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# pecon 21 Jul 2008 at 7:28 pm
“the evil that happened to that poor woman is an example of how evil can triumph when good people do nothing.”
Oh baloney. You take one case and magnify it into a catastrophic threat to human survival. What about all the poor cancer victims who die in spite of your toxic and expensive treatments?
You have not studied and rejected all CAM treatments based on scientific evidence. You just pretend that you have. You are sure they can’t work because you don’t understand how they could work. And you don’t understand because they don’t fit your materialist ideology.
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So let's analyze...
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You take one case and magnify it into a catastrophic threat to human survival.
What about all the poor cancer victims who die in spite of your toxic and expensive treatments?
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These are typical statements by esotters. There is an insane logic behind that. It works like this:
1.
Esotters cannot count and they DO NOT WANT to count. They ALWAYS come up with anecdotal stuff.
This way they shove away ALL the victims of esottery. If a "healing" method somehow has one survirvor, the esotters will NOT say that the chance of survival is 1:1000, they will claim "IT WORKS!"
2.
Even if there are NO healing effects - or, worse, there are no survivors at all - the esotters will cling to their "healing" method. But WHY and HOW? Answer: With an insane argument: "We KNOW it works."
You might think that only idiots would argument that way. Yes, you are right with that, but you should consider our German government to react JUST THAT WAY. Concerning homeopathy and anthroposophic "medicine", German politicians DECLARED: "We know it works." They even went further and claimed: "These methods have been proven successful."
How could they do THAT? Answer: Take trick number 1.
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Esotters reverse cause and consequence.
Esotters take the wrong part of the statistic selection.
"pec" does it: "What about all the poor cancer victims who die in spite of your toxic and expensive treatments?"
"pec" does not say: "What about all the poor cancer victims who SURVIVED BECAUSE OF your toxic and expensive treatments?"
Esotters can be so deeply insane that they claim that 98 percent of all "school medicine treated" cancer patients die, AND that their guru has a healing method where more than 95 percent of his patients survive. BUT they cannot even show ONE SINGLE survivor of their guru's method.
To stress this even more, they claim that "school medicine" does not want to let their guru's patients survive, an so there are none..
Not all esotters are that insane, but there is a very broad range...
Clear fact: one cannot discuss with esotters. They live in their mental "somewhere", but not on this earth.
You NEVER can convince them as their "logic" is THE BASE to their existence. Even scratching their "logic" would immediately show, that they are nuts, that through all their life they messed up everything, that they are responsible for grief, sorrow, and even for death of family members. To get rid of that guilt, esotters MUST never confess that they are wrong.
The consequence is, that even slightest scratching of their pseudointellectual surface makes esotters PERSONALLY ATTACKED and puts them in rage. As they have no real facts, they use even the most stupid, aggressive and imbecile tricks and rhetoric to fight against their "attackers".
You see: One cannot discuss with esotters, one must write ABOUT them and uncover their methods. We do this for more than a decade now, and ... IT WORKS! :-)
Some short example:
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You have not studied and rejected all CAM treatments based on scientific evidence. You just pretend that you have. You are sure they can’t work because you don’t understand how they could work. And you don’t understand because they don’t fit your materialist ideology.
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1.
One major trick of esotters and snakeoil-dealers is to put the burden of proof onto those who oppose them.
One MUST NOT fall for this trick! There are several reasons associated with this trick:
a)
Even if - in a study - it were possible to prove that the esoteric method is wrong, the esotters win years of time. During this time they have
-- ad 1 the additional boost BECAUS OF THE STUDY to claim that "even school medicine is trying it".
-- ad 2 years of time to make big cash because they are not blocked of, but instead (see above) are SUPPORTED by their critics.
b)
Most of the studies would be illegal because of unnecessarily endangering/risking the lives of the probands.
So it is absolutely impossible to make these studies. DESPITE THEY DO KNOW THAT, esotters insist on such studies. We find many examples for that in the anti-vacc scene. These "persons" even insist on destroying OTHER PEOPLE'S vaccination shield. The anti-vaccs in Germany wanted in a public petition to the Bundestag to stop that insurance companies pay the HPV vaccination. More than 1000 lives can be saved EACH year, and so the anti-vaccs obviously do want these women to die...
c)
If such a study would prove that the esoteric claim is wrong, the esotters STILL would go on with their wrong claims. The best known example for this is hompeopathy, a pile of insane lies, which for more than centuries is spread across the continents and cost uncounted lives.
If "alternative" medicine WERE trustworthy, its proponents would behave honestly. But they don't, see a, b, c.
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Esotters defend their "science" by claiming that the critics do not understand them. This is one of the most widely used and most primitive lies. And it is so very easy to use. Even the dumbest bloke is very fit in using it.
An example:
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You just pretend that you have. You are sure they can’t work because you don’t understand how they could work.
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One cannot argue about that because esotters are autistic. So, all one can do is to SHOW IN PUBLIC how damned stupid esotters are. And this really IS easy to do.
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Esotters do not live on earth:
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And you don’t understand because they don’t fit your materialist ideology.
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Whatever science may bring, esotters do not accept it. To make their insane world keep on going, they always take it out of the real world. The rhetoric trick: "You just cannot measure it, but this does not mean that it does not exist."
Esotters develop "super-science". An Austrian claims to dry walls with energy coming from "space". Several "scientists" work with it, but no real scientist can measure it. "BUT IT IS THERE!" Interestingly, although it cannot be measured, this energy can do PHYSICAL work. The best work: it sells esoteric stuff...
Here is an analysis of such a messy "science":
http://www.fgf.de/publikationen/newsletter/einzeln/NL_04-01/Betrachtung_Theorien_Meyl_NL_01-04d.pdf(Sorry, seems there is no English translation available. But, please, ask the FGF if they would translate it. The other newsletters by them ARE translated.)
So, this "super science" exists, does work, ONLY the school medicine" or "mainstream science" is either to stupid to accept it, to measure it, or to prove it.
What is this? Answer: This is magic. Magic is only for those with insight, for knowing, for the elite.
This trick is a multifunctional tool. It is an EXTREMELY stupid bullshit, but even the greatest idiot ever can handle it easily.
-- It EXPLAINS why "school medicine" or "mainstream science" cannot find it, measure it, use it or prove that it does no work or exist.
-- WHATEVER "school medicine" or "mainstream science" would do or say, EVERYTHING would PROVE how stupid they are.
And if it is not stupidity (no, not all are stupid), then it is them being bought by "the "pharmamafia", by "the big industry" or by another cartell.
The big catch with this
"What is this? Answer: This is magic. Magic is only for those with insight, for knowing, for the elite."
is, that those who claim, that they know, put themselves up as THE ELITE.
So, even the greatest idiot ever is part of THE ELITE.
Really, you cannot dare to touch that, don't you?
Even the greatest idiot ever is part of THE ELITE. This shows why it is so important for them to have this shield: it makes them important. Perhaps it even makes them the rulers of this world...
To take away this base would make their whole world collapse. So we, the scientific thinkers, are aliens to their world. That we want to destroy their world makes us insane aggressors.
But it really IS easy to crack this.
Point 1: You CAN NOT discuss with esotters. You only can demonstrate how damned stupid they are.
Point 2: Esotters ARE stupid. They have no facts, they even cannot count.
This can be demonstrated e.g. with the homeopaths, who all the time CLAIM about their healing success. But they are too damned stupid to COUNT the succesful cases and the insuccessful cases.
In this web-site there are long discussions, but they won't lead you anywhere. Go to the basics, go to the facts ... and see how esotters bite into the carpets.
ama
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http://www.ariplex.com/ama/ama_rhet.htm )