive behavior. > Just because someone has abused you in the past, or present, does not give you the absolute > right to abuse others. Nor does it give you any special privileges to post lies about people you do not even know. > If you do not know where to turn for professional help; I suggest contacting your doctor and asking for referrals. > You are the one that needs help, not me. > I think it would be in your best interest to remove the post you just made. > Thank you. It DOES appear, not *would* that YOU Deborah Annie Adams need professional help. You have NEVER proven a single one of your false accusations. Nor--have you proven you KNOW there are two Jan Drew's posting on any of the same groups *I* Jan Drew post on. There has been no abusive behavior towards you for me. Your words: * Just because someone has abused you in the past, or present, does not give you the absolute right to abuse others.* And, just who would that be? Where did that come from? It DOES appear, you do not know what you are posting about So much for libel. Now, either put up or shut up! Create a group - Google Groups - Google Home - Terms of Service - Privacy Policy ©2009 Google Jan Drew in another case of Net stalking, as in unknown other cases before and later. What did Jan Drew write?: I have nothing to admit, since I did NOT invent any stories about you, Debbee ***************************************************************************** Adams. ****** That is fine because I did not invent any stories about Jan Drew. I only followed this figure and archived material... Jan Drew also wrote: Follow that thread. You will see Debbee Adams--Snifffthis has nuked her posts. However, she evidently cannot nuke her profile. Jan Drew does not seem to know what a boomerang is... ------------------------------------------------------------------------ 5. Jan Drew in Bloomington, Indiana =================================== Jan Drew claims to have owned a children day care center. But one of the many things which Jan Drew refused to ever prove was this. Jan Drew even refused to prove that he/she is female. Well, looking for Jan Drew Bloomington reveiled many details. Like this one: http://www.linkedin.com/pub/janet-drew/9/302/551 Janet Drew Owner, rtired Bloomington, Indiana Area Research Current Owner at rtired Connections 0 connections Public Profile And this one: http://www.heraldtimesonline.com/stories/comments/cmt.php?sto_uri =L3N0b3JpZXMvMjAwOC8wNi8yNS9uZXdzLnFwLTkxNDQwMjYuc3Rv&start=24 http://www.heraldtimesonline.com/stories/comments/cmt.php?sto_uri=L3N0b3JpZXMvMjAwOC8wNi8yNS9uZXdzLnFwLTkxNDQwMjYuc3Rv&start=24 Janet Drew Thursday, June 26, 2008: 6:23 pm More from 'Janet Drew' God Bless Leon. He is no longer in pain. My daughter Jacque Nelson brought Hinkles from him. ************************* I got to know him. He hadn't felt well for some time. Larrry (his son) and wife Joan took him to their home in Florida. So happy he was with them when he passed away. He will never be forgotten by any here in Bloomington who knew and loved him. ***************************************************** Rest in peace, Leon. And this one: http://www.complaintsboard.com/bycity/united-states/indiana/bloomington/page/3 Complaints in Bloomington, Indiana ================================== Intelius Posted: 2008-05-28 by Janet [send email] Credit card not credited Complaint Rating: Talked with Carmen. All charges were to be credited. Conformation # 12056098. $4.95 of 5-14-08 has not been credited. Do so immediately. Janet Drew Reply to jdrew63929@aol.com... *************************** KABOOM!!!!!!!!!!! ***************** Janet Drew Reply to jdrew63929@aol.com... In may 2008 Jan Drew of Bloomington, Indiana, used the email address jdrew63929@aol.com That is exactly the very same as Jan Drew #1 used: http://groups.google.de/groups/profile?enc_user=mjG-gxIAAAAcoQ2KLl1VxZeaTlHITt8e8rhlH0Pnl47z4AZhN98BFg That is for Jan Drew's old account at AOL. jdrew63929@aol.com (JDrew63929) ------------------------------------------------------------------------ 6. The second marriage of Janet Mae Stidd ========================================= Jan Drew posts as "Jan Drew", but is that really her name? How about Janet or Janice? Remember of of the search engine hits above? My daughter Jacque Nelson... Search engines love that... ;O) And they dig out precious little details ... like this: http://www.wyandotteenterprises.com/Genealogy/DescendantsOfAndrewRichardson.htm 318 3 6732 Benjamin David Stidd (DOB: 05/18/1916) [DOD: 02/06/2001]{ M } Father: --- | 5461 Charles Thomas Stidd (DOB: 12/21/1881) [DOD: 00/00/1957] Mother: 311 | 5460 Lorene Sluss (DOB: 03/16/1885) [DOD: 00/00/1939] Spouse/SO: --- | 16325 Alma Mae Selzer (DOB: 10/22/1916) SO's father: --- | 16336 Clarence E. Selzer (DOB: abt. 00/00/1890) [DOD: 12/21/1979] SO's mother: --- | 16337 Erslie Woelflin Children 319 | 16326 Dr. Benton Maurice Stidd (DOB: 06/30/1936) 324 | 16328 Janet Mae Stidd (DOB: 03/16/1939) ********************************************** 327 | 16335 Dr. Raymond Edward Stidd (DOB: 01/31/1938) Born: Monroe Cty., IN Documentation (birth): + Index to Monroe County, Indiana Birth Records 1882-1920 (re: Book H-8, p 297). Hays shows the year as 1914. Died: Ellettsville, Richland Twp., Monroe Cty., IN Buried: Valhalla Memory Gardens, Bloomington, Bloomington Twp., Monroe Cty., IN Obituary: Benjamin David Stidd, 84 May 18, 1916 - Feb. 6, 2001 ELLETTSVIlLE - Benjamin David Stidd, age 84, of Ellettsville, died Tuesday at his residence. He was born May 18, 1916, in Monroe County, the son of Charles and Lorena (Sluss) Stidd. He was a 1934 graduate of Bloomington High School, and was a retired contractor and well-known farmer residing in the Bean Blossom bottom area of Monroe County most of his life. He was active in the Stinesville Parent Teachers Association and was its president from 1954 to 1956. During World War II, he was involved in the construction of Camp Atterbury in Columbus, the Allison Plant in Indianapolis, as well as a similar facility in Evansville, and finally finished his service at the Crane Naval Station in construction of military facilities. He was a member of the Seventh Day Adventist Church and served in several capacities as deacon and elder. He was married to Alma Mae Selzer of Bloomington in 1934, and she remains. Other survivors include three children, Dr. Benton M. Stidd of Liberty Hollow Road, a retired professor from Western Illinois University, Dr. Raymond E. Stidd of Nashville, a retired Columbus podiatrist, and a daughter, Janet Drew of Bloomington, retired owner of Happy Day Care ************************************************************************** Center; ******* three sisters, Martha Collins and Velma Hall of Bloomington and Jenny Name of Ellettsville; 11 grandchildren and 17 great-grandchildren. He was preceded in death by three brothers, Farwell Stidd, Leon Stidd and Lester Stidd, and two sisters, Louise Richardson and Freda Bain. Funeral service will be 1 p.m. Friday at Day Mortuary Chapel. Burial will be at Valhalla Memory Gardens Mausoleum. Friends may call at Day Mortuary from 5-8 p.m. on Thursday. Friends who wish may make memorial contributions to the scholarship fund of the Stinesville Alumni Association. Addresses: Ellettsville, RichlandTwp., Monroe Cty., IN Military Service: During World War II, he was involved in the construction of Camp Atterbury in Columbus, the Allison Plant in Indianapolis, as well as a similar facility in Evansville, and finally finished his service at the Crane Naval Station in construction of military facilities. Employment/Professions: Farmer Education: Bloomington High School (Bloomington, Monroe Cty., IN) *High School* 1934 Religion: Seventh-day Adventists ******************************** Documents:Obituary Herald-Times (Bloomington, IN), 2/7/2001 Notes: From obituary. THD 22124 and this: http://www.wyandotteenterprises.com/Genealogy/DescendantsOfAndrewRichardson.htm 324 4 16328 Janet Mae Stidd (DOB: 03/16/1939) { F } *************************************************** Father: 318 | 6732 Benjamin David Stidd (DOB: 05/18/1916) [DOD: 02/06/2001] Mother: --- | 16325 Alma Mae Selzer (DOB: 10/22/1916) Spouse/SO: --- | 16329 Jack Leroy Nelson (DOB: 07/07/1936) ********************************************************** SO's father: --- | 16330 Don Nelson SO's mother: --- | 16331 Anna Bell Jones Spouse/SO: --- | 16332 James William Drew (DOB: 03/29/1935) *********************************************************** SO's father: --- | 16333 James F. Drew SO's mother: --- | 16334 Grace Small Children 325 | 16767 Jeffery Lynn Nelson (DOB: 11/17/1958) 326 | 16768 Jacque Ann Nelson (DOB: 10/22/1960) ************************************************ Addresses: Bloomington, Monroe Cty., IN As of: 02/07/2001 Notes: From the Stidd/Sluss Family record and her father's obituary. +From Tommy Hays' notes. THD 114382 All the pieces fit together. First, marriage with Spouse/SO: --- | 16329 Jack Leroy Nelson (DOB: 07/07/1936) which makes the children have the family name Nelson. The second marriage with Spouse/SO: --- | 16332 James William Drew (DOB: 03/29/1935) *********************************************************** makes Janet Mae Nelson, nee Stidd, Janet Drew of Bloomington, retired owner of Happy Day Care Center. The details of that: http://www.slicesoftime.net/ourfamily/p97.html James William "Bill" Drew ************************** M, #I4836, Born: [private] Father:: James Franklin Drew, Born: 19 January 1916 Mother:: Grace Lorraine Small, Born: 29 January 1917, Died: 19 January 1995 Birth: 28 March 1935 Washington, Daviess County, Indiana Family: Marriage: 1 : Peggy Ann Ramage Married: 24 March 1954, Born: [private] Mary Beth Drew, Born: 23 May 1954, Died: 24 May 1954 William Franklin Drew, Born: 21 August 1957, Died: 30 April 1958 + Cheryl Ann Drew, Born: [private] James David Drew, Born: [private] Susan Elaine "Susie" Drew, Born: [private] Marriage: 2 : Janet Mae Stidd Married: 25 November 1970, Born: [private] ******************************************************* Last Updated: 05 March 2008 http://www.slicesoftime.net/ourfamily/p97.html#I4846 Janet Mae Stidd *************** F, #I4846, Born: [private] Father:: ? Mother:: ? Birth: 16 March 1938 Family: Marriage: 1 : James William "Bill" Drew Married: 25 November 1970, Born: ****************************************************************** [private] Last Updated: 14 May 2001 One more detail: http://www.lookupanyone.com/search-summary-out.php?ReportType=1&searchform=name Janet M Drew ************ View Details 70 Bloomington, IN (3) ************************************ Spencer, IN (1) Lutz, FL (1) James Drew J B Drew Jan Drew Bill J Drew "70" is her age, which matches with the other parts in the mosaic. You remember the memorial?: http://www.heraldtimesonline.com/stories/comments/cmt.php?sto_uri=L3N0b3JpZXMvMjAwOC8wNi8yNS9uZXdzLnFwLTkxNDQwMjYuc3Rv&start=24 Janet Drew Thursday, June 26, 2008: 6:23 pm More from 'Janet Drew' God Bless Leon. He is no longer in pain. My daughter Jacque Nelson brought Hinkles from him. ************************* I got to know him. He hadn't felt well for some time. Larrry (his son) and wife Joan took him to their home in Florida. So happy he was with them when he passed away. He will never be forgotten by any here in Bloomington who knew and loved him. ***************************************************** Rest in peace, Leon. Well, there is the counterpart: http://www.wyandotteenterprises.com/Genealogy/DescendantsOfAndrewRichardson.htm#16768 326 5 16768 Jacque Ann Nelson (DOB: 10/22/1960) { F } *********************************************** Father: --- | 16329 Jack Leroy Nelson (DOB: 07/07/1936) ******************************************************* Mother: 324 | 16328 Janet Mae Stidd (DOB: 03/16/1939) ***************************************************** Through all the years since the beginning of the logs of jdrew63929@aol.com (JDrew63929) Jan Drew pestered the net: jdrew63929@aol.com (JDrew63929)   Posting-Aktivität Jan. Feb. Mrz. Apr. Mai Jun. Jul. Aug. Sep. Okt. Nov. Dez. 1999 - - 191 99 54 223 289 260 203 359 297 192 2000 109 276 414 249 461 628 384 284 191 60 416 626 2001 534 152 572 297 677 430 715 621 281 278 392 599 2002 788 481 343 390 508 718 666 643 655 874 561 954 2003 621 866 932 646 629 746 539 593 595 500 521 569 2004 459 692 958 716 749 524 694 1045 784 1007 1151 977 2005 480 1143 206 - - - - 5  - - - 2  2006  3   7  10 157  6  13 21  3  21 43  5  24 2007 74 37 -  5  - 5   2   -  1  - - - 2008  9  - - - 21 - - - - - - - This is for "Jan Drew" http://groups.google.de/groups/profile?enc_user=5J_FIxcAAADGQdj7vwDkkkzclBLHYN6whUEdIBtH1-9oWMCTqaiMrA Posting-Aktivität Jan. Feb. Mrz. Apr. Mai Jun. Jul. Aug. Sep. Okt. Nov. Dez. - .... .... .... .... .... .... .... .... .... .... .... .... 2006 - 157 2293 1921 1837 2092 2273 1865 1797 2453 1600 1042 2007 475 357 406 523 561 490 370 287 326 435 798 552 2008 942 1346 892 1006 579 1076 742 877 451 555 383 424 2009 909 691 585 345 861 835 160 Jan Drew gives medical advice, which, if followed, can lead to the death of your children and of yourself. Jan Drew lies, Jan Drew forges, Jan Drew seeds hatred, Jan Drew makes MASSIVE advertising for the naturopathic mafia. And: Jan Drew abuses the name of god. TEN YEARS NOW. And Jan Drew, despite all kind or tough pleas NOT to stalk people, continues with here criminal behavior. I think that TEN YEARS really is enough time that has been given to her to stop. And now, there definitely is an end. Janet Mae Stidd, married to Mr. Drew on 25th, november, 1970, living in Bloomington, Indiana, do cease and desist your crimes! In the matter of Jan Drew abusing the name of god another detail shows up: the Seventh Day Adventist Church 301 E Matlock Rd Bloomington, IN (812) 332-5025 In its gone web-site they have some strong words concerning their being so very special: http://web.archive.org/web/20031223034424/bloomingtonsda.org/handbook.htm Home | Up | Feedback | Contents | Search ACA Handbook Excerpts Purpose Aims & Objectives Requirements for Admission PURPOSE In a state in which public schools offer excellent educational opportunities at public expense, a private school should have a special reason for its existence. Adventist Christian Academy , with the unique standards and *********************************************************** character of the Seventh-day Adventist Church , differs ******************************************************* sufficiently from the public school to justify its establishment. ***************************************************************** Christian principles, as practiced by Seventh-day Adventists, have first place in determining the policies of Adventist Christian Academy . The following quotation defines the Seventh-day Adventist concept of Christian education: “True education means more than the pursuit of a certain course of study. It means more than a preparation for the life that now is. It has to do with the whole being and with the whole period of existence possible to man. It is the harmonious development of the physical, the mental, and the spiritual powers. It prepares the student for the joy of service in this world, and for the higher joy of wider service in the world to come.” Education, p. 13. Seventh-day Adventists sincerely believe that Christ is coming literally to this earth to claim His own, but before He comes, the gospel is to be taken into all the world. “With such an army of workers as our youth, rightly trained, might furnish, how soon the message of a crucified, risen, and soon-coming Savior might be carried to the whole world.” Education, p. 271. Adventist Christian Academy begins the training of its youth in this high responsibility. Adventist Christian Academy offers grades K through 8 of formal education. Our school provides a state-approved curriculum and is supervised and accredited through the Education Department of the Indiana Conference of Seventh-Day Adventists. AIMS AND OBJECTIVES “And Jesus increased in wisdom¼” Skills and Knowledge -- To teach the value and necessity of the mental habits of application and concentration. To provide the acquisition of common skills and knowledge essential to scholastic progress. To engender a love of learning that will be carried throughout their life here in this world and into the world to come. “¼And Stature¼” Health and Recreation -- To promote the study and practice of the principles of health and temperance, in the belief that mental and spiritual vigor are in a great degree dependent upon physical health, strength and activity. To guide students in making good choices regarding recreation and leisure time. “¼And in favor with God¼” Relationship to God -- To instill a knowledge of God and love for Him and for Jesus Christ who came into the world to be its Redeemer. To establish belief and practice in the essential relational experience of faith and prayer. To develop respect and reverence for the Bible as the divine Word of God, including the Ten Commandments as the rule of guidance for a complete life. Character -- To present the ideals of true culture and encourage an appreciation of what is pure, true, noble, right and beautiful. To develop an inward fortitude against evil and a sense of personal responsibility in the application of spiritual, social, moral and physical laws that should govern individual conduct. “¼And with man.” Luke 2:52 Home and Family -- To awaken an appreciation of home, where love is the motivating power in the life of every member of the family. Citizenship -- To inspire love of country, loyalty to country, and respect for recognized authority. Service -- To establish in the minds and hearts of the students the Christian motive of service and concern for others as opposed to the incentive of selfish rivalry. To emphasize the value and dignity of labor in the development of character and in carrying out the responsibilities of life. REQUIREMENTS FOR ADMISSION Adventist Christian Academy admits students of any race, color, or ethnic origin, to all the rights, privileges, programs, and activities generally accorded or made available to students. In administration of its educational policies it does not discriminate on the basis of race, color, or ethnic origin. Adventist Christian Academy is operated especially for the youth of the Seventh-day Adventist faith. It is a privilege, not a right to attend A.C.A. However, as space permits, a student who is not a member of the Seventh-day Adventist church may be admitted. It is expected that all students will uphold the standards of Adventist Christian Academy and will cheerfully endeavor to live in harmony with the principles of the school. Parents who, after consultation with the teacher and the principal, find themselves in disagreement with the practices or policies of the school may be asked to withdraw their student. It is recommended that students not be entered in school before they reach the age of six years. Parents of each Kindergarten student must present the student’s birth certificate to the school by July 1st. Students may be required to undergo testing before acceptance or during the first month of the school year. If satisfactory achievement scores are on file at A.C.A., testing may be omitted. The school reserves the right, after testing an applicant and counseling with the parents, to change the grade placement to one more suitable for the student. The school may not be equipped or sufficiently staffed to offer continuous remedial help to students with special needs. Applicants for admission must submit a standard application blank, properly filled out, which will be presented to the A.C.A. 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Last modified: December 18, 2003 I do not know if Janet Mae Stidd, married Drew, is part of the "Seventh-day Adventist Church" of Bloomington, Indiana. But it seems that "the unique standards and ******************************************************* character of the Seventh-day Adventist Church , differs ******************************************************* sufficiently from the public school to justify its establishment. ***************************************************************** Perhaps the "Seventh-day Adventist Church" of Bloomington, Indiana, could have some influence on her. Unless she already may be asked to withdraw from school. You do know it: The bible is a book about war. It is full of blood shedding and cruelty. These are words by Jan Drew: Wow - Debbee is calling people "Miss Busy Body" - and stating it isn't our business to know *who" she is, *what" she does for a living, or *where* she lives. Yet, she sees fit to get into other people's business, calling their employers, etc. and giving fictious and defamatory information. What a piece of work you are Debbee! Jan Drew, THAT "piece of work", has no problem with calling employers, whith making complaints, etc,... 7. Janet Mae Drew, nee Stidd, ex-married Nelson, is a wimp: =========================================================== She erases her traces. ====================== Janet Mae Drew attacks others as being "wimps". But look at how she makes her traces disappear. Do try out the links in the following "Part V" of the FAQ about the notorious Net stalker Janet Mae Drew, nee Stidd. The web-pages with her personal data have vanished. Did she do it herself or was the family so embarrassed, that they decided not to know her? Her pastor does not know her, that is for sure... Looks like Janet Mae Drew/Stidd/Nelson spoiled the life of a huge part of the family. Neither here http://www.slicesoftime.net/ourfamily/index_D.html#Drew nor here http://www.slicesoftime.net/ourfamily/index_N.html#Nelson her husbands are seen. Not only Janet Mae Drew/Stidd/Nelson was excluded from the family, but also her 2 husbands and the children. That erasure must have made some really impressive foot marks on the behinds of a lot of people. ALL OF THEM are victims of Janet Mae Drew/Stidd/Nelson. One can choose his friends, but one cannot choose his family... This linked-in profile by her is gone: http://www.linkedin.com/pub/janet-drew/9/302/551 But Google kept an eye on it: This is Google's cache of http://www.linkedin.com/pub/janet-drew/9/302/551. It is a snapshot of the page as it appeared on 15 Feb 2010 03:13:06 GMT. The current page could have changed in the meantime. Learn more Text-only version These terms only appear in links pointing to this page: http www linkedin com pub janet drew 9 302 551 Janet Drew Owner, rtired Bloomington, Indiana Area Contact Janet Drew Add Janet Drew to your network Current Owner at rtired Industry Research Janet Drew’s Experience Owner rtired (Research industry) Currently holds this position View Full Profile Public profile powered by: Create a public profile: Sign In or Join Now View Janet Drew’s full profile: See who you and Janet Drew know in common Get introduced to Janet Drew Contact Janet Drew directly View Full Profile Name Search: Search for people you know from over 60 million professionals already on LinkedIn. (example: Janet Drew) Janet Mae Drew, nee Stidd, ex-married Nelson, erases her trace. Janet Mae Drew, nee Stidd, ex-married Nelson, is wimp. She is the shame of the family. They erased her branches in the family genealogy tree. The do know, why... Janet Mae Stidd, "Jan Drew", attacks other persons' families. She never gives pardon, she never apologizes, not even for the greatest lie or assault. She has no mercy, she lets children die - consequence of the false advice she gives. To follow her medical claims can lead to the death of your children and of yourself. 8. Larry Loeb about Janet Mae Drew ---------------------------------- Date: Sat, 12 Mar 2011 07:13:14 -0500 From: Larry Loeb Newsgroups: misc.health.alternative Subject: Re: Should oncologists be tried for murder when a patient dies? Message-ID: <4d7b6368@news.x-privat.org> http://bit.ly/gi4Fms Fact #1: Jan Drew (aka "Lady Lollipop") contributes nothing of value to this newsgroup. She is here only to disrupt, harass, and stalk. Fact #2: Jan Drew has never, and in fact cannot, participate in a normal discussion or debate in writing. This is because she cannot write, that is, express her own ideas in her own words. Her posts consist entirely of links to web pages, cut-and-pasted articles (often plagiarized without attribution), and short angry sentence scraps that do not comment on topic, but rather attack other posters. If anything in the sites she posts is challenged, of course, she will respond that those are not her words. Fact #3: Jan Drew keeps a library of personal attack material that she drags out when she is unable to define and defend her position on topic. The most vile of these is one she has borrowed from the arch witch of the internet, Illena, being a possibly fake court order which disbars a Mark Probert, and which Jan posts over and over again despite the lack of any evidence that the subject of the document is the same Mark Probert who posts here. Peter Moran she attacks by retelling the tragedy of Jesse Gelsing who died while participating in a genetic therapy experiment. Peter, of course had nothing to do with the research or with Jesse's death, but merely cautioned against drawing conclusions about the guilt of the experimenters based on news stories. For this he is castigated in capitol letters with exclamation marks and the conclusion Jan draws is that nothing he posts may be believed. Her favorite attack against me is a scrap of a quote, out of context, in which I stated "I don't care" in the midst of one of her more tedious "liar, liar" tirades. (See Fact #4) Fact #4: Jan Drew believes she is the official Lie Police in this newsgroup, and she diligently performs her policing duties by pronouncing every non-altie in the group a "proven liar." Of course she never provides any proof of any actual lies, although she loves to jump on semantical errors and declare them to be "lies." Sometimes the results are actually comical. For example, Jan has professed her self to be a Christian many times, and often quotes scripture. Yet when Aloha Rich stated that she claimed to be a "devout Christian," she denied having ever stated that and challenged Rich to defend his lie by producing an url to where she used the words "devout Christian." This has since put her in the position of having to deny that she IS a devout Christian. Usually her "proof" of a lie is a long string of cut-and-pasted scraps from previous posts that add up to no meaning whatsoever except in Jan's own deranged mind. She also uses a tactic of claiming that she has already produced "proof" of the lie, then refuses to produce evidence that this is true. Fact #5: Jan Drew suffers from the delusion that snipping comments from a post removes them from discussion and hides them from newsgroup readers. Surely she realizes that the reader only has to click one step up in the thread to see what she has snipped, but she still seems to get satisfaction from the snipping. Ironically she often hypocritially accuses others of"selective snipping." Fact #6: Jan Drew is a bigot. She has repeatedly posted slurs against Jews, Catholics, athiests, homosexuals, and people of color. In addition, she has invented her own bigoted epithet, "*organized medicine*" with which she slurs all those with whom she disagrees. Just as the word "nigger" is vague about just who is a "nigger" and who is not, "organized medicine" is vague about who is included. Jan refuses to define the term, although she has often repeated the lie that she HAS defined it "many times." Fact #7: Jan likes to play a name game that she learned from Illena. She thinks she is discovering sock puppets, i.e.: previous posters using a new identity. One of the most laughable of these is calling CathyB, an Austrailian housewife, mother, and editor of technical/science copy, "Rosalind" in the hilarious misconception that she is really Rosalind Rosedale, a British toxicologist who posted a few times to alt.support.breast-implants. She picked up the notion from, again, Illena, and has laughably stuck to it in the face of all kinds of evidence that it is absurd. Fact #8: Jan has stalked people outside of the newsgroup through e-mail and telephone calls. She has posted real addresses and telephone numbers in the group. Fact #9: Jan has posted pro-smoking propaganda in this newsgroup, and does not deny that she, herself, smokes cigarettes. Yet, despite this proven detriment to her health, chooses to blame her health problems on the amalgam restorations in her teeth. --Rich . ################################################################### FAQ about Jan Drew's advertizing for quackery ********************************************* Updated, March, 23rd., 2004 Hello, in this and other news-groups a person who calls himself Jan Drew, is massively advertizing quackery. Since 1999 this person dumps his paranoia into the net. Following the lies of Jan Drew can impose a serious threat to the health of you and your children. This FAQ is made as a warning, and to demonstrate which dangers arise from believing the many seemingly innocent and oh so charming and friendly people who claim : "I have done it. It works!" Do never forget, that you can and must (!) complain against health fraud. Take your part in the defense against abuse of children and ill people! The details about how you can do this in the USA you can find here : http://www.ariplex.com/ama/amacyber.htm Aribert Deckers ----- A. Foreword by Mr. Rich B. The medical hystery and naturopath mafia advertizing of "Jan Drew" C. Details 1. List of Web-Sites Jan Drew is advertizing for 2. Nicknames and persons involved in the Jan Drew scam 3. Cui bono ? Mercola disguises as "Jan Drew" 4. Jan Drew confesses his forgeries 5. A look at Jan Drew's list of lies with URLs (internet links) 6. Jan Drew works for Scientology 7. Jan Drew works for Hulda Clark 8. "$KaChing is Working!!" 9. "The Importance of Mass Name Calling" 10. Deadly fraud in the healthcare system 11. Jan Drew and the Attack on the WTC, Jan Drew's Antisemitism 12. Jan Drew's religious paranoia 13. The "Jew boy" case 14. Jan Drew, the stalker 15. Jan Drew insults, defames, libels... 16. Jan Drew Lied About Having Mercury Poisoning from Amalgams 17. The foul language of Jan Drew 18. Jan Drew's rhetorical warfare 19. Children die because of criminals like Jan Drew D. Jan Drew is a shame to the human race E. Why am I maintaining this FAQ ? ----- A. Foreword by Mr. Rich ####################### From: [Mr. Rich] Newsgroups: misc.health.alternative Subject: Newbie Alert :Tactics Of Jan Drew Message-ID: Date: Sun, 07 Mar 2004 04:28:15 GMT Jan Drew, the most prolific poster in this newsgroup has an agenda. Her agenda is to promote alternative medicine while demonizing conventional medicine. To Jan Drew the ends justify the means. This means that she will lie, deceive, manipulate, distort, bear false witness in order to achieve her objective. Jan Drew is completely unable to discuss any topic with anyone who disagrees with her. Her tactic is to try to discredit them by any means she can. She may do a Google search and discover that a poster is gay and then use that to discredit them. She may discover that a poster is of the Jewish faith and use that to discredit them. She may just brand someone with whom she disagrees as a member of organized medicine to discredit them. Jan Drew often gives the impression that she is either psychotic/delusional or has some cognitive dysfunction that results in her being very concrete in her thinking. She often appears not to understand figurative speech, analogies, etc. This is all an act. Jan Drew uses figurative speech and analogies. The reason that she appears not to understand them is because when someone uses analogies to demonstrate a point Jan DRew is unable to counter that point, so instead of remaining silent she simply makes a personal attack against the person falsely accusing them of diversion or changing the subject. Jan Drew gives the impression that she is delusional about having mercury poisoning by amalgams because she persists in this belief despite my having demonstrated quite clearly that her history indicates that psychologic factors were the key to understanding why her PN deteriorated and why it suddenly improved. I have little doubt that Jan DRew realizes that she never had mercury poisoning but this does not stop her shilling. Her claiming that she knows it was the mercury because she did not start to feel better until after the mercury level dropped is a clear indication that she understands the importance of the temporal relationship between her getting better and mercury level dropping. But Jan also clearly knows that she began to regain her health not only before her mercury level dropped but after it likely ROSE!!! Jan Drew is psychopathic liar. She repeatedly lies and bears false witness against others in her malicious attempt to promote alternoquacks. She says that I am stalking her which is a complete lie. She says I lied about her amalgam history which is complete lie. But Jan Drew keeps repeating these lies hoping that if she repeats them enough that people will believe them. She is evil and despicable. Jan DRew repeatedly makes new posts having absolutely nothing to do with alternative medicine but instead making attacks against conventional medicine. She has made countless posts focusing on the negative aspects of conventional medicine. Not ONCE has she made a NEW post talking about anything positive about conventional medicine. She is a propaganda machine. And she does not care if the attacks against conventional medicine are factual or not. IF they are negative about CM then Jan Drew uses them in her propaganda. Jan Drew says that the reason that she posts negative things about CM is because that is the reason why people are turning to AM. But the truth is that Jan Drew is trying to drive people away from CM and to AM by her lies. She specifically tells people to only go to alternative dentists. She discourages people from going on medication that only cover up the problem when she herself takes two medications that only cover up her problem. She is a complete hypocrite. Jan Drew also tries to intrude on people's personal lives in order to get them to stop posting here. She makes complaints to ISP's in an attempt to get her adversary's account closed. She post people's name, address and phone number, calls then an antisemitic slur and tells people not to do business with them. She posts the private information of physicians who post here again in an attempt to harass them. Jan collects posts that people have made from several years back to repost here, completely out of context and unrelated to the discussion simply to create diversion and to try to discredit the person. Watch how she does it again with me while pretending that she is not reading my post after lying about putting me in her kill file. Skeptics need to be aware that if they post under their real name that Jan Drew will do whatever she can to negatively intrude on their personal lives. She likely spends most of her waking hours searching on Google to find any dirt she can on the skeptics and she will then post it here to discredit them. Jan has repeatedly contacted my ISP accusing me of stalking her. But the real stalker is Jan Drew who is attempting to discover my true identity and address/phone number. Jan Drew is a very angry person and potentially dangerous. She will stop at nothing to prevent her critics from expressing their opinions here. Poster beware. Aloha, Rich PS: I absolutely GUARANTEE that Jan Drew will start a new post with my name/tactics. Just watch. But she won't directly address any of the issues here. And her many enablers will also just make personal attacks and not address the issues either. Just watch. It is all so predictable. PPS: If anyone is making a FAQ about JD feel free to use any of the above in it. ------------------------------------------------- ------------------------------------------------- The best defense to logic is ignorance B. The Medical Hystery of "Jan Drew" ##################################### Many information wars in the net are committed by people who claim to a) have suffered, b) then were saved, c) by the oh, so wonderful healer/doctor/medicament/treatment XYZ... Jan Drew is one of these information war criminals. The history of what has happened to him can be proven wrong. Mr Rich sums up the history of the hystery of Jan Drew's alledged illnesses and healings. Why is it so important to write about this ? It is important to show the innocent reader what powers and whose financial greed REALLY act in the "healer" scene, which methods of rhetorical warfare are used, and how they are used. In my homepage "Die Deutsche Amalgam-Page" http://www.ariplex.com/ama/ama_p0.htm (bilingual) I have a section dedicated to analyzing the tricks and strategies of the naturopath mafia : http://www.ariplex.com/ama/ama_rhet.htm (Sorry, no translation to English available.) Why is it so important to write about this ? Because it will save the lives of many people who would die or would suffer terribly for the rest of their lives if they or their parents were to fall for the lies of the naturopath mafia. This is what we need : Fortified Medicine!: http://www.ariplex.com/ama/ama_wehr.htm (Sorry, no translation to English available. Help by a translator would be appreciated.) AND: Do not forget, that you can and must (!) complain against health fraud. Take your part in the defense against abuse of children and ill people! The details about how you can do this in the USA you can find here : http://www.ariplex.com/ama/amacyber.htm Now the text by Mr. Rich : From: [Mr. Rich] Newsgroups: misc.health.alternative Subject: Re: Do you wish to compare Harm caused? Message-ID: <2a9o40hlo7jvbgp451uh3tc22fghdtppbv@4ax.com> References: <404b8888$0$305$61c65585@uq-127creek-reader-01.brisbane.pipenetworks.com.au> <20040308022648.29802.00001024@mb-m21.aol.com> Date: Mon, 08 Mar 2004 07:51:59 GMT On 08 Mar 2004 07:26:48 GMT, jdrew63929@aol.com (Jan) wrote: > >I was treated for mercury poisoning from amalgams and I am alive and well. That >is what is demonstrated here. Oh really. Well I will post Jan's history in her OWN WORDS and allow the readers to decide whether this pathologic liar had mercury poisoning from amalgams. Don't mind Jan. She is obsessed with the delusion that she almost died from mercury poisoning due to her amalgams even though her history suggests otherwise. Her history is as follows: (Note: Jan has accused me of lying about it but when repeatedly asked about what I lied about she remains silent). The facts according to Jan Drew: 1) She was diagnosed with peripheral neuropathy 2) She was put on Elavil and Neurontin which Jan reports significantly improved her symptoms 3) She was told by her MD that they did not know what caused her peripheral neuropathy 4) For a year Jan searched for a reason for her PN 5) She discovered a possible cause for her PN after reading a book by Hulda Clark author of A Cure For All Cancers (Hulda believes that ALL cancer is caused by a liver fluke and that she can cure all cancers by a combination of a "zapper" and a course of herbs/supplements and proper nutrition) 6) Jan became convinced after doing research that she indeed likely had mercury poisoning from the amalgams. 7) Jan noticed a rapid and progressive deterioration in her health that resulted in her believing that she was going to die. 8) On June 17, 1999 Jan had a quarter of her amalgams removed by Dr. Frank Jerome, author of Tooth Truth. Dr. Frank, dentist believes that mercury amalgams cause a wide variety of health problems and much of his practice involves removing amalgams and replacing them with composites, a procedure that Jan Drew underwent. >On June 17, 1999 Jan posted to usenet: > >>I have peripheral neuropathy, and have been searching for a cause for over a >>year. I have read Hulda Clark's books where she mentions the mercury problem. I >>am only 35 miles from the dentist who sh is speaking with in her book. Dr. >>Frank Jerome, who has written "Tooth Truth", a very enlightening book. I had my >>first appointment today and 1/4 of my mouth is now mercury free. I go back >>tomorrow to get another 1/4 done. Later, I will get my only root canal pulled. >>I truly beleive this is the cause of my problems. If you have a condition that >>the doctors can't find, it is wise to suspect the teeth. >> >>Thanks Again, >> >>Jan 9) On June 18, 1999 had more of her amalgams removed and reported on usenet ON THE VERY SAME DAY that she had the amalgams removed within HOURS of their removal that she felt better than she had in TWO YEARS!! >Here are her exact words posted on June 18th, 1999 to usenet > >>I have been reading this thread. I have peripheral neuropathy. I have found a >>dentist (alternative) who knows that mercury amalgams are very dangerous. They >>can cause all manner of things. He will remove them and put in composities. I >>have just had 3/4 of mine remover. The others will come out in a few weeks, >>along with the one root canal, which will be extracted. >>If an individual has read on this subject and is knowledgable, he will take >>care of you. >>He has written "Tooth Truth and tells it like it is. He tells how the ADA has >>covered up this problem. >>So, it is just a matter of finding the right dentist. He has people flying in >>from all over to get the work done. >>I believe the mercury is the cause of my problems. I hav felt better today that >>I have in the last 2 years, and am looking forward to getting the rest of the >>mercury out and the root canal pulled. >>Jan 10) When Jan was asked how she could feel better than she had in two years she said that it was because she felt relief that ALL the amalgams had been removed and that her bill was paid off. This was clearly a LIE since Jan still had some amalgams left and according to her would not have them out for another few weeks. Here are her exact words: >Rich for the LAST time, I said I felt better than I had in two years. That was >very true. I had been very very ill and my health was deteriorating fast. After >much reading and research I was convinced it was my teeth. I wasn't absolutely >positivity 100% sure, but it all fit together and I knew I had to do something. >It wasn't easy, what if it didn't work? That was very stressful. >Finally all the work was done, the metal was out, the bill was paid, I didn't >have to sit in the dentist chairs for hours with a rubber dam in my >mouth!!!!!!!!!! Of course I was very relieved. A big big burden was lifted. >That makes one FEEL BETTER. > >What's so hard to understand? 11) Jan posted on sci.med.dentisty that she knew that it was the amalgams that were causing her health problem because she began to regain her health AFTER her mercury began to drop. This is also a complete lie since she experience this improvement, better than she had felt in two years, within hours of having some of the amalgams removed and NOT when she had them all removed which she claims above. 12) Jan claims that I told some lies when I provided the above history. 13) Repeated attempts to ask Jan Drew what lies I told result in her refusing to answer and instead diverting the topic by personal insults and belittling. AFAIK the above is true and is based upon Jan Drew's own account of her history. Discussion (OPINION): The most likely explanation IMO for Jan Drew's improvement to the point where she felt better than she had in two years (which btw is VERY significant since she reports and rapid decline in health in the months prior to the removal of the amalgams) are psychologic factors. I believe that the deterioration in her health was largely due to her worrying and obsessing about her being poisoned by mercury due to buying into the idea that the amalgams were causing her health problems. I also believe that the improvement in her health was largely due to her relief that she finally was getting rid of what she believed was causing her problem. IOW I believe that Jan Drew is an excellent example of the power of placebo and that her history is consistent with psychologic factors affecting physical illness although I recommend competent health professional to evaluate her for a more definitive opinion. I have no doubt that her mercury level is declining. After all she had all her amalgams removed. The question is whether at the highest level was the mercury level causing any significant health problems for Jan Drew. Jan certainly believes that it was. Her history, IMO, strongly suggests otherwise. I predict that Jan will respond to this post in one of the following: 1)She will ignore it and put me in her kill file 2) She will snip most of what I say and accuse me of lying without specifically saying what I lied about 3) She will divert from the topic by accusing me of various things including but not limited to a)hiking in the nude b) using her parents to belittle her, c)being obsessed with her, d) calling me a Jew-boy, pervert or some other creative insult from Jan "it is NEVER right to belittle" Drew. Perhaps she will wish some disability on me. What she will NOT do is 1) Discuss the subject in a reasonable fashion 2) Point out any lies that she continues to accuse me of What she will likely end up doing is violating two of the Ten Commandments: 1) Thou shalt not lie (she does this when she accuses me of lying with respect to her history as I provided it WITH direct citations from Jan) 2) Thou shalt not bear false witness against thy neighbor (again doing this by accusing me of various things such as lying and/or stalking). And finally if you have unanswered health problems my suggestion is to NOT take the advice of Jan Drew. And if you are foolish enough to listen to her please don't say that I did not warn you. Aloha, Rich ------------------------------------------------- ------------------------------------------------- The best defense to logic is ignorance 1. List of Web-Sites Jan Drew is advertizing for ################################################ [naturopath mafia-based] http://www.800ga.com/parasites.htm http://home.vicnet.net.au/~mecfs/general/parasites.html http://www.all-natural.com/holistic.html http://www.yourhealthbase.com/alternative_medicine.html http://www.doctortalk.com/cancer_&_oxygen.php http://www.alternativemedicine.com/digest/issue22/i22-a12.shtml http://thinktwice.com/ploys.htm http://www.healingwithnutrition.com/cdisease/cardiovascular/vitce.html http://www.quackpotwatch.org/opinionpieces/chelation%20bill.htm http://abcnews.go.com/sections/living/Healthology/sept11HS_508939AlternativeCancerTreatments020910.html http://www.curezone.com/forums/f.asp?f=73 http://www.aznetnews.com/story.php?storyid=375 http://www.hospitalsantamonica.com/id45.htm http://www.holistic-dentistry.com/artamalgam.asp http://www.hugnet.com/protocol.html http://www.heart-disease-bypass-surgery.com/data/articles/63.htm http://www.mercola.com http://www.alkalizeforhealth.net [Scientology-based articles] http://www.enquirer.com/editions/2000/04/16/loc_drugging_our_kids.html http://www.antipsychiatry.org/drsmith1.htm (List will be updated) 2. Nicknames and persons involved in the Jan Drew scam ###################################################### Nicknames and names of persons who help Jan Drew in his scam, or perhaps are nothing but other masks of Mercola : "Dave" "Rod" "Teacher" "David" "ChuckMSRD" chuckmsrd@aol.com "Anth" "soft-eng" "mdd" "RB" "DEBBEE1023" "Gymmy Bob" This list will be updated. Note: ALL supporters of Jan Drew will be entered in this list ! Keep in mind these very true words : On Fri, 14 Nov 2003 23:10:32 GMT, Rich<,@.> wrote in misc.health.alternative : [...] There is one positive aspect of having Jan Drew post here though; if someone supports her then you can be sure that this person cannot be trusted either. Anyone who reads Jan Drew's bigoted, hateful and dishonest posts and supports her tells you much about their own integrity. And you can be reasonably certain that Jan Drew is reading all the posts of the people she claims that she has kill filed. The only reason that she kill files people is to give her plausible deniability in her failure to reconcile her contradictory statements that are frequently brought up to her. 3. Cui bono ? ############## A strong clue on who is responsible for the criminal deeds are the connections to those who cash in the money. Mercola and Klinghardt are known charlatans. Jan Drew advertizes for them. But Jan Drew does more than that ! A posting from Jan Drew into news:misc.health.alternative impressively demonstrates the background : Lines: 40 X-Admin: news@aol.com From: jdrew63929@aol.com (Jan) Newsgroups: misc.health.alternative Date: 29 Aug 2003 20:19:06 GMT References: <3f4f1c4c$0$46001$65c69314@mercury.nildram.net> Organization: AOL http://www.aol.com Subject: Re: The Greatest Lie Ever Told Message-ID: <20030829161906.24569.00000144@mb-m16.aol.com> Xref: news.freenet.de misc.health.alternative:313197 >Subject: Re: The Greatest Lie Ever Told >From: "Anth" anon@anon.com >Date: 8/29/2003 1:26 AM Pacific Standard Time >Message-id: <3f4f1c4c$0$46001$65c69314@mercury.nildram.net> > >She does? >Anth > >"Happy Oyster" wrote in message >> Jan Drew abuses the works of honorable scientists. Jan Drew mixes up >> true facts with naturopath nonsense and this way forces people to buy >> quackery. >> >> Jan Drew walks over bodies. Don't let them be yours! Well now, that fits right in with the greatest lie ever told. I posted a website. I mixed nothing, I abused nothing, I adsvertize nothing, I have never forced people to do anything. Happy is the liar, making all kinds of false statements When in fact it tells on the website, the many works of different researchers. Dr. Vimy holds the rank of Clinical Associate Professor, Department of Medicine, Faculty of Medicine at the University of Calgary Dr. Vimy is one of the top mercury researchers in the world and his comments to the ADA press release are most informative. You can review the article I published with Dr. Klinghardt earlier this year for further information on mercury detoxification. Jan The world is a dangerous place to live; not because of the people who are evil, but because of the people who don't do anything about it." Albert Einstein Jan Drew writes IN HIS OWN WORDS, with himself as the center person of the text : When in fact it tells on the website, the many works of different researchers. Dr. Vimy holds the rank of Clinical Associate Professor, Department of Medicine, Faculty of Medicine at the University of Calgary Dr. Vimy is one of the top mercury researchers in the world and his comments to the ADA press release are most informative. You can review the article I published with Dr. Klinghardt earlier this year for ************************************************************* +++ further information on mercury detoxification. ++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ Jan So Jan Drew published an article together with Klinghardt. Now, WHO IS "JAN DREW" !? A clue can be found by searching for news postings by Jan Drew containing the word "Klinghardt", dated "earlier this year". We find a posting dated "09 Feb 2003 00:29:57 GMT" : (Underlign marks made by me.) X-Admin: news@aol.com From: jdrew63929@aol.com (Jan) Newsgroups: misc.health.alternative Date: 09 Feb 2003 00:29:57 GMT References: Organization: AOL http://www.aol.com Subject: Re: Mercury Toxicity Message-ID: <20030208192957.25214.00000251@mb-cf.aol.com> http://www.mercola.com/article/mercury/mercury_elimination.htm Mercury Toxicity and Systemic Elimination Agents The following paper has been a long time in the making. I first wrote it nearly three years ago and it was initially rejected by the Lancet and the British Medical Journal but was published last month in the Journal of Nutritional and Environmental Medicine (March 2001). The end of the article has the bibliography which took quite awhile to compile and has 124 of the best literature documentation I could find on mercury detoxification. For a practical summary of the paper and exactly what one should do, please review my mercury detoxification protocol. Dr. Klinghardt is widely recognized as one of the most ************** knowledgeable physicians in mercury detoxification and it was a ******** privilege to be able to help him with this paper. ************************************************* Jan Drew (remember the "I" !) here completely copies an article --- written by Mercola TOGETHER with Klinghardt. This article is "on mercury detoxification". So we can strongly say that "Jan Drew" actually is Mercola. Mercola is writing masses of articles, and he pours out an enourmous mass of advertizing for his charlatan comrades, boosting his and their sales... 4. Jan Drew confesses his forgeries ################################### In the following posting Jan Drew confesses to have taken someone else's words and posted them in the net as his, Jan Drew's, own words : Path: news.freenet.de!newsfeed.freenet.de!easynews.net!newsfeed3.easynews.net!newsfeed.arcor-online.net!news.tele.dk!news.tele.dk!small.news.tele.dk!news-out.visi.com!petbe.visi.com!nntp1.roc.gblx.net!nntp.gblx.net!nntp.gblx.net!ngpeer.news.aol.com!audrey-m2.news.aol.com!not-for-mail Lines: 28 X-Admin: news@aol.com From: jdrew63929@aol.com (Jan) Newsgroups: misc.health.alternative Date: 18 Nov 2003 04:13:48 GMT References: Organization: AOL http://www.aol.com Subject: Re: Jan Drew is a forger Message-ID: <20031117231348.14148.00000498@mb-m15.aol.com> >From: Happy Oyster happy.oyster@ariplex.com >Date: 11/17/2003 4:17 PM Pacific Standard Time >Message-id: Happy is not playing with a full deck. As anyone can see this bit about me being Mercola is absurd. http://www.mercola.com/2001/jul/18/ada.htm DR. MERCOLA'S COMMENT: Dr. Vimy is one of the top mercury researchers in the world and his comments to the ADA press release are most informative. You can review the article I published with Dr. Klinghardt earlier this year for further information on mercury detoxification. Thanks to Jeff Green of Citizens for Health for sending this very interesting timeline regarding the dental use of mercury. Took 16 seconds to find it. I have posted it previously. Jan Rich is a cyberstalker and he has been stalking Jan for a long time. John Bain So, for all to see, Jan Drew confesses to have taken Mercola's words, and to have have posted them as his, Jan Drew's very own words. Do not forget the "I", by which Jan Drew makes these words HIS VERY OWN. One more example of forgery : Path: news.freenet.de!newsfeed.freenet.de!easynews.net!newsfeed3.easynews.net!news.space.net!news.m-online.net!news-FFM2.ecrc.net!nntp1.roc.gblx.net!nntp.gblx.net!nntp.gblx.net!ngpeer.news.aol.com!audrey-m2.news.aol.com!not-for-mail Lines: 24 X-Admin: news@aol.com From: jdrew63929@aol.com (Jan) Newsgroups: misc.health.alternative Date: 07 Mar 2004 05:31:27 GMT References: Organization: AOL http://www.aol.com Subject: Re: Newbie Alert :Tactics Of Trolls Message-ID: <20040307003127.20278.00001024@mb-m27.aol.com> >Subject: Re: Newbie Alert :Tactics Of Jan Drew >From: WB no_one@nowhere.net >Date: 3/6/2004 9:24 PM Pacific Standard Time >Message-id: > >On Sun, 07 Mar 2004 04:28:15 GMT, Rich.@. wrote: > >>Jan Drew, the most prolific poster in this newsgroup has an agenda. >>Her agenda is to promote alternative medicine while demonizing >>conventional medicine. > > >Dude, please report to her ISP when she spams. > > >-- >WB Peter Bowditch The Millenium Project http://www.ratbags.com/rsoles The Green Light http://www.ratbags.com/greenlight and The New Improved Quintessence of the Loon with added Vitamins and C-Q10 http://www.ratbags.com/loon To email me use my first name only at ratbags.com By adding those last lines (thge .sig of Peter Bowditch) she makes iut look as if Peter Bowditch had sent this posting. 5. A look at Jan Drew's list of lies with URLs (internet links) ############################################################### A great deal of Jan Drew's postings are lists of URLs (internet links to web-pages). Jan Drew selects those pages and only takes those which seed fear and hatred against scientific medicine. Jan Drew defames scientific medicine as "Evil Organized Medizine". In a posting of november 5th., 2003, Dr. Steve shows what such a list really contains : From: "Dr. Steve" Newsgroups: sci.med.dentistry References: <20031105192957.03647.00000284@mb-m05.aol.com> Subject: Re: 3rd Opinion - Root Canal Question Message-ID: Date: Thu, 06 Nov 2003 01:07:35 GMT . "Ja," wrote in message > >If jdrmmm,,,,29@aol.com (Jan) responds you may wish to consider the source. > > I wasn't going to respond, but now that this has been said, do consider the > source and see the source of each website. > > http://www.zip.com.au/~rgammal/RCTframeset.htm A site making money on people's fear of Hg poisoning. Just a dental office in Nepal. > http://www.ericdavisdental.com/root_canals.htm An Australian dentist with a really bad wig. Trying to make money on people's fear of Hg poisoning. > http://www.whale.to/d/root2.html A letter written to Dr. Huggins, with no proof it was ever mailed. The dental links on the home page lead to a Dr. Nara's web page. They sell books on th evils of Hg in dentistry. > http://www.drshankland.com/rootcanal.html Web page of Dr. Shankland who is selling books. He likes to quote Dr. Price's research from 1918 and ignore all the research since then. > http://webpages.charter.net/kyarbrough/rootcanals.htm An anedotal report by some lay-person who bought a book by Dr. Meinig and hopes you will buy one his books too. > http://www.dentistry-toothtruth.com/faq.htm A web site that just sells a book. > http://www.cfsn.com/maz/ An advertisement for Melisa Medica Foundation selling (guess what?) disguised as some unfortunate souls suffering personal story. > http://cnorman.best.vwh.net/blazing/dental.html Advertisement for the Blazing Tattles Newsletteer (they sell this) once again disquised as a story. > http://rheumatic.org/teeth.htm Another advertisement for Dr. Meining's book. > http://www.zip.com.au/~rgammal/root_therapies.htm Another link to the Nepal dental office. > http://zap.intergate.ca/root.html Dr, Meining again. > http://www.toothwisdom.net/ Link to a dental office with a legal disclaimer section two pages long > http://www.dentistryholistic.com/education.html A link to asome guy's dental office who has no idea of current dental thinking. > http://www.hugnet.com/Root_Canals.html Guess what? A site to sell books. > http://www.karlloren.com/ultrasound/p25.htm This guy is selling a special diet. > http://www.hallvtox.dircon.co.uk/hallvt.html Link to a dental office in the UK which sells,,,,,,,,,,,, did you guess? A BOOK!!!! Now I see why I prefer to filter ja. dre.. posts PLEASE, any lay people reading this, understand this lady/man/posting program refered to as ja. dre. and a bunch of numbers reminiscent of Disney's Stitch character,,,,,, lies,,,, and tries to get you to spoil your health and spend all your money on bogus treatment which NOT improve your health in any way. 6. Jan Drew works for Scientology ################################# This is one of the examples where you can see, how Jan Drew defends Scientology. Jan Drew CLAIMS to be interested in naturopathy, but actually Jan Drew is an advertizing agency. Jan Drew's behavior is typical for this breed... Example 1: X-Admin: news@aol.com From: jdrew63929@aol.com (Jan) Newsgroups: misc.health.alternative Date: 21 Sep 2003 00:40:47 GMT References: Organization: AOL http://www.aol.com Subject: Re: "Psychbusters" = CCHR = $cientology Cult FRONT Message-ID: <20030920204047.18243.00001203@mb-m06.aol.com> >Subject: "Psychbusters" = CCHR = $cientology Cult FRONT >From: Nomen Nescio nobody@dizum.com >Date: 9/20/2003 1:20 PM Pacific Standard Time >Message-id: > >$cientology member ZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZzzzzz zzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZ ZZZZZzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzZZZZZZZZZZZZ ZZZZZZZZzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzz zzzzZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZzz zzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzZZZZZZ ZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzz Example 2: X-Admin: news@aol.com From: jdrew63929@aol.com (Jan) Newsgroups: misc.health.alternative Date: 22 Sep 2003 02:51:58 GMT References: Organization: AOL http://www.aol.com Subject: Re: Scientology's advertising in these newsgroups Message-ID: <20030921225158.18243.00001304@mb-m06.aol.com> >Subject: Scientology's advertising in these newsgroups >From: frice@skeptictank.org (Fredric L. Rice) >Date: 9/21/2003 12:33 PM Pacific Standard Time >Message-id: > >You might have read a posting by some anonymous Scientologist ZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZzzzzzz zzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzz zzZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzz Example 3: X-Admin: news@aol.com From: jdrew63929@aol.com (Jan) Newsgroups: misc.health.alternative Date: 22 Sep 2003 02:53:00 GMT References: <3f6e3452.175598378@news.verizon.net> Organization: AOL http://www.aol.com Subject: Re: What is $cientology? - A posting by an ex-member to answer reports of recent Scientology postings Message-ID: <20030921225300.18243.00001305@mb-m06.aol.com> > What is $cientology? ZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZzzzzzzz zzzzzzzzzzzzzzzZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzZZZZZZZZZZZZ ZZZZZZZZZZZZZzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZzzzzzzzzzz zzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzZZZ ZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZ Example 4: From: jdrew63929@aol.com (Jan) Newsgroups: misc.health.alternative Date: 06 Oct 2003 05:29:16 GMT References: <17u1ovg8ll08tnc3ll0r55srp7g507sngu@4ax.com> Subject: Re: Committee On House Reform - ADHD Drugs Message-ID: <20031006012916.04714.00000519@mb-m17.aol.com> >Subject: Re: Committee On House Reform - ADHD Drugs >From: Peter Bowditch myfirstname@ratbags.com >Date: 10/5/2003 9:10 PM Pacific Standard Time >Message-id: <17u1ovg8ll08tnc3ll0r55srp7g507sngu@4ax.com> > >jdrew63929@aol.com (Jan) wrote: > >>TESTIMONY BY LISA MARIE PRESLEY INTERNATIONAL SPOKESPERSON >> FOR CHILDREN'S RIGHTS, FOR CITIZENS COMMISSION ON HUMAN RIGHTS >INTERNATIONAL > >A Scientologist appearing on behalf of a Scientology front group. Now >that's something you don't see every day. Umm, you are seeing ADHD hearings. Listen up, rather than the same ole same ole of the Scientology excuses. You are an intolerant fascist bigot. So far for the simple cases. And now look at this one !: (Underligns with "*" by me.) Lines: 59 X-Admin: news@aol.com From: jdrew63929@aol.com (Jan) Newsgroups: misc.health.alternative Date: 07 Jan 2004 03:33:20 GMT References: Organization: AOL http://www.aol.com Subject: Re: Citizens Commission on Human Rights wins award Message-ID: <20040106223320.22060.00001329@mb-m19.aol.com> >Subject: Re: Citizens Commission on Human Rights wins award >From: Peter Bowditch myfirstname@ratbags.com >Date: 1/6/2004 3:51 AM Pacific Standard Time >Message-id: > >ryubyss@yahoo.com (Ria) wrote: > >>> Just in case you think that Jan has been honestly snipping here, this >>> is what she is replying to. Obviously, Hubbard's ideas about Jesus are >>> something which Jan feels require no comment. >> >>Peter, if you bring in irrelevant issues like that then it just proves Jan's >point. > >Jan continually (almost continuously) brings up the matter of my >religious beliefs and suggests that I am directly instructed by Satan. Nope, only when you start saying hate filled ridiculous things, lke John delights in seeing kids die. >For some reason my religious beliefs matter to her, but those of >Hubbard do not. I promised to mention Hubbard's opinion about Jesus >whenever Jan uses Scientology to attack the use of psychiatric drugs. Complete hogwash. I could hardly use anything I know nothing about. ********************************************************************* I keep see Scientology used as a scrap goat in many discussions. I ********************************************************************* have no knowledge of what they believe and really don't care. ********************************************************************* >If what I believe matters and affects what I say about medicine It does indeed. > then she must accept that what Hubbard believes also informs his medical opinions. Nope, I don't accept things, I know nothing about and don't care to. For some reason Scientology keeps popping up in the discussions here, must be used as an excuse to accept organized medicine brainwashing. > Millions of children die each year from vaccine-preventable diseases, >>> but Jan calls it belittling when I try to stop this happening by >>> pointing out the lies of people who oppose vaccination. >> That would be a opinion. >>As opposed to this argument, where you use logic. Repeatedly. Must be a sad life to be so negative and have a desire to always be putting others down. Jan The crucial part : >For some reason my religious beliefs matter to her, but those of >Hubbard do not. I promised to mention Hubbard's opinion about Jesus >whenever Jan uses Scientology to attack the use of psychiatric drugs. Complete hogwash. I could hardly use anything I know nothing about. I keep see Scientology used as a scrap goat in many discussions. I have no knowledge of what they believe and really don't care. So Jan Drew does not care. But he defends. Defends with all his power. To defend against all proof. Is Jan Drew that crazy a psychpoath or is Jan Drew that crazy a pure criminal ? Either way, Jan Drew is a danger to anybody and must be kept off the internet. 7. Jan Drew works for Hulda Clark ################################# In a posting dated november, 16th, 2003, Jan Drew advertizes for Hulda Clark, a known criminal charlatan. The "zapper" does not kill bacteria. The claims by Jan Drew are outrageous lies. Lines: 47 X-Admin: news@aol.com From: jdrew63929@aol.com (Jan) Newsgroups: misc.health.alternative Date: 16 Nov 2003 07:00:50 GMT References: Organization: AOL http://www.aol.com Subject: Re: Zapper kills infectious bacteria Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Message-ID: <20031116020050.01432.00000254@mb-m20.aol.com> >Subject: Zapper kills infectious bacteria >From: "f®Èé RådicaL" ojw3@yahoo.com >Date: 11/15/2003 10:52 PM Pacific Standard Time >Message-id: > >Hi all. I'd like to report that I've used a zapper for a few years now and >it does seem to work on infectious bacteria, based on my experience. > >I originally built a zapper (I have a degree in electrical engineering) from >Radio Shack parts using the plans in Hulda Clark's book. I tried it for >awhile to kill intestinal parasites and then stopped using it. A few years >later I developed a high fever with a serious left ear infection to the >point where I could feel pressure on the ear drum. I decided to try the >zapper. I ran it for about 10 minutes holding the copper electrodes in my >hands. About an hour later, green pus started coming out of my left tear >duct. Obviously, the bacteria in the ear or tear duct were dying in great >numbers, creating the resultant pus which was forced out the tear duct. This >alarmed me (I didn't completely trust the zapper at that point) and ran to >the doctor for antibiotics, to be on the safe side. > >I have since used a zapper whenever I feel a fever or scratchy throat coming >on, or when a lot of people are getting sick at the office. Typically the >fever/scratchy throat is gone overnight after using it. It still takes some >time to get over the feeling of being sick, but at least the zapper keeps >the infection under control so I don't need to run to the doctor anymore for >antibiotics. For me the worst part of being sick is the fever, which the >zapper seems to break very quickly. > >Does anyone else (besides the usual anti-quackers) in this group have >anything of interest to report about using a zapper? I suggest the skeptics >build or buy one and try it on themselves before dismissing it outright. BTW >I don't have any financial interest in Hulda Clark or any zapper-related >products. Yes, my hubby built one, then later I bought one that clips on to free up your hands. It works for most any condition you feel coming on. It works for parasites just as she says, it also works on my doggy. I also have no financial interest, however I do know Hulda personally, as her son was in my daycare years ago. She may be wrong about some things, she is 100% correct about the teeth. She is a loving and caring very fine person. You may be attacked, ignore them. Jan Rich is a cyberstalker and he has been stalking Jan for a long time. John Bain And Jan Drew continues with libelling and defaming his critics. As I said above, the "zapper" does not kill bacteria. The claims by Jan Drew are outrageous lies. The FTC states in http://www.ftc.gov/os/2003/01/drclarkcmp.htm DEFENDANTS' VIOLATIONS OF THE FTC ACT 13. Section 5(a) of the FTC Act, 15 U.S.C. § 45(a), prohibits deceptive acts or practices in or affecting commerce. Section 12(a) of the FTC Act, 15 U.S.C. § 52(a), prohibits the dissemination of any false advertisement in or affecting commerce for the purpose of inducing, or which is likely to induce, the purchase of food, drugs, devices or cosmetics. As set forth below, defendants have engaged and are continuing to engage in such unlawful practices in connection with the marketing and sale of various products, including the Super-Zapper Deluxe, Syncrometer, the Dr. Clark's New 21 Day Program for Advanced Cancers, and the Complete Herbal Parasite Program, (also called the Herbal Parasite Cleanse). 14. Through their advertising and promotional materials, including, but not limited to, the representations set forth in Paragraph 12, above, and through the use of their Internet websites, "www.drclark.net" and "www.drclark.com" defendants have represented expressly or by implication that: a.  Use of the Super-Zapper Deluxe is effective to kill bacteria, viruses and parasites in the human body;   b.  Use of the Super-Zapper Deluxe is effective against chronic infections, cancer and Acquired Immunodeficiency Syndrome (AIDS);   c.  The Super-Zapper Deluxe and the Complete Herbal Parasite Program, are effective to cure all forms of cancer in humans;   d.  Dr. Clark's New 21 Day Program for Advanced Cancers is effective to cure all forms of cancer in humans;   e.  Dr. Clark's New 21 Day Program for Advanced Cancers has cured numerous people with advanced cases of cancer;   f.  The Syncrometer device is more accurate than the best testing methods at diagnosing all forms of disease;   g.  The Syncrometer device can detect the presence of any substance at specific points in the human body.   h.  The Super-Zapper Deluxe, used together with the Complete Herbal Parasite Program, is effective to cure AIDS;   i.  The Super-Zapper Deluxe, used together with the Complete Herbal Parasite Program and avoidance of pollutants, is effective to cure diabetes, multiple sclerosis, Alzheimer's, endometriosis, asthma and many other diseases.   j.  Dr. Clark's New 21 Day Program for Advanced Cancers and Super-Zapper Deluxe, when used by persons with cancer, make surgery and chemotherapy unnecessary. 15. Defendants did not possess and rely upon a reasonable basis that substantiated the representations set forth in Paragraph 14, above, at the time the representations were made. Therefore, the making of the representations set forth in Paragraph 14, above, is deceptive and constitutes false advertising for a food, drug or device, in violation of the FTC Act, 15 U.S.C. §§ 45(a), 52 and 55. CONSUMER INJURY 16. As a result of defendants' unlawful acts or practices, consumers throughout the United States have suffered and continue to suffer monetary loss and possible injuries to their health. Defendants also have been unjustly enriched as a result of their unlawful practices. Absent injunctive relief by this Court, the defendants are likely to continue to injure consumers, reap unjust enrichment and harm the public interest. THIS COURT'S POWER TO GRANT RELIEF 17. Section 13(b) of the FTC Act, 15 U.S.C. § 53(b), authorizes this Court to grant injunctive and other equitable relief, including consumer redress, disgorgement and restitution, to prevent and remedy any violations of any provision of law enforced by the Commission. The full text is too long to include it in this usenet posting. Here a detail, found in http://www.quackwatch.org/01QuackeryRelatedTopics/Cancer/clark.html : The FTC's case was supported by three lengthy affidavits that dissected and thoroughly debunked Hulda Clark's theories and treatments. Among other things: Aron Primack, M.D., a cancer specialist who is Associate Professor of Preventive Medicine and Biometrics at the Uniformed Services University of the Health Sciences in Bethesda, Maryland, stated that, Hulda Clark's books "do not provide competent and reliable evidence" to support her claims [19]. --> http://www.quackwatch.org/01QuackeryRelatedTopics/Cancer/clarkaff/primack.html Peter W. Pappas, Ph.D., a prominent parasitologist and Professor Emeritis at the Ohio State University, stated (a) although cancer and AIDS are found worldwide, the parasite Clark blames for them is limited to South East Asia; (b) "Clark's 'case histories' represent an egregious example of a highly biased experimental protocol, and her theories are based on bad science"; and (c) "She clearly does not have a basic understanding of the most fundamental parasitological principles." [20] --> http://www.quackwatch.org/01QuackeryRelatedTopics/Cancer/clarkaff/pappas.html Joseph Pizzorno, N.D., the nation's top naturopath, stated that, "No research is presented demonstrating that the Zapper has any physiological effects, let alone ability to kill parasites or cure cancer. The claim that mild electrical shocks to the skin can eliminate intestinal parasites is, frankly, preposterous." [21] --> http://www.quackwatch.org/01QuackeryRelatedTopics/Cancer/clarkaff/pizzorno.html As you can see, Hulda Clark is a criminal. The Hulda Clark sales company was sentenced because of the zapper stuff, the very same zapper stuff Jan Drew in his posting claims to work. So, for all clear to see : Jan Drew supports a criminal, AND Jan Drew even tells the very same ****************************************************************** lies the US Court has expressively forbidden. ********************************************* Here is one more piece of proof that Jan Drew EXPRESSIS VERBIS (!!!) advertizes for Hulda Clark products : Lines: 19 X-Admin: news@aol.com From: jdrew63929@aol.com (Jan) Newsgroups: misc.health.alternative Date: 28 Dec 2003 19:51:16 GMT References: <3fef1b84$0$46161$65c69314@mercury.nildram.net> Organization: AOL http://www.aol.com Subject: Re: Teeth - how do I make them whiter? Message-ID: <20031228145116.15319.00001622@mb-m12.aol.com> >Subject: Teeth - how do I make them whiter? >From: "Anth" anon@anon.com >Date: 12/27/2003 12:06 PM Central Standard Time >Message-id: <3fef1b84$0$46161$65c69314@mercury.nildram.net> > >Any ideas what I can use to whiten my teeth? >I thought of using bi-carb - but that is abrasive and it will thin the >enamel down. >There's also jell packs which I was thinking of trying but these are >expensive and cumbersome. >Thanks >Anth I use Oregano tooth powder and liquid Peroxy, (both products from Hulda Clark) works great. http://www.DrClarkStore.com Jan This FAQ was published several times. Jan Drew know it well. And, still, Jan Drew continues his criminal advertizing for Hulda Clark : Lines: 5 X-Admin: news@aol.com From: jdrew63929@aol.com (Jan) Newsgroups: misc.health.alternative Date: 02 Mar 2004 20:28:27 GMT References: <1b2a5a9f.0403021148.8b4425f@posting.google.com> Organization: AOL http://www.aol.com Subject: Re: anth and the flush Message-ID: <20040302152827.02894.00000760@mb-m15.aol.com> http://www.drclark.net/info/liver.htm I have done this several times, it works. Jan And, Jan Drew does not stop his aggressive lying : Lines: 32 X-Admin: news@aol.com From: jdrew63929@aol.com (Jan) Newsgroups: misc.health.alternative Date: 03 Mar 2004 04:50:51 GMT References: <404515ed$0$1162$65c69314@mercury.nildram.net> Organization: AOL http://www.aol.com Subject: Re: anth and the flush Message-ID: <20040302235051.02894.00000792@mb-m15.aol.com> >Subject: Re: anth and the flush >From: "Anth" sickofspam@sickofspam.com >Date: 3/2/2004 3:17 PM Pacific Standard Time >Message-id: <404515ed$0$1162$65c69314@mercury.nildram.net> > >Not sure about taking the Ornithine. >I'll have to skip that - I'm against pills unless they are really necessary. >Did you take the Ornithine? >Anth YES!!! It helps you sleep and Hulda states if you do not sleep well the cleanse won't be as successful. Jan >"Jan" wrote in message >news:20040302152827.02894.00000760@mb-m15.aol.com... >> http://www.drclark.net/info/liver.htm >> >> I have done this several times, it works. >> >> Jan What does Jan Drew claim ?: YES!!! It helps you sleep and Hulda states if you do not sleep well the cleanse won't be as successful. That is an unproven claim. A claim which is false. Making such claims is a criminal deed. Nontheless, Jan Drew, persists in writing in the net, that he does not advertize. But here again, you can see, how Jan Drew publishes false medical claims. Jan Drew is part of the naturopath mafia health fraud. Here you can read how to complain about health fraud : http://www.ariplex.com/ama/amacyber.htm 8. Rich Shewmaker: "$KaChing is Working!!" ########################################## In his posting Rich Shewmaker explains some of the backgounds of the "$KaChing"... From: "Rich Shewmaker" Newsgroups: misc.health.alternative Subject: $KaChing is Working!! Date: Wed, 1 Oct 2003 05:47:29 -1000 Message-ID: Quackwatch Ratbags July $100* $70 August 38 20 September 28 10 *donation capped -- actual "LIAR" count was 132 For the newcomers who don't know what $KaChing is, at the beginning of July, I proposed donating $1 to Quackwatch every time Jan called someone here a LIAR. Her nasty habit of shouting LIAR at everyone who disagrees with her was becoming annoying to me, and, since this is an unmoderated newsgroup where freedom of speech applies, the only way to change this behavior was to use behavior modification. There are no channels of positive reinforcement available, so punishment seemed the most effective approach. Jan has expressed her hatred of Dr. Barrett and his Quackwatch website repeatedly, thus my plan to apply a mild punishment for her behavior. The problem is that, unlike positive reinforcement that can be effective with a variable schedule, punishment must be consistently meted with every infraction. Thus, the one dollar sting. A few days later, I added a $5 sting donation to Ratbags for every time Jan brought up the tragic death of a child to accuse Peter B. of something or other, though I've never understood just how Jan's warped brain connected him with that case and assigned the guilt. Anyway, as the figures above show, the program seems to be effective. Jan even got through the September Ritalin wars without maxing out the Quackwatch donation. If $KaChing continues to be effective, I may add a $1 "insomnia fine" for every time Jan does her childish "ZZZZzzzz" response. See you next month, and thank you Mark Thorson and any others who are participating. 9. "The Importance of Mass Name Calling" ######################################## Jan Drew displays a fine moral. Allways nice, allways polite, always helpfull. Unless... the truth shows up. Persons who show the real backgrounds of Jan Drew, oh, they are REAL BAD. Jan Drew uses foul language, and says that some of his critics are connected with Satan. Here is a collection by which Jan Drew shows his real face...: Path: news.freenet.de!newsfeed.freenet.de!newsfeed.stueberl.de!in.100proofnews.com!in.100proofnews.com!cycny01.gnilink.net!cyclone1.gnilink.net!ngpeer.news.aol.com!audrey-m2.news.aol.com!not-for-mail Lines: 40 X-Admin: news@aol.com From: jdrew63929@aol.com (Jan) Newsgroups: misc.health.alternative Date: 10 Nov 2003 06:03:05 GMT Organization: AOL http://www.aol.com Subject: Re: The Importance of Mass Name Calling Message-ID: <20031110010305.12560.00000450@mb-m06.aol.com> Xref: news.freenet.de misc.health.alternative:325036 Rich Shewmaker who has no integrity, He doesn't give a damn if all the debunkers lie. Richard H Jacobson, proven liar, badgerer, stalker and sad human excuse of a human being. Andrew Kingoff who hides behing the fake name of IIsa. Likes to deconstruct others, has a fetish for steaming bags of feces, and pounding of sand up one's ass. Peter Bowditch who isn't man of his words and a proven liar. David Wright, grump of the year whose intent is to make others angry. DC Sessions who acts like a spoiled brat. Ted Nidiffer, who hides behing the name NanaWeedkiller, lackey for Barrett. Mark Thorson who repeats himself several times a day. Known liar who has to make retractions, another lackey for Barrett. Mark MD whose hobby is to annoy. [name of person, who is stalked by Jan Drew for years], all of the above. WB and Dickinson both trolls. Joel Eichen who needs his mercury level checked, acts like a chicken with it's head off. Aribert Deckers, no words to describe this loon. A sad sorry *dishonest* bunch. Who ALL have EGO problems, push drugs and overlook all needless deaths mistakes and FRAUD within organized medicine. That's a FACT, Jack. Now, keep in mind, that Jan Drew claims to have owned a child care center. Would you ever give a child to a person of such paranoid behavior...? 10. Deadly fraud in the healthcare system ######################################### Jan Drew, for his crime is abusing efforts of Shawn Korrami and other honest fighters against dental amalgam. Jan Drew is lying by mixing up true facts with snake-oil dealer lies. This is the way Jan Drew is disguising his real intention : to advertize quackery in large scale. Jan Drew is an unscrupulous liar and is misleading ill people into misery. Here is just one example of what can happen to one who believes "persons" like Jan Drew : Betroffene berichten "Leben" mit Amalgam-Vergiftung - und andere Dinge im Umgang mit Ärzten - 7 6.1.2002 * (A20106) Allzuleicht verlassen sich Kranke auf Behauptungen Anderer. Manche bezahlen diese Gutgläubigkeit mit dem Leben. Gerade noch mit dem Leben davongekommen, aber schwerkrank ist der arme Mann, der mir erlaubt hat, seine Bitte um Hilfe zu veröffentlichen. Falls jemand etwas weiß, das ihm helfen kann: BITTE MELDEN SIE SICH! Ill people too often believe in what others say. Many pay for this with their life. Having survived but severly ill, a poor man sent me this email and allowed me to publish his request for help. Aribert Deckers ************************************************************************** DMSA and the DMSA-Hg complex half-life, and the normal values. Date: Sun, 8 Jul 2001 Hi! I was looking for S. Emerson's old page - and found your mirror. If you know his present e-mail address please forward that message quoted below to him. I would also be grateful if you would reply to that letter as well. Thank you! (Name) ------- Forwarded message follows ------- Hi! I hope that you remeber my e-mail from October 1999. I am sorry for such a long silence, but the enormity of the disasters in my family in recent years is just incredible. I lost finaly my job due to the illness, and I got cerebral haemorhage on the 1st of June 2000 - for four weeks doctors were not sure if I survive, but I am still alive as you see. I got that cerebral haemorrage during taking of DMSA. Who knows maybe it was involved in it? I found on that page http://www.altcorp.com/hgtoxicity.htm an information that DMSA can cause thrombocystosis. I was taking DMSA produced by Fluka as a chemical reagent (>98% pure). Medical pills of DMSA were rather too expensive for me. I felt worse than usually when taking DMSA - is that normal reaction? I keep my urine samples (gathered when taking DMSA) frozen in photografic film plastic containers. I would like to measure Hg level in it, but they (a lab in Lodz, Poland) want to charge me for every container as for completely separated analysis, so I have to choose just a few samples (3 or maybe 5 samples) for analysis to reduce my expenses. They would measure it by AAS cold vapours technique. I don't know what is metabolism and half-life of DMSA and DMSA-Hg complex in our organisms, so I am not sure which samples to choose for analysis. Maybe you could help me? I am attaching a word file with a table indicating when and how much DMSA I took, and when urine samples were taken. On the last page in that file is also a copy of my CAT scan. Do you know what values of Hg are considered normal and what high in urine *when taking DMSA*? I would be grateful if you would provide me with that data. I am now on 1 year of temporary pension due to the cerebral heamorrahage, though I have been already not able to work earlier due to Hg vapours poisoning in the lab with severe CFIDS/ME like symptoms. This year also my grandmother had a stroke (we don't even know for sure whether that was a bleeding stroke or not, because doctors here stint on doing CAT scans or MRI for elderly people), and she became left side paralysed. My mother is also not well, having very strong headaches. We both being ill have to take care alone about my paralysed grandmother - it is very exhausting, and often we also cannot sleep at night because of her (she often doesn't sleep all night long talking often without much sense to herself - that's another result of the stroke). Doctors here are not helpful at all, they would rather want us all to die, so that we would not bother them again. And what are the conditions and treatment in our hospitals is a subject for yet another long horror story. We just live in hell on Earth. We would like to move out from here to another country, but that's not easy without any help from outside. I'll better finish here. Hope to hear from you soon. Best wishes [Name) ------ End of forwarded message ------- * hier geht's weiter ! [ Das Amalgam-Zentrum ] Copyright © 2000 - 2002 Aribert Deckers and Copyright © 2000 - 2002 Antares Real-Estate Jegliche Weiterverwendung der Texte der Amalgam-Page ist verboten. Verlage dürfen sich wegen der Nachdruckrechte per Email an mich wenden. Aribert Deckers People like Jan Drew are responsible for the fate of victims like this ill man. Jan Drew is a damned shame for the human race. 11. Jan Drew and the Attack on the WTC, ####################################### Jan Drew's Antisemitism ####################################### In a posting, dated november, 12th. 2003, Mr. Rich shows Jan Drew's antisemitism : From: Rich<,@.> Newsgroups: misc.health.alternative Subject: Jan Drew, lowest of lows (Was Re: A message to a sick son of a bitch.!) Message-ID: References: <20031111225707.14053.00000043@mb-m15.aol.com> Date: Wed, 12 Nov 2003 04:28:50 GMT On 12 Nov 2003 03:57:07 GMT, jdrew63929@aol.com (Jan) wrote: >Sadly, his enablers will be right along. > >It matters not to them how low one is, they defend each others, as in: Jan is one to talk about how low one can go defend her enablers. The following is an antisemitic rant made by one of Jan's enablers. Read the post and then read Jan's comment following it if you want to read the lowest of lows: Debbee1023 says: >>I am beginning to think there are dentists who are among those who are paid >>to >>talk against the anti-amalgam campaign, and I am beginning to wonder which >>ethnic group of people owns those dental supply businesses? I understand there >>is one large ethnic group that pushes their "people" into the medical field, >>and those that cannot stand the sight of blood end up as lobbyists, teachers, >>politicians, entertainers, etc., and that anyone that goes against "their thinking" is ridiculed. The problem being, I am beginning to think all of >>thismuch to do about nothing in the field of alternative medicine is all true about >>this particular heritage, and maybe a certain European leader was right long >time ago. > >>The "almighty" dollar is the most important material object in this culture's >>life. Not all of the people connected, are of that nature, but I'm beginning >>to understand why the attacks on the U.S. were planned on the cities that were >>chosen. >>It's not just alternative medicine that has been attempted to be >>hijacked...it >>all because of pure GREED, that has some of these people so possessed, >>that they feel they are OWED for something that happened years AGO. Instead >>of >>"getting over it", like most people do, that have been abused, they keep >>abusing others that are not of that culture, in an attempt to "even the >>score." > Jan the despicable antisemite agrees: >Yes, it does appear that way, along with the ole EGO thingie. > >Jan So there you have it. Jan Drew agrees with Hitler's plan to exterminate millions of Jews simply because of their religion. And Jan Drew calls herself a Christian. Lord have mercy. What would Jesus (a jew) have to say about Jan Drew endorsing someone who said that Hitler was right about the Jews. Jan may find out on judgment day. Aloha, Rich > ------------------------------------------------ ------------------------------------------------ The best defense to logic is ignorance. Here are some more pieces, collected by Mark Thorson : Message-ID: <402EE261.D2CEF893@sonic.net> From: Mark Thorson Newsgroups: sci.med.dentistry Subject: Jan's hatred for Jews Date: Sun, 15 Feb 2004 03:05:06 GMT Here is a short collection of Jan's comments about Jews in misc.health.alternative in postings she's made in the past year. I put line breaks between comments made in different postings, and in some cases removed line breaks when lines appeared together in the same posting. In some cases I inserted or removed line breaks to avoid line wrapping. I did not, however, change or remove parts of any sentences (as Jan often does, to change their meaning). These are all complete, original statements made by Jan. ------- begin collection of Jan's comments on Jews ------- Their are Jews here and there are atheists, (they are the ones who have told the group) with the exception of IIena, they have proven themselves to be liars, deceitful and insulters. Furthmore, I called Andrew Kingoff a Jew Boy when he posted the stupid blasphemy of the 10 commandments here on the ng. That's because most every atheist and jew here has INDEED lied. They know it, yet they cover for each other. The group here are mostly atheists and jews, (who falsely believe they are enlightened) and need to have an argument going, thinking they can boast their ego. They tell lies, twist what is said, and IMHO are lead by Satan. The truth is that most debunkers on MHA who LIE through their tetth, do nothing but belittle, and are filled with hate, are atheists or jews. I repeat: The debubnker's here are atheist or jews. No, they aren't right, they are greatly deceived as Eve was when Satan debunked God's word. That was the start of debunking. Then the jews Jesus's very own people tried to debunk his words, and even debunked his miracles whch happened right before their eyes. Yes Jesus was a jew, his own people rejected him. They debunked all his words and works, and now debunking and lies are second nature to them. That is how Satan works. Most of the debunkers are either atheists or Jews. It seems the Jews here have taken over this ng, with their vile false accusations and they are all filled with hate. It seems to me the Jews here are trying to get even for the holocaust. When noone here was in any way involved. And some more : Message-ID: <402EE267.AA17E28B@sonic.net> From: Mark Thorson Newsgroups: sci.med.dentistry Subject: Jan's other hatreds Date: Sun, 15 Feb 2004 03:05:11 GMT Here is a short collection of Jan's comments about Catholics, gays, and atheists in postings she's made in misc.health.alternative in the past year. I put line breaks between comments made in different postings, and in some cases removed line breaks when lines appeared together in the same posting. In some cases I inserted or removed line breaks to avoid line wrapping. I did not, however, change or remove parts of any sentences (as Jan often does, to change their meaning). These are all complete, original statements made by Jan. ------- Jan speaking about Catholics ------- Sadly praying to saints comes from Satan. He is so desperate he is even praying to St Jude (rather than God though his son Jesus) that something will happen to me so I can't post. ------- Jan speaking about atheists ------- Go away Mr MD condescending atheist. The reason you are an atheist is because Satan has convinced you. Their are Jews here and there are atheists, (they are the ones who have told the group) with the exception of IIena, they have proven themselves to be liars, deceitful and insulters. That's because most every atheist and jew here has INDEED lied. They know it, yet they cover for each other. The group here are mostly atheists and jews, (who falsely believe they are enlightened) and need to have an argument going, thinking they can boast their ego. They tell lies, twist what is said, and IMHO are lead by Satan. The truth is that most debunkers on MHA who LIE through their tetth, do nothing but belittle, and are filled with hate, are atheists or jews. I repeat: The debubnker's here are atheist or jews. ---- Jan using slurs against real or imagined gays ---- Rich is filled with hate and is a sicko, just like Andrew. Plus they both are very odd, and *queer*. In your queer mind. In fact NOTHING you said was true. Killfile them both is the only answer. They are both quite *queer*. They are here because they are both frustrated. Both are rather queer. Notice how none of the debunkers have anything to say about Andrew Kingoff's *queer* statements? Me thinks you are acting very queer. That's Andrew Kingoff, known liar, despicable hate filled *queer* person. Rich just doesn't notice Andrew Kingoff's lies or his professional manner. They are both rather queer. How sad. And STUPID. And QUEER. Making up queer stories Eric??????? And woo woo. And Queer. Here a posting by Jan Drew, dated Feb, 21st., 2004 : Lines: 95 X-Admin: news@aol.com From: jdrew63929@aol.com (Jan) Newsgroups: misc.health.alternative Date: 21 Feb 2004 02:32:42 GMT Organization: AOL http://www.aol.com Subject: Re: The Truth Causes Unrest To The Guilty Message-ID: <20040220213242.12315.00000073@mb-m02.aol.com> >Subject: Re: Jan's hatred for Jews >From: tobyjones@emailaccount.com (toby jones) >Date: 2/20/2004 5:12 PM Pacific Standard Time >Message-id: <1b2a5a9f.0402201712.4fff69d1@posting.google.com> > >healthyu@concentric.net (Michele) wrote in message >news:<866cef19.0402200714.6189051f@posting.google.com>... >> jdrew63929@aol.com (Jan) wrote in message >news:<20040219153549.08803.00000010@mb-m13.aol.com>... >> > >Subject: Re: Jan's hatred for Jews >> > >From: tobyjones@emailaccount.com (toby jones) >> > >Date: 2/19/2004 3:28 AM Pacific Standard Time > >> > >> We all know who posts the hate, here. >> > > >> > > >> > >"Yes Jesus was a jew, his own people rejected him. >> > >They debunked all his words and works, >> > >and now debunking and lies are second >> > >nature to them. That is how Satan works." >> > > >> > >"It seems to me the Jews here are trying to get even >> > >for the holocaust. When noone here was in any way >> > >involved." >> > > >> > >"IMHO they are led by Satan." >> > >> > Those are not words of hate. >> >> Jan has an interesting definition of "hate" -- she is claiming the >> statements she made above are okay. It is always OK to post the truth. >Yes Jesus was a jew, his own people rejected him. True >They debunked all his words and works, True >>and now debunking and lies are second >> > >nature to them. We have seen every single Jew here lie, but it isn't limited to them. >That is how Satan works." True >It seems to me the Jews here are trying to get even for the holocaust. They keep bringing it up, that is the basis for what I see. When noone here was in any way >involved." True >"IMHO they are led by Satan." He has deceived them into believing Jesus Christ wasn't God's son. > Those are not words of hate. That's correct. Some of them are my opinion which I stated, the rest are facts. >When the statement is made of any group of people that "lies are >second nature to them", the effect is to sow seeds of doubt, suspicion >and mistrust in the minds of others, towards that group. They did and do that all by themselves. Indeed they are not to be trusted. They lie and the rest swear to it. They make false claims and can't prove them when asked, because they make things up. >Even without insisting that it is "factual". I have stated what is my opinion, the rest are facts. >And even without attempting to provide an historical basis for that >"lying" trait, in something that happened 2000 years ago. Not the issue.. >And even without attempting to link that group in to, uh, 'Satan'. Wrong. Satan was the first liar, it progressed from there. All the liies told here that I caught have been proven with the poster's own words. Since you are new here,, you have no clue. Jan Jan Drew says : We have seen every single Jew here lie, but it isn't limited to them. And this is only one of thousands of cases where Jan Drew rages his erratic psyche into the internet... One more of these thousands of hate postings by Jan Drew : Lines: 145 X-Admin: news@aol.com From: jdrew63929@aol.com (Jan) Newsgroups: misc.health.alternative Date: 22 Feb 2004 01:42:34 GMT Organization: AOL http://www.aol.com Subject: Re: Pathetic Message-ID: <20040221204234.20451.00000208@mb-m28.aol.com> >Subject: Re: Jan's hatred for Jews >From: Orac orac@mac.com >Date: 2/21/2004 3:56 PM Pacific Standard Time >Message-id: > >In article , Rich.@. wrote: > >> On Sat, 21 Feb 2004 18:41:11 GMT, Orac wrote: > >> >So, the question remains, is there a significant strain of anti-Semitism >> >in the pro-alts who post here, or are they simply so completely suffused >> >with an "us against them" mentality that they cannot bring themselves to >> >speak ill of a fellow altie, no matter how reprehensible that altie's >> >statements are? I tend to think this is the alternative explanation. PATHETIC!!! Those who have had success with alternative medicine have been called everything. The current buzz expression is *anti-semtic* Coming from a mentally ill man who has had a pattern of abuse toward anyone who has used alternative medicine. That pattern is so sick, he nuked his posts, hoping poeple could not see it. However, they are in others' posts which he can't control and shows an exact pattern. He is so sick, he used ill and even dead parents to belittle. Now he has the gall to speak of reprehensive statements. Furthermore he hasn't said a word about Andrew Kingoff's despicable posts. Transference of his exact weakness couldn't be any clearer. >> >> Let us hear from those who remain silent. I would like to believe your >> alternative explanation but I wonder. And with each passing day >> without explanation it becomes more worrisome. Antisemitism is on the >> rise in the world today. Much of it is being fueled by the Israeli >> Palestinian conflict and the Iraqi war. It is critical to speak out >> against antisemitism and ALL bigotry so that we do not again have a >> return of the genocides of the past. Rich fears for his life, there are soooo many anti-semites here on this news group, it is a dangerous place to be!!!!! Talk about desperation. Run for your life!!!!!!!!!!! Pathetic Paranoia!!!!!! The truth is: Rich has run evey single person off this newsgroup by using these tactics except me. It is eating him up that he has failed and can not run me off. >I hope I'm not being too charitable in believing that the my explanation is the reason why the alties here won't take their less enlightened comrades to task when they start making bigoted and anti-Semitic >comments. You are so very very transparent, When are YOU going to take Andrew Kingoff to task for all his despicable posts? As in John sodomizing a nativity scene and fathering a sheep??! Or Richard H Jaconson's pattern of abusing any and all people who have used alternative medicine with success, EVEN to the point of using ill and EVEN dead parent to belittlle?!?! WHEN are you going to do that Orac?????? Perhaps it is because I like to look for the best in people until I see definitive evidence that I should not. WOW!!!!!!!!!! Do show us where you have looked for the best in alt. believing people. However, I agree that it is becoming increasingly difficult to maintain this positive view in the face of so much silence about the blatant anti-Semitism a few of the alties here voice and in the face of some rather rabid defenses of one of them. This blatant so called anti-semitism is a response of the *gang* who can NOT stand the truth. You are replying to Rich, and he is a pathetic liar. That has been shown aver and over. He even lies about his name. False claims run like water here, when asked to copy and paste, the come back is, *it was my impressiom* . The is NO copy and paste there is only opinion of how statements were read. To say the JewS rejected Christ, is NOT anti-semitism,,,IT IS THE TRUTH. To say Satan is the king of all liars, and leads those who practice lying is NOT anti-semitism,,,IT IS THE TRUTH. To say the Jew on this ng are liars, is NOT anti-semtisim, ,,,IT IS THE TRUTH AND HAS BEEN PROVEN WITH THEIR OWN WORDS. Example: Jan Drew says that it is not right for Jews to talk about the >> Holocaust > >No, that is NOT what I said. I said it is brought up over and over. >You said that Jews should go to some other newsgroup you antisemitic disgusting bigot. *Jews should go to some other newsgroup* Is NOT saying it is not right for Jews to talk about the holocaust. Further more what I said was: I suggest all the Jews here go to a Jewish newsgroup and discuss away. Then she blames Jews > of today as a group, for the crimes of some Jews from thousands of > years ago. > >That is also a lie. Rich made it up. He can not copy and paste the proof of his >claim. Bullshit you liar. Here is EXACTLY what you said (cut and pasted): >es Jesus was a jew, his own people rejected him. >They debunked all his words and works, >and now debunking and lies are second >nature to them. That is how Satan works. NOT ONE WORD OF BLAMING THE JEWS FOR ANY CRIMES OF THOUSANDS OF YEARS AGO. > >Most of the debunkers are either atheists or Jews. True. Not one word of blame crimes for thousands of years aso. >It seems the Jews here have taken over this ng, >with their vile false accusations and they are all filled >with hate. True. Nor one word of blame for crimes of thousands of years ago. This is yet ANOTHER example of the LYING here, and Rich's desperation and losing his temper, because the man is sick and has a control problem. Ye good ole boy and girl club is still alive. It iis very transparent and pathetic. Jan These are Jan Drew's exact words : To say the Jew on this ng are liars, is NOT anti-semtisim, ,,,IT IS THE TRUTH AND HAS BEEN PROVEN WITH THEIR OWN WORDS. Another collection. Sorry, if there are doubles... From: "Nana Weedkiller" Newsgroups: misc.health.alternative,sci.environment,alt.support.breast-implant Subject: Re: OT: Serious Question for Ilena Rosenthal... Message-ID: Date: Mon, 23 Feb 2004 22:51:58 GMT "Jan" wrote in message news:20040223173759.20223.00000246@mb-m04.aol.com... > >From: "[name of person, who is stalked by Jan Drew for years]-February 23, 2004" > > >OT: Serious Question for Ilena Rosenthal... > > OT. > > > > >"Andrew Langer" > > >People like Jan Drew > > > if they weren't > > > they weren't courageous > > >who would have > > >Jan Drew would not > > ZZzz So now, Jan dear, just between us girls; how many pieces of silver did you donate to the floundation to buy her defense of your anti-semitism and jew baiting? Here's a list of your words in case her memory betrays her. "There is an EXCELLENT example of one hate filled jew (on this ng)." "I suggest all the Jews here go to a Jewish newsgroup and discuss away. Start with Matt: 27 " "Their are Jews here and there are atheists, (they are the ones who have told the group) with the exception of IIena, they have proven themselves to be liars, deceitful and insulters." "Furthmore, I called Andrew Kingoff a Jew Boy when he posted the stupid blasphemy of the 10 commandments here on the ng." "That's because most every atheist and jew here has INDEED lied. They know it, yet they cover for each other." "The group here are mostly atheists and jews, (who falsely believe they are enlightened) and need to have an argument going, thinking they can boast their ego. They tell lies, twist what is said, and IMHO are lead by Satan." "The truth is that most debunkers on MHA who LIE through their tetth, do nothing but belittle, and are filled with hate, are atheists or jews." "I repeat: The debubnker's here are atheist or jews." "No, they aren't right, they are greatly deceived as Eve was when Satan debunked God's word. That was the start of debunking. Then the jews Jesus's very own people tried to debunk his words, and even debunked his miracles whch happened right before their eyes." "Yes Jesus was a jew, his own people rejected him. They debunked all his words and works, and now debunking and lies are second nature to them. That is how Satan works." "Most of the debunkers are either atheists or Jews." "It seems the Jews here have taken over this ng, with their vile false accusations and they are all filled with hate." "It seems to me the Jews here are trying to get even for the holocaust. When noone here was in any way involved." 12. Jan Drew's religious paranoia ################################# Jan Drew abuses the name of God. Jan Drew, who insults, lies, belittles, defames, this very Jan Drew claims to be a Christian ... and accuses others of being Satan's ... well, whatever... The following posting is a clear case of manifest paranoia : Path: news.freenet.de!newsfeed.freenet.de!feed.news.tiscali.de!feed2.news.rcn.net!rcn!border1.nntp.ash.giganews.com!nntp.giganews.com!ngpeer.news.aol.com!audrey-m1.news.aol.com!not-for-mail Lines: 63 X-Admin: news@aol.com From: jdrew63929@aol.com (Jan) Newsgroups: misc.health.alternative Date: 15 Mar 2004 21:03:05 GMT Organization: AOL http://www.aol.com Subject: Re: Poor Mark Thorson Message-ID: <20040315160305.06673.00001564@mb-m25.aol.com> Xref: news.freenet.de misc.health.alternative:344236 Still yacking, still angry with Jan because he lied and he knows it. He got caught up in sayng the original would prove he did not lie, except he can't post it. Wouldn't ya think he would be eager to prove he didn't lie.??? The lies keep adding up, so he tries to trash Jan. He failed as what he posted is the truth, which he falsely calls unhealthy obssession. Now for the truth. Are all the atheists here, who have been decived by Satan. Some choosing lifestyles that are condemned in the bible. It is pathetic and evil to not care one bit for suffering people, because of ego, and is certainly wthout a doubt led by Satan. This is all done in an effort to LEAVE the lies alone. And in fact is led by Satan. I truly believe it is the work of Satan. They know they are lying, and it is plain to see, It appears to me that Satan has hardened their hearts so much they don't even care. The bible speaks of the evils of the last days, from what I have witnessed here, organized medicine is one of the huge evils. More atheists know it all insulting attitude. Taught by Satan. The group here are mostly atheists and jews, (who falsely believe they are enlightened) and need to have an argument going, thinking they can boast their ego. They tell lies, twist what is said, and IMHO are lead by Satan. Satan has them fooled, just as he did EVE. I am sorry Eric, but your choice of likestyle is displeasing in God's sight, and is not how he created man. It is a product of Satan. Furthermore you can see what a number Satan has done on the cranky bitches, who brag about it, the bold faced liars and those who make up LIES, like you. It is noted you couldn't back up your false claim about what I said. The posters here whose sole purpose is to protect their EGO. And all love and concern is gone, replaced with hatred, belittling and making fun of others. No, I find it as it was from the beginning of time, when Satan debunked God's word. Yes Jesus was a jew, his own people rejected him. They debunked all his words and works, and now debunking and lies are second nature to them. That is how Satan works. 13. The "Jew boy" case ####################### Trying to find the original posting by Jan Drew with his attacks, calling someone "jew boy", I found 2 postings missing in my "Agent" archive file. Seems as if somebody cancelled them before I could download them with "Agent" in those days. I do not know, who is responsible for these postings being cancelled, but I think, that pieces of proof like these should be made public. So, I herewith to public show these 2 pieces of proof, as can be found with Google : Lines: 30 X-Admin: news@aol.com From: jdrew63929@aol.com (Jan) Newsgroups: misc.health.alternative Date: 02 May 2002 19:59:32 GMT References: <20020502140729.27680.00006101@mb-fs.aol.com> Organization: AOL http://www.aol.com Subject: Re: Doctor Syndromes Message-ID: <20020502155932.08640.00006955@mb-cp.aol.com> >Subject: Re: Doctor Syndromes >From: ilsa9w@aol.com5554 (Ilsa Nein) >Date: 5/2/02 11:07 AM Pacific Daylight Time >Message-id: <20020502140729.27680.00006101@mb-fs.aol.com> > >>If you have Fibromyalgia, then you have one of these Syndromes too! >> >> >>LAZY DOCTOR SYNDROME >> > > >Perhaps, Bubba, folks who believe they have one of these "syndromes" should >see >an alternative medical practitioner. Those so afflicted should consider >consulting their yellow pages for an Acupuncturist near them. Please stay clear of Southern Acupuncture Inc. I.L.S.A. 1403 Audubon Blvd. #1A Wilmington, NC 910-799-5777 Jan Lines: 54 X-Admin: news@aol.com From: jdrew63929@aol.com (Jan) Newsgroups: misc.health.alternative Date: 04 May 2002 04:35:36 GMT References: <20020503231752.05277.00006469@mb-co.aol.com> Organization: AOL http://www.aol.com Subject: Re: Doctor Syndromes Message-ID: <20020504003536.28298.00007240@mb-fe.aol.com> >Subject: Re: Doctor Syndromes >From: ilsa9w@aol.com5554 (Ilsa Nein) >Date: 5/3/02 8:17 PM Pacific Daylight Time >Message-id: <20020503231752.05277.00006469@mb-co.aol.com> > >>>Subject: Re: Doctor Syndromes >>>From: ilsa9w@aol.com5554 (Ilsa Nein) >>>Date: 5/2/02 11:07 AM Pacific Daylight Time >>>Message-id: <20020502140729.27680.00006101@mb-fs.aol.com> >>> >>>>If you have Fibromyalgia, then you have one of these Syndromes too! >>>> >>>> >>>>LAZY DOCTOR SYNDROME >>>> >>> >>> >>>Perhaps, Bubba, folks who believe they have one of these "syndromes" should >>>see >>>an alternative medical practitioner. Those so afflicted should consider >>>consulting their yellow pages for an Acupuncturist near them. >> >>Please stay clear of >> >>Southern Acupuncture Inc. >> >> I.L.S.A. >> >>1403 Audubon Blvd. #1A >> >>Wilmington, NC >> >>910-799-5777 >> >>Jan >> > >Jan, quit shilling, it is against the MHA 10 Commandments. Little do you know anything about the *10 Commandments* Jew Boy. Please stay clear of Southern Acupuncture Inc. I.L.S.A. 1403 Audubon Blvd. #1A Wilmington, NC 910-799-5777 14. Jan Drew, the stalker ######################### The work of Jan Drew consists of several parts : - to seed hatred against scientific medicine - to make people believe that naturopath stuff works - to make people believe that they should jump on the alledged band-waggon of naturopathy - seed fear - to advertizing in large scale for naturopath web-sites But, as there are critics, Jan Drew is faced with critic. How does Jan Drew deal with critic ? Does Jan Drew bring real facts ? No. Of course not. Why not ? Because what Jan Drew advertizes for is bogus stuff, like the "Hulda Clark Zapper" (see in this FAQ). So, Jan Drew uses several rhetorical tricks, like : - Jan Drew does not answer. - Jan Drew dumps tons of rubbish into the usenet to drown people. - Jan Drew asks questions which are not part of the discussion. - Jan Drew claims to have people killfiled, so that he could not have seen their critic. Mr. [name of person, who is stalked by Jan Drew for years] has blown that foul defence to pieces by using new names and email addresses every other day. - Jan Drew insults. - Jan Drew lies. - Jan Drew brings up personal affairs of critics. Like he criticises that "Rich has never mentioned having a real job or family" the last point is one of many which can be seen in the following posting by Jan Drew : On 27 Dec 2003 01:36:27 GMT, jdrew63929@aol.com (Jan) wrote: Lines: 77 X-Admin: news@aol.com From: jdrew63929@aol.com (Jan) Newsgroups: misc.health.alternative Date: 27 Dec 2003 01:36:27 GMT Organization: AOL http://www.aol.com Subject: Why Is Richard H Jacobson Obsessed wth Jan? Message-ID: <20031226203627.14167.00001857@mb-m28.aol.com> Xref: news.freenet.de misc.health.alternative:331954 I thought I would begin a discussion about the dynamics of Rich's obsession with Jan. It is pretty obvious that he wants to demonize Jan as he obsessively posts his diagnosis of her, which is nothing new as he has a long pattern of the same with others. Of course any efforts to discuss whether Jan had Mercury Poisoning and Peripheral Neuropathy will be met with personal insults. Funny how Rich believes Jan has PN but not MP. So instead of trying to discuss this issue with Richard H Jacobson I thought I would share my thoughts about the dynamics behind his obsession. Wonder why he lies about his name? Wonder why he could never answer Bubba's questions? Wonder why Ka&g ended up in his killfile. (for those who don't know, she had a nack of putting him in his place and he can't stand that) Rich has never mentioned having a real job or family, it is known he leads nukie hikes and by his own admission he watches others do what comes naturally. Perhaps he has sexual problems, that might explain his obsessive hatred. He must be jealous of other people's happy families and sexual fullfillment as he must settle for just watching. I caution people not to trust the perceptions of Richard H Jacobson He has a big axe to grind with anyone who has used alternative medicine with success. He badgers them, asked for their medical records and states any success is placebo. He calls thems liars, while he lies. He is so ate up with his obsession, he will make comments using ill and even dead parents to belittle the person. Other times he belittle them by using their husband. I speculate that Richard H Jacobson has had many problems dealing with close relationships and fear something in his childhood has left it's mark on him. Therefore, he transferees his every weakness to others. and has an insane drive to put others down, perhaps to build himself up because of low self esteem, The reason he had these problems is because of the nature of his psychopathology. However his narcissism will not permit him to even consider that he may have had some role in his dysfunctional family as a child. So he blames others for many of the problems that he can not bring himself to deal with. He talks out of both sides of his mouth, showing his problems as he transferees them to others. So now in an effort to make his life in bearable, he constantly is diagnosing others while saying one should not diagnose over the net. Perhaps he flunked out of med school also?? His personality is so damaged he can't get along with others, so he has to settle for leading nudie hikes. His seems to be incapable of accepting personal responsibility for the failures, and incapabe of KNOWING WHEN TO SHUT UP. Wonder why he nuked his posts?? Wonder why he stated MHA was a discussion group, but HE prefered to talk about whether Jan had mercury poisoning. Why is that so important to him? Why is he still yacking about it three years later?? Is he looking for approval *here* because it is lacking in his life?? Wonder why he is so obsessed, he prays to Saint Jude that something will happen to Jan that will cause her to stop posting. Hmm, must be because he has FAILED at running her off, like he did so many. Jan PS: Ducking while awaiting Rich's gratuitous bashing of me by posting out of context statements from years ago that have absolutely nothing to do with anything other than Richard H Jacobson's narcissistic rage. ------------------------------------------------ ------------------------------------------------ . Well, I did not take anything of Jan Drew's posting out of context. I show you the full posting as it can be found in the net. As it was written by Jan Drew. Be carefull dealing with Jan Drew. One of his tricks is to insult until the victim fights back by insulting. THESE insults Jan Drew then will point to, and claim that the victim is the REAL oppressor and attacker. You know what ?: That is a $cientology trick. As you can see in this FAQ, Jan Drew defends $cientology. Now count 1 + 1 together... Jan Drew advertizes for quackery which is sold by $cientologists. Now count 1 + 1 together... 15. Jan Drew insults, defames, libels... ######################################## These are only some few examples of MANY, MANY, MANY postings where Jan Drew insults other participants in the news-groups : Path: news.freenet.de!newsfeed.freenet.de!news.shlink.de!news2.telebyte.nl!news.glorb.com!nx02.iad01.newshosting.com!newshosting.com!border1.nntp.ash.giganews.com!nntp.giganews.com!ngpeer.news.aol.com!audrey-m1.news.aol.com!not-for-mail Lines: 14 X-Admin: news@aol.com From: jdrew63929@aol.com (Jan) Newsgroups: misc.health.alternative Date: 21 Feb 2004 04:57:03 GMT References: <4036d115$0$61958$65c69314@mercury.nildram.net> Organization: AOL http://www.aol.com Subject: Re: chlorella seems like it's GOOD STUFF! Message-ID: <20040220235703.12315.00000081@mb-m02.aol.com> Xref: news.freenet.de misc.health.alternative:338832 >Subject: Re: chlorella seems like it's GOOD STUFF! >From: "Anth" sickofspam@sickofspam.com >Date: 2/20/2004 7:31 PM Pacific Standard Time >Message-id: <4036d115$0$61958$65c69314@mercury.nildram.net> > >You are walking lie >http://www.medford.co.za/articles/Amalgam%20Mercury%20detox.doc >Anth > >"Happy Oyster" wrote in Thanks Anth. Happy has a screw loose. Jan 16. Jan Drew Lied About Having Mercury Poisoning from Amalgams ############################################################## Are Jan Drew's claims true ? Here is a differing opinion. (I mounted the quotes with the original FULL texts included. Please note, that, by mounting the texts, the quotation marks differ.) From: Rich<,@.> Newsgroups: misc.health.alternative Subject: Jan Drew Lied About Having Mercury Poisoning from Amalgams Message-ID: Date: Sat, 15 Nov 2003 18:43:19 GMT As regular readers of this newsgroup know, there is a poster Jan Drew who obsessively posts about how she nearly died of mercury poisoning secondary to amalgams. She claims that the removal of several amalgams saved her life. But Jan lied several times regarding her amalgam history in order to deceive others that she really had mercury poisoning when what she actually had was a deterioration in her preexisting illness (peripheral neuropathy) secondary to psychologic factors (worrying obsessively about having mercury poisoning due to reading about it in Hulda Clark book). She also had a dramatic improvement due to psychologic factors (relief that the removal of amalgams eliminated the mercury poisoning). Now Jan drew ADMITTED in HER OWN WORDS that the reason she went from thinking that she was dying of mercury poisoning one day and feeling better than she had the next day within hours of having some amalgams removed was completely due to relief. Now I will allow Jan Drew to tell you her in own words that her improvement was due to relief: Here are her exact words posted on June 18th, 1999 to usenet [QUOTE, mounted] >>I have been reading this thread. I have peripheral neuropathy. I have found a >>dentist (alternative) who knows that mercury amalgams are very dangerous. They >>can cause all manner of things. He will remove them and put in composities. I >>have just had 3/4 of mine remover. The others will come out in a few weeks, >>along with the one root canal, which will be extracted. > >>If an individual has read on this subject and is knowledgable, he will take >>care of you. > >>He has written "Tooth Truth and tells it like it is. He tells how the ADA has >>covered up this problem. > >>So, it is just a matter of finding the right dentist. He has people flying in >>from all over to get the work done. > >>I believe the mercury is the cause of my problems. I hav felt better today that >>I have in the last 2 years, and am looking forward to getting the rest of the >>mercury out and the root canal pulled. > >>Jan http://www.google.de/groups?selm=19990618194417.11038.00000497%40ng-fm1.aol.com&output=gplain From: jdrew63929@aol.com (JDrew63929) Subject: Re: Any comments on this explanation for allergy? (yes, of course :) Date: 1999/06/18 Message-ID: <19990618194417.11038.00000497@ng-fm1.aol.com>#1/1 References: Organization: AOL http://www.aol.com Newsgroups: alt.health.dental-amalgam X-Admin: news@aol.com >Hi Zugumba, > >You wrote: >>Actually, Joel is perfectly correct as far as things go in the US. > >You think he never sent a patient with a cold home to avoid catching it? > >>dentist can lose his license for treating a systemic illness > >What is really a systemic illness. Is that a disease that hits all systems >in the body or ' just ' a local condition with systemic (general) symptoms? >Or even one, or a few, distant symptoms? What is it really? > >In most cases it is the latter. And as dentists, even in the States, we >cannot avoid affecting the body conditons when treating mouth conditions. >The mouth IS a part of the body. And in many cases also the body's mirror. > >>If Joel determined that a patient was suffering from a migraine and not a >>dental abscess, his job stops there. He then is obligated to refer the >>patient to a neurologist. > >Okay, Let's say it is rather diffuse oro-facial pain. What would you do? > >>Similarly, removing amalgam restorations to treat a systemic illness >>(like multiple sclerosis) is considering treating an illness out of the >>scope of dental practice. > >What you really are talking about is indications. Id est; for what purpose >the dental treatment is performed. Sofar teeth are treated for the reason >of teeth, yes. One day (and it is emerging) dentists will learn that what >they do to one part of the body may effect other parts. I am not saying >that dental amalgam is the sole cause of MS. There are far closer relations >between classical systemic diseases and dental treatment, for exaple; >an aggrevated heart condition due to dental treatment, increased arterio- >sclerotic plaque formation, etc (not to mention all the iatrogenous TMJ:s) > >>After a certain point the patient has to be turned over to the correct >>medical practitioners to finish the job or to follow-up. > >That's a pretty obvious statement. Anyone would agree with that. And >it doesn't disprove what I wrote. > >>True, the line can be fuzzy, but most of the time it is pretty >>clear what range of ailments a dentist in the US can treat > >Submandibular lymphatic adenitis? May a dentist treat that - or not? In US? > >Hans I have been reading this thread. I have peripheral neuropathy. I have found a dentist (alternative) who knows that mercury amalgams are very dangerous. They can cause all manner of things. He will remove them and put in composities. I have just had 3/4 of mine remover. The others will come out in a few weeks, along with the one root canal, which will be extracted. If an individual has read on this subject and is knowledgable, he will take care of you. He has written "Tooth Truth and tells it like it is. He tells how the ADA has covered up this problem. So, it is just a matter of finding the right dentist. He has people flying in from all over to get the work done. I believe the mercury is the cause of my problems. I hav felt better today that I have in the last 2 years, and am looking forward to getting the rest of the mercury out and the root canal pulled. Jan [/QUOTE] And now the admission that this improvement was due to relief: Here are her exact words: [QUOTE, mounted] >Rich for the LAST time, I said I felt better than I had in two years. That was >very true. I had been very very ill and my health was deteriorating fast. After >much reading and research I was convinced it was my teeth. I wasn't absolutely >positivity 100% sure, but it all fit together and I knew I had to do something. >It wasn't easy, what if it didn't work? That was very stressful. >Finally all the work was done, the metal was out, the bill was paid, I didn't >have to sit in the dentist chairs for hours with a rubber dam in my >mouth!!!!!!!!!! Of course I was very relieved. A big big burden was lifted. >That makes one FEEL BETTER. > >What's so hard to understand? http://www.google.de/groups?selm=20001229232415.00774.00003862%40ng-mm1.aol.com&output=gplain Lines: 35 X-Admin: news@aol.com From: jdrew63929@aol.com (JDrew63929) Newsgroups: misc.health.alternative Date: 30 Dec 2000 04:24:15 GMT References: Organization: AOL http://www.aol.com Subject: Re: This skeptic's view of alt/comp Message-ID: <20001229232415.00774.00003862@ng-mm1.aol.com> >From: Rich {.} >Date: 12/29/00 10:28 PM Eastern Standard Time >Message-id: > Rich for the LAST time, I said I felt better than I had in two years. That was very true. I had been very very ill and my health was deteriorating fast. After much reading and research I was convinced it was my teeth. I wasn't absolutely positivity 100% sure, but it all fit together and I knew I had to do something. It wasn't easy, what if it didn't work? That was very stressful. Finally all the work was done, the metal was out, the bill was paid, I didn't have to sit in the dentist chairs for hours with a rubber dam in my mouth!!!!!!!!!! Of course I was very relieved. A big big burden was lifted. That makes one FEEL BETTER. What's so hard to understand? I also reported I had only begun, now on to chelating the mercury from my body. With mercury poisoning, it comes and goes, I had some pretty bad spells. I'm still chelating Rich and will be for some time. I slowly am regaining my health and my PN is much better. I don't have the painful periods that I once had, and yes it was after I started taking medication. You added a few words to what I said which *implied* that I was physicially free from pain..........as in BANG I'm home free. That is NOT what I meant.............and you know it. Now do you better understand? I hope so because I feel no need to explain it AGAIN. Please respect that I didn't have to explain AGAIN this time. Jan [/QUOTE] All the work was done??? A lie. The work was not completed until weeks later. Jan Drew even posted that her dental work was not done until July 11, 1999. And now for more lies. Jan Drew told two egregious lies that were told solely to deceive people into thinking that she really had mercury poisoning. The first is on June 26 ,1999 just a week after she had eight amalgams removed. She claimed that ALL her feet pain went away and she was able to go out line dancing because she was no longer getting a daily dose of mercury. This is a complete lie and Jan knew it. On June 26, 1999 Jan still had more amalgams to be removed and they would not be removed until July 11, 1999 by Jan's own admission. You see Jan has difficulty keeping her lies straight. But let us have Jan Drew tell us in her own words: [QUOTE, mounted] >On 26 Jun 1999, JDrew63929 wrote: >> >AF says >> >*** More childish nonsense from poor, sick old Jan. >> >> >> Well, Jan is doing fine, even went line dancing tonight! Guess that tells you >> something about my feet.. >> > > > > >This simply proves that your "neuralgia" is significantly the product of a >somatization disorder. Mercury accumulates in the body, and there is no >way having your fillings removed a week or two back could have instantly >eliminated all mercury toxicity effects. It would take months or even >years for the benefits to occur, if the problem really was mercury >toxicity. So if pulling your fillings instantly cured your feet, we have >a very solid case here that your "neuralgia" was psychosomatic. >>You are way off base here. I didn't say I was instantly cured. The detoxing >>that I have done is a major factor in my recovery. Yes, I will continue to do >>it for quite some time to remove the mercury from my body. I am feeling much >>better, because I am not receiving a new dose of mercury each day. The >>elimination of 8 mercury amalgams has made a difference. Nothing psychosomatic >>about it. http://www.google.de/groups?selm=19990626122727.19238.00001294%40ng-fl1.aol.com&output=gplain From: jdrew63929@aol.com (JDrew63929) Subject: Re: Chronic constipation Date: 1999/06/26 Message-ID: <19990626122727.19238.00001294@ng-fl1.aol.com>#1/1 References: Organization: AOL http://www.aol.com Newsgroups: misc.health.alternative X-Admin: news@aol.com >On 26 Jun 1999, JDrew63929 wrote: >> > >> >*** More childish nonsense from poor, sick old Jan. >> >> >> Well, Jan is doing fine, even went line dancing tonight! Guess that tells you >> something about my feet.. >> > > > > >This simply proves that your "neuralgia" is significantly the product of a >somatization disorder. Mercury accumulates in the body, and there is no >way having your fillings removed a week or two back could have instantly >eliminated all mercury toxicity effects. It would take months or even >years for the benefits to occur, if the problem really was mercury >toxicity. So if pulling your fillings instantly cured your feet, we have >a very solid case here that your "neuralgia" was psychosomatic. You are way off base here. I didn't say I was instantly cured. The detoxing that I have done is a major factor in my recovery. Yes, I will continue to do it for quite some time to remove the mercury from my body. I am feeling much better, because I am not receiving a new dose of mercury each day. The elimination of 8 mercury amalgams has made a difference. Nothing psychosomatic about it. >As a country musician, somehow I knew you were a line dancer. And >that, combined with your recent attempt to smear Texas and Texans, >explains a lot. > > >AF It does? My recent attemp to smear Texans? Now, please tell me, do you believe that people who like line dancing are stupid? Please explain your remark. You are a country musician, you can't see people truly enjoying themselves while line dancing? It was the first time I have been in a long, long time. I do not even know how, I have watched, but my feet stopped me from learning. I was so thankful to be back and tried a few lessons, THANK GOD, my feet didn't hurt! I felt alive again. What a blessing! Just as I thought that I knew you, you have really thrown me here. Please explain. Jan [/QUOTE] Nothing psychosomatic about it?!!?!?!?!?!?!? It was completely psychosomatic. Jan Drew's mercury level at the time she made this statement was the highest in her life since she had eight amalgams removed over a two day period only a week before. The second lie is when she posted to sci.med.dentisty that the reason she knows that it was the mercury in her mouth that caused her health problems was because she did not *begin* to regain her health until *after* the mercury level dropped. Not only is this a complete lie and Jan knows it but the complete opposite is true. Jan Drew began to regain her health when her mercury level was the highest in her entire life. That is right. When Jan Drew reported dramatic improvement in her health (ie better than she felt in two years, and being able to line dance due to all the pain gone) her mercury level had not dropped and was likely the highest in her life because this improvement occurred from hours to a week after her amalgams were removed. The reason that alternative dentists recommend slow removal of amalgams (some as posted by Jan Drew suggest removing no more than one amalgam every three months) is because the removal of the amalgams results in vaporization of mercury which even with perfect protocol will result in absorption into the body of large amounts of mercury. So on June 18 and 19, 1999 Jan had eight amalgams removed. On June 19, 1999 Jan said she felt better than she had in two years. On June 26, 1999 Jan said that she was able to go out line dancing because all her foot pain was gone. Of course the pain only was gone for a short time because it was likely a placebo effect due to her RELIEF that the mercury was coming out of her mouth. Just like she felt better than she did in two years due to relief (by her OWN admission) she was able to go out line dancing a week later when the absorption of mercury into her tissues from blood likely resulted in the highest level in her life. But Jan said that she knows it was the metal in her mouth because she did not BEGIN to regain her health until AFTER her mercury level dropped. A complete lie and the pathologic liar Jan Drew knows it. This is why she kill filed me. This is why she lies about me being a liar and a stalker. Jan Drew knows that I exposed her lies and she refuses to admit it. She is a despicable human being whose sole purpose in life is to shill for alternative dentists and to perpetuate the lie that she had mercury poisoning from amalgams. She did not and the proof is in her own words. Jan Drew will not respond to any of the points in this post. Instead she will pretend she is not reading them and then personally attack me in order to discredit me. Just watch. That's a wrap. Aloha, Rich ------------------------------------------------ ------------------------------------------------ The best defense to logic is ignorance. 17. The foul language of Jan Drew ################################# On 06 Nov 2003 23:45:08 GMT, jdrew63929@aol.com (Jan) wrote: X-Admin: news@aol.com From: jdrew63929@aol.com (Jan) Newsgroups: sci.med.dentistry Date: 06 Nov 2003 23:45:08 GMT Organization: AOL http://www.aol.com Subject: Re: The Obsessed Nut Case Liar Aribert Deckers Message-ID: <20031106184508.23201.00000316@mb-m20.aol.com> Xref: news.freenet.de sci.med.dentistry:176001 >Subject: Re: [FAQ about Jan Drew's advertizing for quackery] 20031106 >From: chuckmsrd@aol.com (ChuckMSRD) >Date: 11/6/2003 8:58 AM Pacific Standard Time >Message-id: <20031106115835.10454.00000314@mb-m10.aol.com> > >>2. Nicknames and persons involved in the Jan Drew scam > >>"ChuckMSRD" chuckmsrd@aol.com > >Wrong, and Aribert is an obsessed nut job. > >Chuck True. There is no Jan Drew scam. There is no advertising from me. Neither do I know Chuck other than by his posts here. Jan On 04 Nov 2003 02:34:29 GMT, jdrew63929@aol.com (Jan) wrote: > The websites I post are written by DDS's MD's Ph.D researchers, people with >actual experience, and law makers. Jan Drew admits to post material into the net. ********************************************** This way Jan Drew is advertizing. Jan Drew just does not call it advertizing. Jan Drew's denial does not make the advertizing no advertizing. Jan Drew's denial shows his pathologic character. Jan Drew is a naturopath mafia advertizing agency and as such his words are rhetoric warfare. Because that is the game --- as Jan Drew persuades people to go to charlatans and quacks. 18. Jan Drew's rhetorical warfare ################################# As you have seen above, Jan Drew DOES advertize by posting material which is CONTRA scientific medicine and PRO naturopath mafia stuff. In the following posting by Nana Weedkiller you see the relevant points clearly : From: "Nana Weedkiller" Newsgroups: misc.health.alternative References: <20031215184729.09506.00000928@mb-m17.aol.com> Subject: Re: Re Complementary Medicine Grows By Leaps & Bounds Message-ID: Date: Tue, 16 Dec 2003 02:53:08 GMT "Jan" wrote in message > >> > >> That's never been an issue, at least not with me. The goal is for both > >> to work together. > > > >You have on several occasions specifically stated that people are turning > >*away* from conventional medicine and using alternative medicine *in place > >of* it. > > Please do copy and paste the proof of this claim. I thought I might help you out a little to remind you of what you've stated. No need to thank me. Message-ID: <20010622175838.08906.00000460@ng-fs1.aol.com> "...when one has exhausted the conventional route and found no answers, they turn to alternative medicine. Many have found the answer been treated and are regaining their health. It's called RESULTS." Message-ID: <20021206010259.28350.00000264@mb-ca.aol.com> "Or one can turn to alternative medicine and find an answer,,,,,,,,,,,,and that is WHY one half of people are turning to alternative medicine." Message-ID: <20020728040519.09915.00000985@mb-bg.aol.com> "ONE of the MAIN reasons people turn to alternative medicine, is because conv. medicine HAS NO ANSWERS,,,,,,,,,,,," Message-ID: <20030310231017.10081.00000143@mb-mp.aol.com> "Defects of conventional medicine are just one more reason to turn to alternative medicine, and stay OUT of hospitals." Message-ID: <20030801013939.10372.00000735@mb-m05.aol.com> "Furthmore, have you any clue as to WHY people are turning to alternative?? BECASE THEY ARE DISSATIFIED WITH CONVENTIONAL MEDIC!NE!!!" Message-ID: <20001229193651.11785.00004861@ng-mm1.aol.com> "When conv. has no answers, it's time to turn to alternative. Many are finding answers and treatment that is working." Message-ID: <20010108163856.21738.00000544@ng-cp1.aol.com> "And many times they get NO diagnoses because it isn't in the recipe book. Many people turn to alternative because conv. has no answers." Message-ID: <20020603161723.11851.00002263@mb-fs.aol.com> "Their *real* doctor? The reason most people are turning to AM is because their conv. doctor has NO answers, because REAL conditions are being denied." Message-ID: <20030209211437.06772.00000577@mb-cv.aol.com> "In many cases conv. medicine has no answers, that's because many *real* diseases are denied. People tuurn to alternative to get to the *root* of the problem." Message-ID: <20031124001253.17304.00000775@mb-m19.aol.com> "You will find that most people are turning to alternative because conventional medicine has no answers." The naturopath mafiosi always invite the scientific medicine to cooperate with them. But the naturopath mafia seeds hatred against scientific medicine whereever possible. There will NEVER be any kind of cooperation, as it is the naturopath mafia which wants to rule the world ALONE, and may it cost the life of all patients. 19. Children die because of criminals like Jan Drew ################################################### On 11 Oct 2003 05:35:32 GMT, jdrew63929@aol.com (Jan) wrote: >This is truly evil. > >Jan This is a report from WHO in 1997 : http://www.who.int/child-adolescent-health/New_Publications/IMCI/fs_180.htm "Measles The problem: Despite the major impact made on this disease by successful immunization programmes, measles infects over 40 million children and kills over 800,000 under-fives each year. That translates to 2,000 deaths of young children every day from measles, often in association with diarrhoea and pneumonia. IMCI solution: Young children with measles often develop acute respiratory infections, diarrhoea and malnutrition, and children who survive measles are more vulnerable to other dangerous infections for several months afterwards. Trained health workers learn to recognize the complications of measles that they can treat and those that need rapid referral for more specialized treatment." What is more evil than to kill children ? Children die. They die because they have not been vaccinated. They die because of infections which they could have survived if they had been vaccinated. And Jan Drew persuades people NOT to have their children vaccinated... Jan Drew denies that he is against vaccination, but here are pieces of proof : [long, but with reason not abridged] From: "Tony Bad" Newsgroups: sci.med.dentistry References: <20020919230404.24287.00000182@mb-mc.aol.com> Subject: Re: Mercury in the mouth Lines: 38 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2600.0000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 Message-ID: Date: Thu, 19 Sep 2002 23:20:37 -0400 NNTP-Posting-Host: 24.186.4.238 X-Trace: news4.srv.hcvlny.cv.net 1032492423 24.186.4.238 (Thu, 19 Sep 2002 23:27:03 EDT) NNTP-Posting-Date: Thu, 19 Sep 2002 23:27:03 EDT Organization: Optimum Online You forgot the "once upon a time" at the start and "they lived happily ever after" at the end... "Jan" wrote in message news:20020919230404.24287.00000182@mb-mc.aol.com... > This brings us to the problem of detecting mercury toxicity in humans: The lack > of adequate diagnosis and testing available. ??????? There are very reliable tests for mercury level and very clear sysmptoms associated with certain levels of mercury in the body...where have these guys been?? The author of this drivel is...Ingri Cassel, Director of a group called "Vaccination Liberation" Their mission is: Mission Statement: To reveal the myth that vaccines are safe and effective To preserve our right to abstain To repeal all compulsory vaccination laws nationwide To expand our awareness of alternatives in healthcare For further information contact: Perhaps they should add...to return us to the dark ages when millions died from illneses that are now unheard of. I hear they want to bring back the use of trephining as well! Sounds like a real forward thinking group! next T Lines: 185 X-Admin: news@aol.com From: jdrew63929@aol.com (Jan) Newsgroups: sci.med.dentistry Date: 20 Sep 2002 03:47:07 GMT References: Organization: AOL http://www.aol.com Subject: Re: Mercury in the mouth Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Message-ID: <20020919234707.24173.00000184@mb-mc.aol.com> >Subject: Re: Mercury in the mouth >From: "Tony Bad" SpamSpamSpam@bakedbeans.spam >Date: 9/19/02 8:20 PM Pacific Daylight Time >Message-id: > >You forgot the "once upon a time" at the start and "they lived happily ever >after" at the end... Always a smart remark of diversion. http://proliberty.com/observer/20020608.htm >> This brings us to the problem of detecting mercury toxicity in humans: The lack >> of adequate diagnosis and testing available. > >??????? There are very reliable tests for mercury level and very clear >sysmptoms associated with certain levels of mercury in the body...where >have these guys been?? No, you are wrong. The normal 24 hour urine test will not show mercury deeply embedded in tissue. >The author of this drivel is...Ingri Cassel, Director of a group called >"Vaccination Liberation" So??? >Their mission is: > >Mission Statement: >To reveal the myth that vaccines are safe and effective >To preserve our right to abstain >To repeal all compulsory vaccination laws nationwide >To expand our awareness of alternatives in healthcare For further information contact: A very good mission. Interest in eliminating all forms of mercury. From the June 2002 Idaho Observer: -------------------------------------------------------------------------- ------ Mercury Amalgams: Do you still have a mouth full of them? by Ingri Cassel After two of my dear friends were plagued with health problems that were only minimized by natural healing programs, it was discovered that they were both suffering from acute systemic mercury poisoning and the main source of this insidious poison was in their mouth. Both of these women have a mouthful of aging mercury amalgams. It has been shown that mercury is continually released from mercury dental fillings in the form of mercury vapor and abraded particles. This process is further stimulated and can be increased as much as 15-fold by simply chewing, brushing teeth, hot drinks and even swishing your mouth with a solution of hydrogen peroxide (used to reduce dental plaque.) What we have been lead to believe are “silverâ€? dental amalgams actually contain 48-55 percent mercury, 33-35 percent silver and various amounts of copper, tin, zinc and other metals. For decades the American Dental Association has steadfastly maintained that the mercury in dental amalgams is bound to the other metals in such a way that the mercury could not possibly escape. However the ADA's assumption was proven wrong in 1985 when two researchers demonstrated that the air inside a mercury amalgam filled mouth continually contained elemental mercury vapor, and the dynamic of chewing increased this vapor level substantially. Mercury is extremely poisonous, accumulating over time in the various tissues of the body, particularly the brain and kidneys. Published research from two scientists at Utah State University shows that mercury is more toxic than lead, cadmium and even arsenic. Even world regulatory agencies such as the World Health Organization (WHO) have stated that the smallest amount of mercury that will not cause damage is unknown. In fact, the WHO recently concluded that the daily intake of mercury from amalgam dental fillings exceeded the combined daily intake of mercury derived from air, water and food (including fish). In human autopsy studies it has been found that there is a direct correlation between the amount of mercury found in the brain and the number and surfaces of mercury fillings in the mouth. Recent scientific research has shown high levels of mercury in the brains of Alzheimer's disease victims. Furthermore, laboratory studies of spinal fluid from both Lou Gehrig's disease and Alzheimers's disease patients have confirmed the presence of high levels of mercury that inhibit key brain detoxification systems. Despite these findings, the American Dental Association and various agencies in the U.S. government still support the use of mercury amalgam dental fillings. They claim that they are safe based on 150 years of use and that there is no scientific proof showing mercury exposure from dental fillings causes any known disease. “In 1988 scrap dental amalgam was declared a hazardous waste material by the Environmental Protection Agency... Once a doctor removes an amalgam and places it in a tray, it once again becomes a hazardous waste material. I ask the reader -- what is it about the mouth that makes this same item non-toxic? Or is it possible that the mouths of some 80 percent of Americans with amalgam fillings are in actuality toxic waste dumps?â€? ~Sandra Denton, M.D., from The Mercury Cover-Up in the June, 1989 edition of Health Consciousness magazine. This well referenced article also brings up the fact that dentists have the highest suicide and divorce rate among professionals. And dental personnel have a higher spontaneous abortion rate, a higher incidence of premature labor and infertility, and an elevated incidence of perinatal mortality. But how do we know this is due to the constant low levels of mercury to which they are exposed? This brings us to the problem of detecting mercury toxicity in humans: The lack of adequate diagnosis and testing available. Symptoms may vary due to biochemical individuality. There are also different degrees of intoxication from the same amount of mercury levels. “Maryâ€? had such high levels of mercury in her system that our dentist, Dr. Armand DeFelice, told her that he had never seen such high levels of mercury in a person that didn't have multiple sclerosis or some other debilitating auto-immune disorder. Some of the more common symptoms of mercury toxicity are anemia, anorexia, chronically low body temperature, bronchitis, colitis, high blood pressure, low blood sugar, irritability, fatigue, gingivitis, mouth sores, bleeding gums, headaches, visual changes, insomnia, depression, stomach pains, allergic reactions, joint pains, trembling and loss of appetite. The problem is that most people have several of these health problems and would not necessarily connect it to mercury poisoning. But with at least 85 percent of the American population having mercury amalgams in their mouth, and most of these having at least 10 mercury amalgam fillings, the mercury link to ill-health becomes that much more obvious. Another reason for concern is that for the past 20 years, the most popular mercury filling has been the “high copperâ€? amalgam that boasts 30 percent copper. Scientific studies have proven that the new high copper fillings release mercury (and copper) at a rate 50 times faster than the pre-1980 amalgams. With all the media stories out now on the pervasiveness of mercury in our environment, it is imperative that we look into our mouths since our fillings will likely be the main source of our own mercury toxicity. What is even more convincing is the stories of people who have had their amalgams replaced with a more biocompatible composite. Chronic health problems disappear and many claim there is a new level of clarity in their thinking that they hadn't had. But the system for removing and replacing amalgams is not a simple one. Often the plastic composite materials used to replace the filling is nearly as toxic to a chemically sensitive person as the mercury amalgam was. According to Dr. DeFelice, there are over 150 different non-mercury composites to choose from with only a fraction of them being biocompatible. Also, the order in which the old fillings are removed is another aspect that can create more hazards than health benefits initially. For some reason, accepted but not totally clear, your body responds to the removal of the fillings according to electrical charge. Fillings are like little batteries and they generate electrical current. Some teeth will read positive, and some negative when touched with an ammeter. Evidently, whether the filling is pushing electrons from the filling up into your brain, or pushing protons, it affects the body's own electrical system when these are removed. These are only two of the many reasons to go to a dentist who is thoroughly trained in the art of amalgam removal. But what I consider the most important reason to go to such a skilled dentist is the fact that they are clearly dedicated to helping people get well through their profession. Now that you know the deadly effects of mercury fillings and fluoride, deadly substances that are backed by the American Dental Association, why trust and support a dentist who uses these poisonous substances in his practice? In a world of many options and choices, it is high time we make our choices conscious ones. Says Jan Drew : >Their mission is: > >Mission Statement: >To reveal the myth that vaccines are safe and effective >To preserve our right to abstain >To repeal all compulsory vaccination laws nationwide >To expand our awareness of alternatives in healthcare For further information contact: A very good mission. ******************** The underlign "***" in the following pieces of proof is by me : Path: news.freenet.de!newsfeed.freenet.de!213.253.16.105.MISMATCH!mephistopheles.news.clara.net!news.clara.net!newsfeed.icl.net!newsfeed.fjserv.net!news-xfer1.atl.newshosting.com!63.218.45.11.MISMATCH!newshosting.com!news-xfer2.atl.newshosting.com!38.144.126.70.MISMATCH!feed3.newsreader.com!newsreader.com!ngpeer.news.aol.com!audrey-m1.news.aol.com!not-for-mail Lines: 77 X-Admin: news@aol.com From: jdrew63929@aol.com (Jan) Newsgroups: misc.health.alternative Date: 22 Aug 2003 19:47:06 GMT Organization: AOL http://www.aol.com Subject: The Dangers Of Vaccines Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Message-ID: <20030822154706.21713.00000514@mb-m01.aol.com> Xref: news.freenet.de misc.health.alternative:311988 http://www.mercola.com/forms/vaccine_teleconference.htm The Danger of Vaccines, and How You Can Legally Avoid Them Vaccines can harm, and in some cases, even kill. And at school, vaccine requirements for admission are a serious problem that many of you, whether parents of preschool to college students, or a college student yourself, will face. "The Danger of Vaccines, and How You Can Legally Avoid Them" is a professionally recorded 90-minute audio tape of an important teleconference that I hosted on 8/24/02. The tape features a conversation between renowned vaccine expert Dr. Sherri Tenpenny and me in the first hour, with select questions from over 600 conference participants in the second half-hour. The tape will help you: Discover simple, practical steps you can take to legally avoid dangerous immunizations Learn the difference between philosophical, religious and medical exemptions Understand why most medical exemptions will not stand up in court Learn pracitcal methods of improving your child's immunity so they won't get the diseases the vaccinesare supposed to, but frequently don't, prevent Health care practitioners and others with a professional interest in health will also find this tape invaluable, as your patients will benefit from this information and you will learn the serious legal dangers you risk if you falsify a medical exemption. The damage vaccines inflict on individuals and society far outweighs ********************************************************************* any potential benefit they may claim. This is not unverifiable hype ************************************* from the fringes. Indisputable facts support this claim. Countless firsthand stories testify to the pain, damage and death vaccines have caused; a powerful story from a Mother who lost her baby to routine vaccination that is currently circulating the Internet is but one example. But your government, under the thumb of a traditional medical system grown fat on extreme drug profits, refuses to expose this epidemic. They would still have you believe vaccinations are good. They would still have you believe vaccines for your child are "mandatory." "The Danger of Vaccines, and How You Can Legally Avoid Them" finally dispels the myths and helps you : Understand why vaccines are essentially loaded guns aimed at your ***************************************************************** child's body ************ Find out how you can disarm your school nurses by legally avoiding vaccines Learn what approaches you can take to immunize your child against disease safely - and for life Crucial Vaccine Insight from the World’s Leading Authority Most of the 150,000 readers of my free health newsletter need no introduction to Dr. Sherri Tenpenny, as she has been a contributing editor on the vaccine issue for several years. For that matter, many people throughout North America have likely heard of her, too, as she has offered her unparalleled insight on vaccines on countless health programs. Her articles, such as “Expert" Believes Infants Can Tolerate 10,000 Vaccines and Smallpox Vaccines and Heart Disease, No "Coincidence", gives an idea of the range of her expertise and important insight. With “Vaccines: What CDC Documents and Science Reveal,â€? though, you will get all of the crucial information you need to protect you and your loved ones. What’s more, you’ll get it in a manner you can understand, and that’s not “dryâ€? but actually engaging to watch. If you are also interested in how and why vaccines themselves are dangerous, you should seriously consider Dr. Tenpenny's new video, “Vaccines: What CDC Documents and Science Reveal.â€? You'll learn how vaccines can cause illnesses including autoimmune diseases, allergies, ear infections, and more. You'll discover the very real link between vaccines and developmental, learning and behavioral disorders in children. You'll find out how and why vaccine studies are seriously flawed. And much more: read more about Dr. Tenpenny's vaccine video. Lines: 99 X-Admin: news@aol.com From: jdrew63929@aol.com (Jan) Newsgroups: misc.health.alternative Date: 20 Oct 2002 21:34:07 GMT References: Organization: AOL http://www.aol.com Subject: Re: New Flu vaccine for babies.. Message-ID: <20021020173407.11766.00003095@mb-cp.aol.com> >Subject: Re: New Flu vaccine for babies.. >From: [name of person, who is stalked by Jan Drew for years] >Date: 10/20/02 6:17 AM Pacific Daylight Time >Message-id: > > >"Cher" wrote in message >news:aou8p7$ois$1@news.datasync.com... >> Vaccines, all vaccines, are immune suppressing; that is they depress our >> immune functions. > >No, they do not do this. I suggest that you get some facts on this. The >immune system is alike a muscle, the more it works the stronger it gets. >Babies, from the instant of birth, have their immune system working very >hard to accept al the new antigens they are experiencing. This is an excerpt from an article published by Randall Neustaedtler, O.M.D. titled Do Vaccines Disable the Immune System? Vaccines are destroying our immune systems. Amazingly, the medical ******************************************* profession ignores the incriminating evidence against vaccines, and continues to inflict more unnecessary and harmful vaccines on our nation's infants. A recent study from the New England Journal of Medicine of May 1996 revealed that tetanus vaccine disables the immune system in HIV patients. Tetanus vaccination produced a drop in T cells in 10 of 13 patients, a classic sign of immune deficiency. HIV viral replication increased dramatically in response to tetanus vaccine. Finally, white blood cells from 7 of 10 uninfected individuals became more susceptible to HIV infection following tetanus vaccination. Despite these findings, the authors made no comment about the immune depleting effect of the vaccine. Why is the public unaware of these findings? Why has the medical profession kept these reports hidden from the public eye? With typical condescension, Dr. Martin Smith, president of the American Academy of Pediatrics, explained in the Academy's News that the inclusion of this type of information in vaccine brochures would confuse many parents and could even needlessly alarm them. An uninformed patient is compliant. The cover-up of immune system failure following vaccination is reminiscent of the tobacco industry's continuous denial and misinformation campaign about the dangers of cigarettes. In both instances huge profits are at stake in multibillion-dollar industries. Vaccine manufacturers cannot afford to have their product maligned in a public forum. Doctors have often stated that broadcasting adverse effects of vaccines to the public would hinder vaccine campaigns. This attitude emerged more than thirty years ago when Dr. Paul Meier testified before a congressional committee concerning the polio vaccine campaign of the 1960s. It is hard to convince the public that something is good. Consequently, the best way to push forward a new program is to decide on what you think the best decision is and not question it thereafter, and further, not to raise questions before the public or expose the public to open discussion of the issues. The medical profession has been aware of the damaging effects of vaccines on the immune system since their introduction. For example, the ability of pertussis and DTP vaccines to stimulate the onset of paralytic polio was first noted in 1909. In every polio epidemic since then, DTP injections have caused the onset of polio disease. In 1950, two careful studies were conducted in the state of New York to evaluate the reports of an association between the onset of paralytic polio and recent injections. The findings were published in the American Journal of Public Health. Investigators contacted the families of all children who contracted polio during that year, a total of 1,300 cases in New York City and 2,137 cases in the remainder of New York State. A history of vaccinations received in the previous two months was obtained on each child and from a group of matched controls in the same population. Those studies discovered that children with polio were twice as likely to have received a DTP vaccination in the two months preceding the onset of polio than were the control children. The association of vaccines with the onset of polio continues in the modern age. During a recent polio epidemic in the Arabian peninsula country of Oman, DTP vaccination again caused the onset of paralytic polio. In that epidemic, 70 children 5 to 24 months old contracted paralytic polio during the period 1988-1989. The report in the British medical journal Lancet confirmed that a significantly higher percentage of these children had received a DTP shot within 30 days of the onset of polio compared to a control group of children without polio, 43 percent of polio victims compared to 28 percent of controls. The DTP vaccine suppresses the body's ability to fight off the polio virus. The destructive effect of vaccines on the immune system can persist over an extended period of time. One study published in the Journal of Infectious Diseases documented a long-term depressive effect on interferon production caused by the measles vaccine. Interferon is a chemical produced by lymphocytes (a type of white blood cell) that renders the host resistant to infection. Interferon production is stimulated by infection with a virus to protect the body from superinfection by some other micro-organism. In this study, vaccination of one-year-old infants with measles vaccine caused a precipitous drop in the level of alpha-interferon produced by lymphocytes. This decline persisted for one year following vaccination, at which time the experiment was terminated. Thus, this study showed that measles vaccine produced a significant long-term immune suppression. Proof, again and again, that Jan Drew spreads misinformation about vaccination. ----- D. Jan Drew is a shame to the human race ######################################## Mr. Rich posted a very good description of the pathological psyche of Jan Drew : From: [Mr. Rich] Newsgroups: misc.health.alternative Subject: Can Jan Drew's Word Be Trusted Message-ID: References: <20040312004955.01740.00001356@mb-m22.aol.com> Date: Fri, 12 Mar 2004 08:30:54 GMT On 12 Mar 2004 05:49:55 GMT, jdrew63929@aol.com (Jan) wrote: >Rich will be right along to tell ya the answers to all these quuestion, you >asked *ME*. If Jan has me kill filed how can she know that I am doing this?? Oops. The jig is up. Another lie. Sad that. Yes Jan, I know you will be reading this. You fool no one when you claim to kill file people. You are a terrible liar. Cue Jan to start another post attacking me. Just watch. Jan says it is never right to belittle. Then she belittles. Jan says that she never snips to change meaning of posts. Then she snips and changes meaning of posts. Jan says she never lied on mha. Then Jan lies. Jan says that she always proves other's lies. Then Jan does not prove other's lies. Jan says that she is a Christian. Then she lies and bears false witness. She says that Jesus was there when God wrote the Ten Commandments. Jan says that she is not an anti-semite. But she calls a Jewish man a Jew Boy and says that lying comes second nature to Jews and that all the jews in this newsgroup save one, lie. Jan says she does not hate homosexuals but then she calls them queers and homos and belittles someone for his sexual orientation. Jan says that she does not hate anyone but then she expresses hatred. Jan says Judge Not Lest YOu Be Judged and yet she is the biggest judger of all. Jan says that it is good not to hold grudges and instead to forgive. She posts an interview with God which tells her to forgive. Jan Drew continues to hold grudges and obsessively posts grudges from years ago. Jan personally attacks people and calls them liars simply for having a different opinion from hers. Jan Drew calls others hypocrites when she is the biggest hypocrite (see above) of all. Jan Drew criticizes conventional medicine for giving medicines that only cover up the problem. Jan Drew takes two medications that only cover up the problem. Jan says that she had mercury poisoning and almost died and her life was saved by having amalgams removed. Jan knows that it was relief that made her feel better than she had in TWO YEARS!!!! Jan says that the reason she felt better than she had in two years was because all the dental work was done. It was not done. Jan says that the reason she knows it was the mercury because she did not begin to regain her health until AFTER her mercury level dropped. Jan knows this is a lie as she began to regain her health when her mercury level was likely the highest in her life. Jan says that the reason that she was able to go out line dancing a week after some amalgams were removed was because she was not getting a daily dose of mercury. Jan knows this is a lie because she still had some amalgams left and they would not be removed for another few weeks. Jan accused me of lying when I said she felt better than she had in years instead of two years. Jan knows that she lied about this. Jan accused me of lying when I said she felt better than she had in two years because of what I was implying. But Jan knows I was implying that it was a placebo response and Jan ADMITTED that she felt better due to relief. Jan accused me of lying when I mistakenly posted January instead of June when she likely knew that I just made a mistake. And this is only the tip of the iceberg. Jan is a despicable, liar, bigot, hypocrite, hate monger, anti-semite, homophobe, belittler, and judger. And I proved it with her OWN WORDS. May God have mercy on her soul. Aloha, Rich Cue Jan to attack me. Just watch. ------------------------------------------------- ------------------------------------------------- The best defense to logic is ignorance E. Why am I maintaining this FAQ ? ################################## Since 1996 I maintain a web-site against dental amalgam. 99% of my time I have to tell people what naturopath stuff is quackery. So I wrote web-pages about what I found. In the usenet I found a liar who calls himself Jan Drew. Who advertizes quackery. Jan Drew is one of many advertizing agencies which do the very same. Some months ago a German advertizing agency was caught advertizing chlorella algae. Estimated damage of the chlorella swindle : 1 billion US-$ per year. The method is always the same. The result is always the same : Ill people are ripped off. And they die. Some months ago I got to know about a man ill with cancer. This man was ordered by his naturopath to drink 1 litre of Noni juice per day. A bottle costs about 50 US-$. After 6 months all his money was gone and the man was dead. He had paid estimated 9000 US-$. Calculating the normal dealers' provisions the naturopath collected about 2000 US-$. Or more... And the man ill with cancer is dead... I am collecting material about Jan Drew. I want to make a web-page about his criminal abuse of ill people. Please contact me via news:misc.health.alternative or news:sci.med.dentistry *********************** ***************** A militia against the Jan Drew quack mafia ! I give 1 Dollar. Do never forget, that you can and must (!) complain against health fraud. Take your part in the defense against abuse of children and ill people! Regards, Aribert Deckers . -- Evolutionary Plan http://www.journalist.is/evolutionary_plan.jpg