This would come as a rather big surprise to modern Aztecs. There's
well over a million of them living in and around Mexico City.
"It seems that outbreaks of disease occur when there isn't proper
sanitation and proper standards of hygiene."
Message-ID: <uUXpp.1446$CS3.1022@viwinnwfe01.internal.bigpond.com>
"The only places in the world where measles remains a problem is where
there is semi-starvation, unclean water and no sanitation."
Message-ID: <Zu4op.960$CS3.248@viwinnwfe01.internal.bigpond.com>
Recent developments have disproved this claim rather thoroughly. I was
not aware that there was semi-starvation, unclean water and no
sanitation in France.
"I don't look into their backgrounds and neither do I think it is
significant."
Message-ID: <nKMnp.904$CS3.352@viwinnwfe01.internal.bigpond.com>
Carole is willingly ignorant when it comes to the claims of the
crackpots she uses as 'evidence'.
"Vaccination has caused many epidemics."
Message-ID: <Zu4op.960$CS3.248@viwinnwfe01.internal.bigpond.com>
Though she cannot find a single real example when asked to present
one.
"I heard that Margaret Thatcher had something to do with fluoridation
of
Ireland's water supply."
Message-ID: <X4Cho.5733$Yv.2884@viwinnwfe01.internal.bigpond.com>
Since Margaret Thatcher was the PM of the UK, not the Republic of
Ireland, I find this somewhat impossible to accept.
"But on the other hand, sodium fluoride did originate as a mind
control drug used in nazi germany to keep inmates docile and easy to
control.
And there are no actual studies that show its beneficial effect on
tooth decay."
Message-ID: <441370e0$0$23340$5a62ac22@per-qv1-
newsreader-01.iinet.net.au>
"Sodium fluoride was used as a mind control substance in nazy
germany."
Message-ID: <AbMgo.5411$Yv.5173@viwinnwfe01.internal.bigpond.com>
Which is improbable to the extreme, given that fluoride does not have
mind altering properties and that there is no evidence to back such a
claim up. There are several studies that show that fluoridation
prevents tooth decay.
"And what about your cognitive bias in being a skeptic who discounts
anything without EVIDENCE?"
Message-ID: <M%5ho.5538$Yv.3339@viwinnwfe01.internal.bigpond.com>
In which Carole demonstrates that she doesn't have a clue about what
cognitive bias is.
"Well bob, thermiserol is 50% mercury, so you do the maths.
You think its ok to inject somebody with thermisersol which is 50%
mercury, but not actual mercury."
Message-ID: <8dUyo.896$gM3.826@viwinnwfe01.internal.bigpond.com>
In reality, thimerasole, as can be seen from its formula C9H9HgNaO2S,
contains 1 mercury atom per molecule, so a dose of vaccine would
contain 10 atoms of mercury altogether. Hardly 50% of mercury.
"You don't believe that the pharmaceutical business with disease is
an
offshoot of nazi germany's IG Farben?
"You can lead a horse to water but you can't make it drink"
I can show you all the information in the world, but you will continue
to deny, deny, deny."
Message-ID: <WUCbo.4113$FH2.210@viwinnwfe02.internal.bigpond.com>
Since there are only 2 pharmaceutical companies in existence that came
from the breaking up of IG Farben, it's ridiculous to assume that all
pharmaceutical business came from there. There are several
pharmaceutical companies in existence that are older than that.
"I've heard that TB is associated with calcium deficiency.
Malaria is associated with sodium sulphate deficiency."
Message-ID: <%VJBk.38548$IK1.17873@news-server.bigpond.net.au>
She's heard wrong.
"I have an idea that many of them are joined together by some tunnels
that travel at very fast speeds."
Message-ID: <9259588c-ffb3-4d58-
bddd-7bf0f83d78f6@q31g2000prf.googlegroups.com>
Tunnels usually sit quietly where they are dug, it is bit of a
characteristic of them that they do not "travel at very fast speeds".
"Hey, do you know that oil isn't a fossil fuel like we've had drummed
into us since kindergarten?"
Message-ID: <43e7db4f$0$30441$5a62ac22@per-qv1-
newsreader-01.iinet.net.au>
In which Carole falls for the long discredited abiotic origin of oil
hypothesis.
"And there is an interesting story on how homeopathy used to be the
standard until rockefeller made his moves, and that is what has given
modern medicine its respectability."
Message-ID: <GwB5o.2333$FH2.607@viwinnwfe02.internal.bigpond.com>
Homeopathy never used to be the standard.
"The US patents office doesn't issue a patent until it can be
demonstrated that an invention works."
Message-ID: <fcb180f1.0302211436.32ad3000@posting.google.com>
Not true. This applies only to perpetual motion machines. Given what
ridiculous patents the US Patents Office has granted, it's very clear
that such demonstration is not required.
"Well I don't know about the actual figures, but some sources say they
are pretty awful.
also some of the treatments are more deadly than the actual cancer, so
if the person doesn't die from cancer they die from the chemo."
Message-ID: <_Sc3o.1786$Yv.727@viwinnwfe01.internal.bigpond.com>
Since some cancers are treated by chemotherapy alone, for example
Acute Lymphoblastic Leukaemia with a cure rate of 75-80% , this claim
is manifestly false.
"We know the traditional japanese don't get cancer - I don't know
about
other countries."
Message-ID:
<f3d9680c-8d36-4e71-8a10-32204b5ea1f7@m27g2000prj.googlegroups.com>
Traditional Japanese get cancer just like every other population on
the planet.
"Everybody knows that no plane hit the pentagon and the supposed
muslim
highjackers all had their identities stolen and were alive and living
in other countries at the time."
Message-ID: <d6bbd0a5-5726-4151-b5c0-
b*6@h17g2000pre.googlegroups.com>
Not that she has any evidence for either claim.
"Whether she's sane or insane, the facts speak for themselves that
the
non-vaccinated don't develop the auto-immune diseases that the
vaccinated develop."
Message-ID: <3Y9ko.6628$FH2.1411@viwinnwfe02.internal.bigpond.com>
Those are not facts, since we know that auto-immune diseases develop
in non-vaccinated populations. There was a case of skeletons found in
Tennessee from 4,500 BCE who had rheumatoid arthritis. Rheumatoid
arthritis is an auto-immune disease and there were no vaccinations
available around 4,500 BCE America.
"Autism is an auto-immune disease. There is no autism in the amish
population or the home schooled that aren't vaccinated."
Message-ID: <3Nwko.6591$Yv.4663@viwinnwfe01.internal.bigpond.com>
The Amish do have autistic persons, there is even a whole clinic for
them.
"CCHR isn't scientology.
But you wouldn't know about that since you are a bit simple."
Message-ID: <OvJko.6663$Yv.6032@viwinnwfe01.internal.bigpond.com>
CCHR is one of the $cientology fronts - and demonstrably so.
"Yet mental illness is no stigma and different than insane."
Message-ID: <LBxko.6717$FH2.1759@viwinnwfe02.internal.bigpond.com>
The term 'mental illness' covers everything from anxiety disorder to
paranoid schizophrenia. The term 'insane' is no longer in medical use.
"Antibiotics get rid of the bacteria? I think that the bacteria are
only there in the first place because the person has putrefying
matter
in their bloodstream."
Message-ID: <fcb180f1.0207200456.55c58578@posting.google.com>
There is no case where a person can have putrefying matter in their
bloodstream and still be alive.
"Isn't oestrogen a hormone that women become deficient in after
menopause?
So what you're saying bob, is that the 1 out of 3 blokes over 65 who
develops an osteoporactic fracture is oestrogen deficient?
Maybe you'd also like to see these blokes grow breasts and get high
voices."
Message-ID: <hAbbp.11565$MF5.2425@viwinnwfe02.internal.bigpond.com>
In which Carole demonstrates that she has no clue that males also
produce estrogen, though to a much lesser amount than testosterone.
"Why do you think old people end up with osteoporosis? Its because
their body has to borrow from the bones to detoxify and de-acidify
when the diet is faulty."
Message-ID: <Ap4Lo.4314$gM3.4145@viwinnwfe01.internal.bigpond.com>
In reality the body leeches calcium from the bones for muscle
contraction and protein regulation if the diet is deficient in calcium
or there is vitamin D/and or estrogen deficiency that prevents calcium
from absorbing. It has nothing to do with acid/alkaline balance.
"Its beside the point bob, what the mechanism is and the processes the
body goes through to perform different functions.
I don't need to know this."
Message-ID: <QB4Lo.4222$MF5.1987@viwinnwfe02.internal.bigpond.com>
Yes, she does, as such knowledge would prevent Carole from posting
such howlers as the one above.
"Cancer doesn't just happen by accident, its takes years of faulty
eating and living -- you know, cause and effect."
Message-ID: <8v8Ko.4083$gM3.3863@viwinnwfe01.internal.bigpond.com>
In which case Carole might want to explain why infants can have a form
of cancer, neuroblastoma. Roughly 50% of the cases occur in children
younger than 2 years.
"Maybe if medical science knew a bit more about nutrition, people
wouldn't get diabetes in the first place."
Message-ID: <Aqj46.154$nt6.330308@news0.optus.net.au>
"I know nothing about diabetes so I can't comment."
Message-ID: <O0l46.161$nt6.337091@news0.optus.net.au>
Interesting. So Carole admits that she knows nothing about diabetes
but still imagines that she knows enough to speculate on the causes.
"If I swallow a cupful of sand, does that treat my silica
deficiencies? I tried taking sand once, but it didn't alleviate any
silica deficiencies. I only took a little bit to see if it did
anything, but it didn't."
Message-ID:<748a9061-2e88-4a94-a8cc-
e*1@l14g2000pre.googlegroups.com>
"Since silica is sand I tried it to see if it addressed silica
deficiencies, it doesn't.
It was a simple experiment."
Message-ID: <AZCjp.14309$gM3.6643@viwinnwfe01.internal.bigpond.com>
How did she imagine that her stomach would digest sand???
"People who contract lice are calcium deficient for starters, and then
they have lots of acid in their bodies which is sodium (bicarb) and
potassium (cream of tartar) mainly to treat (taken orally to
neutralise acid in the body)."
Message-ID: <e8vdl.12962$cu.6792@news-server.bigpond.net.au>
"No kidding.
Headlice are also a sign of a toxic body.
Get rid of headlice with cellsalts."
Message-ID: <47bc675b$0$30954$5a62ac22@per-qv1-
newsreader-01.iinet.net.au>
"I read in a book once that "nits were scavengers and live on the
impurities in the blood"."
Message-ID: <bR576.22$K8.2525@news0.optus.net.au>
Nits and headlice live on blood, not imaginary "impurities of the
blood".
"Its not normal to smell bad, this is due to some sort of toxins in
the
secretions that make you smell bad."
Message-ID:
<06bdb2a3-9972-4f52-9e1b-89a5fa1447bc@n2g2000pre.googlegroups.com>
In which Carole demonstrates that she does not know about bacteria
causing the originally odourless apocrine sweat to become smelly.
"I would say that all food is a poison because we shit it out the
other end, meaning that the body doesn't need it."
Message-ID: <4798fcae$0$17216$5a62ac22@per-qv1-
newsreader-01.iinet.net.au>
"Did you know that fruit and vegetables aren't very good for people?
This is because shortly after eating them, they are expelled out the
other end, which proves that the body can't make use of them."
Message-ID: <443ea669$0$32095$5a62ac22@per-qv1-
newsreader-01.iinet.net.au>
Where she got this idea from is quite beyond me...
"Scent glands are meant to pick up sex hormones, not odours associated
with body waste putrification."
Message-ID: <47a65c83$0$5616$5a62ac22@per-qv1-
newsreader-01.iinet.net.au>
Scent glands do not pick up anything.
[Steelclaws:
> Even excess intake of water has
> been known to kill. Haven't you ever heard that "the dose makes the
> poison"?
[Carole]:
"Are you saying we should stop drinking water then?"
Message-ID: <DfLkp.14521$MF5.11361@viwinnwfe02.internal.bigpond.com>
What part of 'excess' did she fail to understand?
"Calcium is 99 per cent in bone but it also forms a vital part of
blood and tissues.
However, if the body gets out of balance - too much calcium in
relation to potassium, sodium, silica and magnesium (other cell salts)
the calcium comes out of solution i.e., doesn't stay in the blood -
and gets deposited around the body in the joints and tissues.
This is what probably some people refer to as ossification of the
tissues.
Once calcium has settled around the body if you take the appropriate
tissue salts it will dissolve again back into the bloodstream."
Message-ID: <9smuf1$29d$1@news.eisa.net.au>
There are 5 types of calcium-based ossification of the tissues, namely
Dystrophic Calcification, Metastatic Calcification, Calcinosis,
Chondrocalcinosis and Synovial Chondromatosis. Some of these are
caused by metabolic disorders, some are associated with overdoses of
vitamin D and any process with an elevated calcium-phosphate product.
In some cases surgery is the only way of removing these, though
treatment with biphosphonate and deferoxamine methanesulfonate has
been known to be effective.
There is also another type of ossification of the soft tissues, and
that is heterotopic ossification where bone starts growing in abnormal
places. This can be removed only by surgery.
"Silica and silicon seem to be the same mineral from what I can tell
-
sometimes it is called one and sometimes another. I can't tell the
difference."
Message-ID: <9spfvi$m3r$1@news.eisa.net.au>
Silica is SiO2 and Silicon is Si. Silica is a compound of silicon and
silicon is the element.
"Plate Tectonics is easily falsified. It fails in its essential
logic ...in its doublethink ...and in the consensus that drives it"
Message-ID: <M8pCk.379$sc2.307@news-server.bigpond.net.au>
Snipped some blatantly nonsensical links that Carole imagines prove
her claims. Neither she nor the author of those links appear to be
capable of falsifying Plate Tectonics in any way, let alone easily.
"Magnetic north pole is a circle not a point."
Message-ID: <AXgBk.38114$IK1.25806@news-server.bigpond.net.au>
This would come as a surprise to the Geological Survey of Canada,
whose job it is to determine where it happens to be sitting.
"When you work out the volume of a sphere, you assume that the entire
sphere is solid. But if the sphere is hollow it obviously doesn't
work, right?"
Message-ID: <44080d75$0$21884$5a62ac22@per-qv1-
newsreader-01.iinet.net.au>
Wrong. The volume does not change whether the sphere is solid or
hollow, which should be damn obvious even to Carole, if she stopped
and thought about it for a second.
"Tesla was responsible for many great discoveries, including radio,
television, fluorescent and neon lighting, helicopters, lasers,
particle beams and alternating current."
Message-ID: <77ed1283.0405170719.1ac57ff9@posting.google.com>
The only thing in this list that Tesla actually was responsible for is
alternating current.
"Remedies that can't be patented make no money for drug companies."
Message-ID: <a45qjt$3ll$1@news.eisa.net.au>
Obviously unpatentable drugs such as paracetamol, ibuprofein, aspirin
and a host of others out of patent drugs are unavailable because they
generate no profit. Yeah, right.
"Communism was invented by the illuminati to cause "order out of
chaos"."
Message-ID: <fcb180f1.0311061553.32005bd0@posting.google.com>
I guess Plato and Pythagoras were Illuminati then as they recommended
communal ownership - and they could have nothing to do with the
Illuminati, as the Order of the Illuminati was founded on May 1, 1776,
in Ingolstadt, with an initial membership of five, by Adam Weishaupt
(d. 1830). The Order was dissolved in 1784.
Communism in the strict sense of the term was developed by Karl Marx.
"You have heard haven't you that AIDS is a secret eugenics weapon
manufactured in the US? No? Boyd Graves found the flowchart that
shows
how it was derived from sheep visna virus in a laboratory in the US.
There is a cure too, but they're keeping it under wraps."
Message-ID: <1139155794.652740.130300@g44g2000cwa.googlegroups.com>
"AIDS is ethnic weapon developed in the U.S."
Message-ID: <fcb180f1.0304202316.42782f5d@posting.google.com>
In reality, HIV was transferred from the great apes to humans. Each of
the known HIV-1 strains is either closely related to the SIV that
infects the chimpanzee subspecies Pan troglodytes troglodytes
(SIVcpz), or to the SIV that infects Western lowland gorillas (Gorilla
gorilla gorilla), called SIVgor. These animals are hunted for food in
Africa, and transmission could have happened in either a bite or when
ingesting poorly cooked or raw meat from these animals.
"There is a lot of evidence for suppressed science."
Message-ID: <x7zAk.37424$IK1.7705@news-server.bigpond.net.au>
Not that Carole can ever produce any.
"When you consider that of the top 500 companies, the top 5 are
pharmaceutical and their profits combined are more than the other
combined companies. That's pretty profitable, isn't it?"
Message-ID: <mdMGk.3849$sc2.1546@news-server.bigpond.net.au>
The global Top 10 companies in 2010: Wal-Mart Stores, Royal Dutch
Shell, Exxon Mobil, BP, Toyota Motor, Japan Post Holdings, Sinopec,
State Grid, AXA and China National Petroleum. Not one of these is a
pharmaceutical company. So Carole is flat out wrong with this claim.
[Steelclaws:]
> Others seem to have gotten it, just not you.
> It was posted on April 1st, get it?
> The names were Lirpa and Loof. Reading them backwards makes April and
> Fool.
> Finally got it?
Carole:
"Oh, April fools day - I see.
Traditionally a day for little jokes - how kinky.
Thanks for explaining as I wouldn't have got it otherwise."
Message-ID: <NPwlp.261$aH5.0@viwinnwfe02.internal.bigpond.com>
And the "mastermind" fails to understand even the simplest thing.
"When there is so much speculation about alien or extraterrestrial
life,
why the heck would you make up a page of pure nonsense about catching
and cooking them? You have cast yourself as a flippant, light weight
researcher on a topic that a lot of people take quite seriously, and
not without reason."
Message-ID: <1113294191.762031.75440@f14g2000cwb.googlegroups.com>
"Yeah ok. Everybody keeps telling me to read this and that.
Hell I'm still trying to plough my way through
http://zapatopi.net/afdb.html "
Message-ID: <d4s9du$2kr...@austarmetro.com.au>
In which Carole shows that understanding a joke site happens only to
other people.
"Well no I don't need to provide evidence to support a claim that
cellsalts work. You need to provide evidence that your science hasn't
been manipulated."
Message-ID: <M7omo.42$Bv4...@viwinnwfe01.internal.bigpond.com>
As usual, Carole gets it wrong. As she made the claim, the burden of
proof is on her.
"And one day they might find a cause for your lack of cognitive
ability in putting 2+2 together and coming up with 4 instead of 3 or
5."
Message-ID:
<f61b82a3-85de-43b2-8ca3-1670943d9...@p7g2000prb.googlegroups.com>
I have to admit, I really don't have a clue of what this is supposed
to mean.
"If a good article is posted it will be copied. This is the nature of
the internet. Most people don't mind their articles being copied as
long as the original source is given credit."
Message-ID: <2Ktco.4364$FH2.108@viwinnwfe02.internal.bigpond.com>
"If somebody posts an article on the internet and if it is any good,
it
will be copied."
Message-ID: <Acsco.4269$Yv.1479@viwinnwfe01.internal.bigpond.com>
"Education purposes includes any and all types of education.
Since this forum is to inform, discuss and educate on alternative
health
matters, education is fair use."
Message-ID: <t7IIo.3684$gM3.2278@viwinnwfe01.internal.bigpond.com>
"What is an educator brother bob, other than anybody who includes
something for public education. I don't have to be an education
institution to have information for public education."
Message-ID: <v7Pzo.1161$gM3.856@viwinnwfe01.internal.bigpond.com>
Carole displaying complete ignorance of copyright laws. I doubt anyone
was surprised.
"Yes, I don't understand exactly how copyright works."
Message-ID: <wwcep.12557$gM3.9667@viwinnwfe01.internal.bigpond.com>
We've noticed...
"Look I've seen it on TV."
Message-ID: <IVkCp.4728$CS3.918@viwinnwfe01.internal.bigpond.com>
I've seen Mighty Mouse on TV, yet I don't believe for one second that
he exists in reality.
"I am a consumer and the customer is always right."
Message-ID: <fcb180f1.0309250609.373aa7e7@posting.google.com>
The customer is not always right.
"I use cellsalts which often have the same effect as enema -- you may
have heard the saying that something goes through a person "like a
dose of salts". No doubt this is where it originates."
Message-ID: <ljuEk.1997$sc2.1379@news-server.bigpond.net.au>
In which Carole admits that her laxatives really work as laxatives and
gets a phrase origin completely wrong.
"No
www.whale.to goes where the facts lead, no worries about fitting
in with consensus views, or views of "experts" or "reliable sources"."
Message-ID: <82YCp.4864$CS3.3746@viwinnwfe01.internal.bigpond.com>
"
www.whale.to is a source of great inspiration to many who get tired
of the establishment spin and want to see alternative views."
Message-ID: <kOPCp.4835$CS3.3036@viwinnwfe01.internal.bigpond.com>
"Scudamore's website
www.whale.to is cutting edge conspiracy theory,
and highly relevant information."
Message-ID: <g5Tpp.1427$CS3.1077@viwinnwfe01.internal.bigpond.com>
In which Carole displays a remarkable lack of critical thinking
ability.
"I think that Jon Rappaport is a reliable source."
Message-ID: <no%Bp.4673$CS3.3704@viwinnwfe01.internal.bigpond.com>
More lack of critical thinking by Carole.
"Now steelclaws, what happens when you see a person use the wrong fork
at dinner?
Do you automatically write this person off as incompetent? I would
guess so according to the way you talk."
Message-ID: <OWrfp.12958$gM3.7088@viwinnwfe01.internal.bigpond.com>
Carole, the master of inept analogy at it again.
"It takes me a long time to figure out what I know ...many years in
some cases."
Message-ID: <Zcsfp.12959$gM3.313@viwinnwfe01.internal.bigpond.com>
In which Carole displays a remarkable sluggishness of thought. Most
people do not take several years to figure out what they know.
[Martin:]
> 1) answer the question Carole: are you willing to be injected with HIV
> or not?
[Carole:]
"Being injected with things has no relation to reality since eg most
people think vaccinations are safe and harmless which may or may not
be true."
Message-ID: <7MXCp.4874$aH5.1906@viwinnwfe02.internal.bigpond.com>
Utter and total non sequitur, and an attempt to sidetrack.
"What do you know about the holocaust? Were you there?"
Message-ID: <fcb180f1.0303130927.6432fcaa@posting.google.com>
Do I really need to explain how stupid that question is?
"My sources are always valid.
What is more valid than the word and experience of the people?"
Message-ID: <4d20f58b-9be1-4881-be51-
e*0@v17g2000prc.googlegroups.com>
Erm... Something that is actually properly documented?
"People can intuit things, like animals who have instinct."
Message-ID: <T11rp.1670$aH5.127@viwinnwfe02.internal.bigpond.com>
Intuition and instinct are very different from each other.
"I am suddenly religious.
But yet not religious in the man-made sense, but in the scientific
sense."
Message-ID: <RTWzp.4280$CS3.3766@viwinnwfe01.internal.bigpond.com>
What the hell would be "religious in the scientific sense"? And, as
Carole has admitted above, she does not understand science and does
not want to learn science, why on earth would she all of a sudden
claim to be something in the scientific sense?
"However, the pharmaceutical lobby would have us believe that there is
a drug for every symptom."
Message-ID: <HBHwp.3604$aH5.1505@viwinnwfe02.internal.bigpond.com>
This is patently incorrect. Go to your nearest pharmacy or consult a
doctor and ask for a pharmaceutical drug for non-Alzheimer's dementia.
There won't be any.
> The enemy of knowledge and science is irrationalism, not
> religion. -Stephen Jay Gould
"Who else but a religious nut would say such a thing?"
Message-ID: <Fy2Do.1996$MF5.1697@viwinnwfe02.internal.bigpond.com>
In which Carole demonstrates her lack of general knowledge and
unwillingness to look anything up, as she accuses a known agnostic of
being a religious nut.
"The only true way to get rid of disease is to improve health."
Message-ID: <ZuvEp.5264$CS3.1757@viwinnwfe01.internal.bigpond.com>
Carole the master of the bleedin' obvious...
"I doubt if you'll find much of a correlation because when you talk
about somebody's sun sign, you are only taking into account one
astrological indicator.
You also need to take into account a person's rising sign and the
year
they were born."
Message-ID: <fcb180f1.0401271801.3d4a15f2@posting.google.com>
"Don't knock astrology. If its done competently it can be very
revealing."
Message-ID: <9qhj4q$am$1@news.eisa.net.au>
Is there really any sort of woo Carole does not believe in?
2. PREJUDICE AND BIAS
"I would go so far as to say that most blokes are only capable
of groupthink.
>From my experience working with blokes I would say they are poor
simple
bastards, who are incapable of thinking for themselves and just go
along
with the system, and are incapable of thinking about women any other
way
except as sex objects."
Message-ID: <lLtAk.37402$IK1.25878@news-server.bigpond.net.au>
"Good stuff Bob, just what blokes should be doing, the grunt
work ...that's what they're good for."
Message-ID: <qUchl.16376$cu.16265@news-server.bigpond.net.au>
Carole shows how prejudiced she is against men.
"The white people are the only ones with enough brains to understand
that the world is way past being overpopulated."
Message-ID: <Qh6a6.18$u6.3943@news0.optus.net.au>
Racist idiot.
"Sorry, I don't read conventional sources as they are usually biased
towards pharmaceuticals."
Message-ID: <S7Ztp.2697$CS3.536@viwinnwfe01.internal.bigpond.com>
"No, I listen to no-one unless it fits in with what I know."
Message-ID: <a66c7m$nqp$1@news.eisa.net.au>
"I read stuff from any source and will get quotes from anywhere. The
exception is skeptics and anti-alternative health sources."
Message-ID: <8mmJo.3855$gM3.3394@viwinnwfe01.internal.bigpond.com>
"That's true, I generally don't read anything that disagrees with my
views."
Message-ID: <jOYtp.2694$CS3.1932@viwinnwfe01.internal.bigpond.com>
In which Carole shows she has serious doubts about her delusions,
since she's afraid to read anything that might contradict them.
"No thankyou.
I'm not looking up any of your references because they're crap."
Message-ID: <zysio.6172$FH2.1037@viwinnwfe02.internal.bigpond.com>
"What is there to read about the article?
The heading says it all."
Message-ID: <Q8Avp.3285$CS3.2189@viwinnwfe01.internal.bigpond.com>
Judging the book by the cover.
"CCHR is the best website for the truth on psychiatric drugs. They
are
really anti."
Message-ID: <Rodio.5964$Yv.3184@viwinnwfe01.internal.bigpond.com>
Interesting bias here. If someone opposes something, that in Carole's
mind makes it the truth.
"What I meant was I only follow certain lines of enquiry that match
up
with my own experiences."
Message-ID: <_H4hp.13539$gM3.9...@viwinnwfe01.internal.bigpond.com>
Extremely bad idea, since it makes sure your results are unreliable.
"And I wish you'd drop all that german crap -- nobody can read it
except your nazi mates."
Message-ID:
<abdfb1f1-6cf4-4400-9887-21a8abe47fae@o9g2000prg.googlegroups.com>
In which Carole displays a nice prejudice, basically saying that
everyone who understands German is a Nazi.
"Don't be absurd -- lack of evidence is often enough to make a case
eg, if your very favourite net stalker doesn't reply to something
you've written, you know he's got a bad hangover."
Message-ID: <3UmBo.1604$MF5.1521@viwinnwfe02.internal.bigpond.com>
Carole seemingly believes that everyone drinks enough to get
hangovers.
"But note that I only killfile allopaths because this is an
alternative health ng, not an allopathic support group."
Message-ID: <XjQCp.4838$CS3.3359@viwinnwfe01.internal.bigpond.com>
She's admitting to a double standard here.
"Its probably her MO to suck people in then play the victim ie, no
responsibility for her actions.
She certain has no responsibility for her health as all her health
issues (whatever they are, I don't know and don't want to know) are
"genetic" thus excusing her of any responsibility in their development
through faulty living/ diet or whatever."
Message-ID: <ahwjp.14154$MF5.11594@viwinnwfe02.internal.bigpond.com>
This is one of the most disgusting things in "alternative medicine",
the tendency to blame the victim. It's especially prevalent amongst
the charlatans, who use it as an excuse when their worthless "remedy"
failed to work.
"This is a discussion group, not a nazi propaganda group.
People come before studies and most studies only reveal what people
already know."
Message-ID: <s6%qp.1665$aH5.615@viwinnwfe02.internal.bigpond.com>
Nice example of Carole Godwining herself and being incomprehensible as
well.
"You both take pharmaceutical drugs, so your opinions don't count."
Message-ID: <3l4Bk.37963$IK1.18267@news-server.bigpond.net.au>
Blatant example of Carole being prejudiced.
"I don't think people should be in this ng if they can't accept the
possibility of homeopathy."
Message-ID: <3i%np.916$aH5.603@viwinnwfe02.internal.bigpond.com>
Carole trying to drive people away because she can't handle critique.
3. BRAGGING
"I am the person who invented logic and reasoning."
Message-ID: <M7omo.42$Bv4.22@viwinnwfe01.internal.bigpond.com>
Demonstrably untrue, as evidenced by her posts.
"I do know better than the doctors on some things."
Message-ID: <Ec_wp.3628$CS3.2252@viwinnwfe01.internal.bigpond.com>
No, you most demonstrably do not know better than the doctors on
anything - and there is plenty of evidence on this list alone.
"You may be an INTJ but I bet you weren't born on the "Day of the
Problem Solver" which is my birthday. So you see it is in my
psychological profile.
Also it says that people born on this day are experts in matters of
health - so that is in my profile as well."
Message-ID: <9qsctd$o89$1@news.eisa.net.au>
"There is no way I would have uncovered this great secret unless
indeed I was born in the day of the problem solver (June 2) which
gives me unequalled ability above all other people of lesser birthdays
to make this great discovery."
Message-ID: <9sObl.11296$cu.2965@news-server.bigpond.net.au>
"Look its no use arguing with me, I am an expert, an INTJ (the
indpendent thinker and mastermind), and I was born on the Day of the
Problem Solver."
Message-ID: <rtR5o.2465$Yv.1...@viwinnwfe01.internal.bigpond.com>
"That's right bob, I am an INTJ with higher than average IQ and born
on the day of the problem solver (june 2)."
Message-ID: <QJero.1239$hz6.968@viwinnwfe02.internal.bigpond.com>
None of these claims - apart from the date of her birth - are
believable in the slightest, based on available evidence. And her
"birthday book" apparently is completely wrong.
"Any of my reporting is done without fear or favour. If I get it
wrong,
I adapt and change once I become aware of error."
Message-ID: <fcb180f1.0304291440.780a9a4@posting.google.com>
Not that anyone has ever seen Carole even to admit she's wrong, let
alone change.
"I am sure that anybody who understands about alternative health would
be in agreement with me.
And considering this is an alternative health ng nobody should be
laughing at me."
Message-ID: <oufap.11409$gM3.3453@viwinnwfe01.internal.bigpond.com>
Carole is wrong on both counts.
"I don't forget anything bob."
Message-ID: <1Isio.6175$FH2.3180@viwinnwfe02.internal.bigpond.com>
Given your demonstrable major memory problem, that is a lie.
"I have lost interest in communicating my hard fought theories to
other lesser beings."
Message-ID: <9sObl.11296$cu.2965@news-server.bigpond.net.au>
"How condescending and patronising."
Message-ID: <47866fad$0$11978$5a62ac22@per-qv1-
newsreader-01.iinet.net.au>
Yes, the first comment decidedly was that. Another example of Carole
bragging and hypocrisy.
"Yes, I mightn't have scientific qualifications but already, without
having any, I have figured out so many cures for diseases that are
supposedly incurable."
Message-ID: <lWIcl.12266$cu.4343@news-server.bigpond.net.au>
First claim is true, the second one is not. All she has managed to
figure out is how to give herself Chronic Dehydration, based on the
available evidence.
"I am the person in this newsgroup who knows more about
calcium deficiency that anybody."
Message-ID: <44300e75$0$2131$5a62ac22@per-qv1-
newsreader-01.iinet.net.au>
A demonstrable lie.
"I make more sense than anybody in this goddam group."
Message-ID: <4n0np.720$CS3.521@viwinnwfe01.internal.bigpond.com>
Yeah, right...
"Steelclaws says I will never be able to thrash her arse logically
speaking, I don't think its too hard at all considering how biased she
is."
Message-ID: <vg%Go.3076$MF5.139@viwinnwfe02.internal.bigpond.com>
She hasn't succeeded in that so far.
"I used to know a bloke who said that I wasn't normal, quite
offensive
at the time. But isn't perspective a wonderful thing, I now realise
he
was talking about IQ - his being normal but mine being a little more."
Message-ID: <39831836-0e02-432c-888b-
d*9@a39g2000prb.googlegroups.com>
Her interpretation is wrong, as all the evidence in her posts points
out to her IQ to being less than normal.
"For starters bob, any topic mentioning toxemia I win, any topic
where
rationalists are pitted against empirical medicine, I win -- just for
starters."
Message-ID:
<f61b82a3-85de-43b2-8ca3-1670943d9eed@p7g2000prb.googlegroups.com>
Delusions of grandeur.
"And I'm only a logic thinking person, but mind you I have been on
cellsalts for many years which may have helped to detoxify my brain to
an extent."
Message-ID: <43dc0d47$0$16703$5a62ac22@per-qv1-
newsreader-01.iinet.net.au>
She's not, and if her cell salts have done anything to her brain, odds
are they have shrunk it.
"I could get a degree is medicine but what's the point."
Message-ID: <fcb180f1.0301070656.1ec410a6@posting.google.com>
Given her ignorance and incompetence - as demonstrated - the only way
she could get a degree in medicine is if she bought one from a diploma
mill.
4. CONSPIRACIES AND PARANOIA
"I couldn't let this pass without mentioning the illuminati /
conspiracy
angle.
The following excerpt from the Protocols shows that inoculations /
vaccinations is part of the illuminati agenda for world control."
>From The Protocols of the Learned Elders of Zion
Protocol #10
"The recognition of our despot may also come before the destruction of
the constitution; the moment for this recognition will come when the
peoples, utterly wearied by the irregularities and incompetence--a
matter which we shall arrange for--of their rulers, will clamour;
"Away with them and give us one king over all the Earth who will unit
us and annihilate the causes of discords--frontiers, nationalities,
religions, State debts--who will give us peace and quiet, which we
cannot find under our rulers and representatives."
"But you yourselves perfectly well know that to produce the
possibility of the expression of such wishes by all the nations it is
indispensable to trouble in all countries the people's relations with
their governments so as to utterly exhaust humanity with dissension,
hatred, struggle, envy and even by the use of torture, by starvation,
BY THE INOCULATION OF DISEASES, by want, so that the goyim see no
other issue than to take refuge in our complete sovereignty in money
and in all else. "But if we give the nations of the world a breathing
space the moment we long for is hardly likely ever to arrive."
Message-ID: <43dea4e8$0$32618$5a62ac22@per-qv1-
newsreader-01.iinet.net.au>
I do not understand what on earth she imagines she will gain by
parroting from a long-discredited anti-Semitic forgery. That she
obviously believes that it is a genuine document simply shows that she
is completely ignorant and extremely gullible.
"People need enlightenment not hate filled rantings, emotive
propaganda, and fear mongering which are all trademarks of illuminati
disinformation."
Message-ID: <fcb180f1.0309261437.460a8999@posting.google.com>
So according to Carole, all anti-vaxxer liar sites are Illuminati
propaganda, as they fill her criteria perfectly.
"We're still waiting for you to explain your situation and why you
have intruded into mha."
Message-ID: <eNR9p.11178$MF5.6293@viwinnwfe02.internal.bigpond.com>
Carole the paranoid in action.
"This group is policed by skeptics, who have the official story down
pat. probably have a set of notes online to refer to as to what is the
official position and what is allowed."
Message-ID: <T9rio.6167$FH2.6079@viwinnwfe02.internal.bigpond.com>
More Carole paranoia. In reality, nobody would bother to allocate
resources to discredit Carole, since she is so adept at discrediting
herself.
[Steelclaws:]
> Argument - and a paranoid one - by assertion again. Don't you ever get
> tired of posting fallacious arguments?
[Carole:]
"No, never.
And I'll keep on doing it as long as I like because I am a conspiracy
theorist and that's my job."
Message-ID: <JPsco.4276$Yv.1549@viwinnwfe01.internal.bigpond.com>
This made me laugh. I doubt Carole understands what precisely she
blurted out in that exchange.
"Conventional medicine has it all wrong, which is a plan by the evil
controllers to rort, pollute, desecrate and destroy anything they can
get their hands on.
Pasteur was one of their men and has mislead medicine for the last
150
years."
Message-ID: <fcb180f1.0306260514.4a380721@posting.google.com>
Rort? General conspiracy paranoia and a rather incredible claim of
Pasteur's age. Hint: he did not live to be 150 years old.
"They recruit likely students out of university and do mind control on
them somehow, some sort of suggestions and objectives they are to
follow.
Don't ever remember that happening? No, they would probably have
removed the event/s from your memory."
Message-ID: <Vu1gp.13074$MF5.3084@viwinnwfe02.internal.bigpond.com>
Paranoid conspiracy nonsense.
"Don't forget David Icke's reptilian people either.
Don't get me wrong, I am a David Icke fan, but somebody might have put
those ideas into his head to make him look ridiculous."
Message-ID: <lRI8o.3337$Yv.1301@viwinnwfe01.internal.bigpond.com>
Someone did, and that someone was Icke himself.
"Its like I say steelclaws, if you can't see a conspiracy anywhere,
you're just not looking."
Message-ID: <T_4tp.2282$aH5.1361@viwinnwfe02.internal.bigpond.com>
Carole sees things again.
"There are many ways to "suppress" information blob.
Do you think that everybody who goes to visit their local GP will go
and buy a copy of this book beforehand? They merely depend on what
their GP recommends and dishes out. So yes, the information is
suppressed."
Message-ID: <af5d6a5f-
cab9-4cba-9a00-8106af7c400d@q40g2000prh.googlegroups.com>
Carole does not understand 'suppression' and imagines that a flawed
book holds all the answers.
"Is global warming really happening?
This is what I am saying, that it really isn't happening but is being
used as a mantra for public consumption to explain away weather
abnormalities which are really CLANDESTINE WEATHER MODIFICATION.
They can cause drought, ruin crops, cold snaps to destroy stone fruit
crops, hurricanes to destroy banana plantations etc."
Message-ID: <FFt1k.7662$IK1.66@news-server.bigpond.net.au>
"I don't really believe in global warming, the reason for weather
anomalies is more likely to be due to weather manipulation, although
this fact and the technology is kept from the public for obvious
reasons."
Message-ID: <45c74d37$0$25302$5a62ac22@per-qv1-
newsreader-01.iinet.net.au>
"However, personally I think our weather is being manipulated by
advanced
Tesla technology that is kept from the public's knowledge. Why not?
Prove its not being manipulated."
Message-ID: <eBhKk.6415$sc2.1059@news-server.bigpond.net.au>
"Who knows. Somebody's responsible for the drought. Weather control
was
invented nearly 100 years ago and if they [world controllers] haven't
stopped the drought, you'd at least have to be curious why they let
it
continue."
Message-ID: <1121135654.587815.116220@g44g2000cwa.googlegroups.com>
No, it was not invented 100 years ago, no matter what some unhinged
conspiracy crackpots say. There is no way weather can be manipulated
to that degree without it leaving very visible traces in the global
atmospheric conditions.
"So-called incurable disease as asthma I have the cure, but I will not
give it away to my enemies. I have worked so hard to find these cures
and I wouldn't want to cure anybody who I deem to be my enemy."
Message-ID: <9sObl.11296$cu.2965@news-server.bigpond.net.au>
Carole is very paranoid if she believes she has 'enemies'.
"The only evidence that would make me think the earth WASN'T hollow,
would be if all the coverups and suppression of inventions stopped -
but that's not likely to happen in a hurry."
Message-ID: <ebgCk.256$sc2.37@news-server.bigpond.net.au>
Non sequitur added to her usual paranoia and delusional thinking.
[Brian:]
> "Most assuredly, the patent contains NOTHING to describe nor support
> any thoery of any kind, whatsoever."
[Carole:]
"According to the article, the hollow earth theory is "highly
classified".
So you either didn't download it, or it has been sanitised or edited
to take out any meaningful information."
Message-ID: <43f705cf$0$17073$5a62ac22@per-qv1-
newsreader-01.iinet.net.au>
Carole is willing to believe a crackpot article rather than someone
who actually took a look at the patent itself. In reality, that patent
was given to a globe that shows a hollow earth model.
"There would obviously have to be a conspiracy about geology because
there's one for everything else."
Message-ID: <1112874322.989550.238660@z14g2000cwz.googlegroups.com>
Totally delusional thinking by Carole, and it also shows that if you
start with a false premise, you end up with a false conclusion.
"The people with a vested interest in maintaining the
molten iron core of the earth, are the ones who control the teaching
of science."
Message-ID:
<18f51519-47ed-4cd3-8e9c-24050b56edb9@d1g2000pra.googlegroups.com>
This makes no sense whatsoever. What vested interest there would be in
maintaining that the core of the Earth is molten?
"The US government isn't what you think it is. Back in 1871 there was
a
legal manouvre whereby a corporation called "THE UNITED STATES" was
formed in Columbia. Somehow this corporation took over the US and the
original US and works to further its own interests rather than those
of
the people."
Message-ID: <1133906360.206442.211500@g44g2000cwa.googlegroups.com>
Lolwut?
"Free energy is a suppressed technology. There are patents for free
energy devices that don't rely on fossil fuels, wind power or solar
power.
Now, if these free energy devices are suppressed so effectively, what
makes you think that conventional medicine is right?"
Message-ID: <fcb180f1.0301070656.1ec410a6@posting.google.com>
That's a mighty big if. Since "free energy" is an impossibility, there
is no reason to suppress something that does not and can not exist.
"The reason some alternative remedies are dropped isn't because they
don't work, but rather they don't fit the mindset of the ruling elite.
Anything that challenges their supremacy is a threat and put down.
Why would you assume that because therapies are dropped because they
don't work?"
Message-ID: <478416be$0$11987$5a62ac22@per-qv1-
newsreader-01.iinet.net.au>
Er... Because they have been demonstrated that they don't work?
5. INTERNAL CONTRADICTIONS AND HYPOCRISY
"Kaye, if you had even the slightest idea of how cellsalts are used,
you would know that they are used to alleviate symptoms only."
Message-ID: <_wtdp.12354$gM3.4117@viwinnwfe01.internal.bigpond.com>
"So allopathic medicine is quackery because it doesn't cure anything,
merely treats symptoms."
Message-ID: <F9omo.45$Bv4.12@viwinnwfe01.internal.bigpond.com>
Nice of Carole to admit that your cellsalts are quackery, since by her
own admission they alleviate symptoms only.
"I only know what I read from other websites about vaccinations.
And you lot only know what you've been told by "reliable sources"."
Message-ID: <fz3mp.455$CS3....@viwinnwfe01.internal.bigpond.com>
There goes another irony meter...
"To show that I can think for myself I have worked out how to get rid
of
athletes foot (fungus) using nutritional means. I never got told this
by
anybody and worked it out for myself. And what this evidence proves
is
that the pharmaceutical business with disease has been hiding it so
they
can flog their high priced crap that doesn't cure, merely treats."
Message-ID: <c0b91304-dd06-4fab-99bc-
c*f@t19g2000prd.googlegroups.com>
"I can find cures for asthma and allergies -- but they propose
lifelong
treatment for each attack."
Message-ID: <dMABk.38396$IK1.38170@news-server.bigpond.net.au>
"I can absolutely guarantee without a shadow of a doubt that I got rid
of nits with calcium supplements. I had to keep taking large amounts
of
calcium for years because they came back when I stopped taking
calcium."
Message-ID: <6l156.300$nt6.562413@news0.optus.net.au>
"I take 2000-4000mg a day of calcium. If I stop, which I did on xmas
day, the symptoms all return."
Message-ID: <aA056.295$nt6.557037@news0.optus.net.au>
"If I don't take the cellsalts it returns but so what?"
Message-ID: <xcWzp.4278$CS3.3371@viwinnwfe01.internal.bigpond.com>
In which Carole admits her cell salts are a life-long treatment while
attacking real medicine of the same. So, by her own admission, cell
salts do not cure, merely treat, and she keeps accusing
pharmaceuticals of the same.
"Well Jean-Paul, you can't say that I'm set in my beliefs. My mine is
open to any new theory that comes along, if there can be a valid
argument for it I will consider it."
Message-ID: <43dc0d47$0$16703$5a62ac22@per-qv1-
newsreader-01.iinet.net.au>
"And yes, I admit to having a mind closed tighter than a fishes arse."
Message-ID: <c6Edo.4655$FH2.1943@viwinnwfe02.internal.bigpond.com>
"Your mind is closed tighter than a fish's arse."
Message-ID: <Xs5jo.6220$Yv.4324@viwinnwfe01.internal.bigpond.com>
Carole obviously cannot decide whether her mind is open or closed, but
still accuses others of what she just admitted having.
"People shouldn't have preconceived ideas and look for evidence that
supports the preconceived ideas - this I know."
Message-ID: <Bbkeo.4771$Yv.3222@viwinnwfe01.internal.bigpond.com>
"oh and anybody who doesn't believe in homeopathy is mentally
defective / biased / a product of preconceived ideas."
Message-ID: <LIyFp.5570$aH5.4582@viwinnwfe02.internal.bigpond.com>
"My preconceived ideas have been developed over time, taking various
matters into account."
Message-ID:
<2a1df7a6-94f2-4195-814a-0df87ff6a8b2@j32g2000yqc.googlegroups.com>
"Well yes, I have my theories and I do look for evidence to fit in
with them, and I find it."
Message-ID: <Oy0oo.492$Bv4.247@viwinnwfe01.internal.bigpond.com>
If she knows that people shouldn't have preconceived ideas and look
for evidence to fit them, then why does she do that? And as usual, she
accuses others of what she has admitted having herself.
"I have an aversion to picking up faulty information, where some sort
of expert is relied on which on later investigation proves less than
reliable."
Message-ID: <wB7gp.13097$MF5.1978@viwinnwfe02.internal.bigpond.com>
"I realised it was actually much easier to think in conspiracy terms
than continually try to rationalise why nothing ever added up and to
go along with all the crap the public are fed, by "experts" and
"reliable sources"."
Message-ID: <YVa5o.2275$Yv.490@viwinnwfe01.internal.bigpond.com>
"Why don't you go and do some research amongst the altie websites
like Dr Rath's."
Message-ID: <EKRzo.1172$MF5.931@viwinnwfe02.internal.bigpond.com>
"I wouldn't let facts get in the way if I understood them - but
there's facts and facts.
You've got your facts and I've got mine. The Biochemic Handbook was
written by two doctors who no doubt had scientific qualifications and
they had their facts."
Message-ID: <9sqkpu$dbb$1@news.eisa.net.au>
"If I have to read things like the organon I can, but why bother when
there are so many books and articles available from people who have
been there, done that?"
Message-ID: <KJtlp.240$aH5.179@viwinnwfe02.internal.bigpond.com>
"If the orthopaths believe it, it is good enough for me."
Message-ID: <4796292c$0$17206$5a62ac22@per-qv1-
newsreader-01.iinet.net.au>
And Carole almost always accuses everyone else of accepting what the
experts say.
"I just don't happen to like people who falsely label others to suit
their own agendas."
Message-ID: <gEBGo.2998$gM3.1990@viwinnwfe01.internal.bigpond.com>
"That's it steelclaws, run down nutritional remedies, spin them into
something dangerous - just like the good little pharmaceutical schill
you have been trained to be."
Message-ID: <eOEyp.4029$aH5.3050@viwinnwfe02.internal.bigpond.com>
Carole was saying about not liking people who falsely label others to
suit their own agendas? Hmmm. I detect a touch of hypocrisy here. Or
maybe she just really does not like herself.
"Its all your fault bob."
Message-ID: <%Wbbp.11567$MF5.11439@viwinnwfe02.internal.bigpond.com>
"Ahh yes, its all everybody else's fault, hey bob?"
Message-ID: <%Wbbp.11567$MF5.11439@viwinnwfe02.internal.bigpond.com>
Amusingly enough, these came from a single post of hers.
"You have posted things to make yourself out as a cunt.
Would you like me to pick you up everytime you portray yourself as a
cunt?"
Message-ID: <OlCGo.2937$MF5.1253@viwinnwfe02.internal.bigpond.com>
"continue to make a cunt of yourself bob"
Message-ID: <CaDGo.2941$MF5.642@viwinnwfe02.internal.bigpond.com>
"Bob making a cunt out of himself, yet again!"
Message-ID: <4BDGo.2944$MF5.1523@viwinnwfe02.internal.bigpond.com>
"Back off cunt."
Message-ID: <4BDGo.2944$MF5.1523@viwinnwfe02.internal.bigpond.com>
"You wouldn't know an ineffective treatment if it jumped up and bit
you on the dick."
Message-ID: <jo_el.14373$cu.10484@news-server.bigpond.net.au>
"Steelclaws has now joined the ranks of Bob Officer, Happy Oyster and
Sir Crapalot.
This is due to unbefitting language either using unbefitting language
or rationalising its use."
Message-ID: <nBvEp.5267$CS3.567@viwinnwfe01.internal.bigpond.com>
Blatant hypocrisy and false accusation as well.
6. MAGICAL THINKING
"Homeopathy is what is known as a vibrational remedy. When the
solution is shaken it separates the spirit from the substance and it
is the spirit that becomes the active ingredient."
Message-ID: <k61Ao.1230$MF5.43@viwinnwfe02.internal.bigpond.com>
"The rules of how the aether works haven't been worked out and there
maybe certain things which preclude it from working such as influence
of skeptics or other."
Message-ID: <65jJo.3844$gM3.123@viwinnwfe01.internal.bigpond.com>
"Maybe negative people like James Randi influence the homeopathy
tests with his brainwaves."
Message-ID: <o1Tzo.1186$MF5.638@viwinnwfe02.internal.bigpond.com>
"Maybe James Randi knows about the electromagnetic ability (No.1
above) to neutralise homeopathy, and passed some sort of magnet over
the samples in the homeopathy experiment."
Message-ID: <ew3Ao.1238$MF5.670@viwinnwfe02.internal.bigpond.com>
"I think it is obvious that either a) James Randi's negative attitude
changed the results, or b) he did something to interfere with the
outcome as James Randi is a magician who would be aware of any tricks
of the trade to neutralise a positive result."
Message-ID: <F8PAo.1436$gM3.521@viwinnwfe01.internal.bigpond.com>
"And what I'm thinking is that Randi himself may have had an effect on
the outcome with his thoughts - thoughts are things, they are
vibrations, some people can effect things with thoughts and Randi
might have neutralised the experiment."
Message-ID: <B5Vzo.1194$gM3.554@viwinnwfe01.internal.bigpond.com>
"Note in the following all the homeopathic studies work EXCEPT where
james randi is present."
Message-ID: <6hxBo.1654$gM3.1094@viwinnwfe01.internal.bigpond.com>
This has got to be the lamest attempt to explain why homeopathy fails
tests I have ever seen. Not only is the premise pure fantasy,
homeopathy has been failing tests since 1836, long before the birth of
James Randi. Nor has he been present in every single failed homeopathy
test.
"We make our own reality, it doesn't all just happen to us."
Message-ID: <Ad0np.718$CS3.200@viwinnwfe01.internal.bigpond.com>
"You make your own reality. What you concentrate on you bring into
being."
Message-ID: <dUtnp.775$aH5.615@viwinnwfe02.internal.bigpond.com>
And that's why I'm super-rich. Not.
"Here is an interesting link I've found about how mining and taking
of
petroleum products and so forth from the earth is responsible for
much
earth upheavals and so forth, and is against the lawful treatment of
a
planet..
It derived from communications a chap called Billy Meier had with
extraterrestrials."
Message-ID: <1113164508.230052.267780@f14g2000cwb.googlegroups.com>
*facepalm*
7. ETHICS AND THE REST
"And you Wal, spend so much time following the Little Pebble case and
why for Pete's sake. So he conned a few people, so what? People get
conned every day over different things. And the parents of the girls
should have figured it out to some extent, why aren't you down on
them?
Even the girls themselves between them perhaps could have figured it
out. And what real harm was done, so Little Pebble seduced a girl or
two. I can't understand your obsession with the case."
Message-ID: <1121135654.587815.116220@g44g2000cwa.googlegroups.com>
"If a person is prepared to pay such high prices they deserve to be
ripped off."
Message-ID: <Cl_wp.3667$aH5.3203@viwinnwfe02.internal.bigpond.com>
Nice display of ethics there.
"Nobody listens to me, nobody gives me the benefit of the doubt - all
allopaths trained in pharmaceutical medicine."
Message-ID: <94a61752-a88f-40ba-
b5f9-9569fafc9dd1@d26g2000prn.googlegroups.com>
Cry on, emo kid.
"If you believe all that religion mind control rot, you set yourself
up for a lot of problems."
Message-ID: <43e0d547$0$32671$5a62ac22@per-qv1-
newsreader-01.iinet.net.au>
Since Carole is trying to recruit for her Paracelsian cult, I find
that somewhat ironic.
"I find that 1/3 tspn of bicarbonate of soda (sodium) and 1/3 tspn of
cream of tartar in a (potassium) is about right and taken with a
little water, and it will fizz up like fruit saline."
Message-ID: <OwPVk.292$Et1.48@news-server.bigpond.net.au>
That's a very large amount of laxative, especially if taken
regularily.
"I'll have to add diagnosis to my list of things that allopathy does
best - others are set bones or sew up wounds."
Message-ID: <Cl_wp.3667$aH5.3203@viwinnwfe02.internal.bigpond.com>
In which Carole apparently forgot her previous advocacy of iridology.
Maybe she's finally starting to learn.
"You debunk a lot, but don't say what you believe in. Its ok to knock
stuff but you've also got to have some ideals or beliefs of some
sort."
Message-ID: <1113294191.762031.75440@f14g2000cwb.googlegroups.com>
Eh? Why would anyone need beliefs?
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<quote>
From: "carole" <hubbca2003@yahoo.com.au>
Newsgroups: misc.health.alternative
Subject: Re: A Few Things I Know by Suzanne Humphries
Message-ID: <DjuIp.6390$CS3.6280@viwinnwfe01.internal.bigpond.com>
Date: Sat, 11 Jun 2011 05:32:19 +1000
But martin, germs are only attracted to toxic environment.
</quote>
--
http://www.twitter.com/aribertdeckers http://www.Journalist.ishttp://www.kindersprechstunde.at http://www.pharmamafia.comhttp://www.medulla.at http://www.ariplex.com/foliahttp://www.ariplex.com/pixaloid http://www.ariplex.com/lyme/lymeblogBob Officer
2012-12-06 09:05:49 EST
On Thu, 06 Dec 2012 00:17:50 +1100, in misc.health.alternative,
carole <hubbca2003@yahoo.com.au> wrote:
<snip>
>Interesting.
>
>As far as cellsalts go, ferr phos (iron phosphate) is the primary
>remedy for anything that ends in "-itis", meaning it is inflammatory.
Actually Carole it is called a generalization and sometimes
generalizations are wrong.
"-itis" can also be caused an infection, As in peritonitis. Taking
Ferrum Phosphoricum, (which is normally abbreviated in italics as
ferr phos. The italics indicate that the words are latin
abbreviations) Will not treat peritonitis with any sort of a
successful outcome.
Next you claim you take 'ferr phos', right?
http://www.herbs2000.com/homeopathy/ferrum.htmThe real truth is you are not even really taking iron phosphate. You
are taking an amalgam (un reacted mixture of chemicals) iron sulfate,
sodium acetate and sodium phosphate, mixed with enough lactose to
lower its toxicity in a homeopathic dosage.
Just a little bit of knowledge of chemistry tells a person that the
amalgam mixture of iron sulfate, sodium acetate and sodium phosphate
is not iron phosphate.
>On a personal note, I am just beginning to understand the importance
>of ferr phos in treating arthritis.
But yet you been claiming to cure all sort of ailments including all
cancers and to be an absolute authority on your cures and treatments
since before 1999.
See how you constantly end up "being made an idiot out of ..." by
your own words, Carole?
Carole, go take another dose of your sodium bicarb and cream of
tarter, you are still full of shit.
--
Bob Officer
"One of my pet hates is being made an idiot
out of ...but you go right ahead"
Carole Hubbard in Message-ID:
<RWpco.4333$FH2.4040@viwinnwfe02.internal.bigpond.com>
John H. Gohde
2012-12-06 10:29:20 EST
On Dec 6, 9:05 am, Bob Officer <.@.> wrote:
> On Thu, 06 Dec 2012 00:17:50 +1100, in misc.health.alternative,
>
> carole <hubbca2...@yahoo.com.au> wrote:
>
> <snip>
>
> >Interesting.
>
> >As far as cellsalts go, ferr phos (iron phosphate) is the primary
> >remedy for anything that ends in "-itis", meaning it is inflammatory.
>
> Actually Carole it is called a generalization and sometimes
> generalizations are wrong.
>
> "-itis" can also be caused an infection, As in peritonitis. Taking
> Ferrum Phosphoricum, (which is normally abbreviated in italics as
> ferr phos. The italics indicate that the words are latin
> abbreviations) Will not treat peritonitis with any sort of a
> successful outcome.
>
> Next you claim you take 'ferr phos', right?
>
>
http://www.herbs2000.com/homeopathy/ferrum.htm>
> The real truth is you are not even really taking iron phosphate. You
> are taking an amalgam (un reacted mixture of chemicals) iron sulfate,
> sodium acetate and sodium phosphate, mixed with enough lactose to
> lower its toxicity in a homeopathic dosage.
>
> Just a little bit of knowledge of chemistry tells a person that the
> amalgam mixture of iron sulfate, sodium acetate and sodium phosphate
> is not iron phosphate.
>
> >On a personal note, I am just beginning to understand the importance
> >of ferr phos in treating arthritis.
>
> But yet you been claiming to cure all sort of ailments including all
> cancers and to be an absolute authority on your cures and treatments
> since before 1999.
>
> See how you constantly end up "being made an idiot out of ..." by
> your own words, Carole?
>
> Carole, go take another dose of your sodium bicarb and cream of
> tarter, you are still full of shit.
>
> --
> Bob Officer
Bob suffers from Moron-itis, or is it plain old Idiot-itis?
Chopchinski
2012-12-06 15:05:08 EST
On 12/6/2012 9:05 AM, Bob Officer wrote:
> On Thu, 06 Dec 2012 00:17:50 +1100, in misc.health.alternative,
> carole <hubbca2003@yahoo.com.au> wrote:
>
> <snip>
>
>> Interesting.
>>
>> As far as cellsalts go, ferr phos (iron phosphate) is the primary
>> remedy for anything that ends in "-itis", meaning it is inflammatory.
>
> Actually Carole it is called a generalization and sometimes
> generalizations are wrong.
>
> "-itis" can also be caused an infection, As in peritonitis. Taking
> Ferrum Phosphoricum, (which is normally abbreviated in italics as
> ferr phos. The italics indicate that the words are latin
> abbreviations) Will not treat peritonitis with any sort of a
> successful outcome.
>
> Next you claim you take 'ferr phos', right?
>
>
http://www.herbs2000.com/homeopathy/ferrum.htm>
> The real truth is you are not even really taking iron phosphate. You
> are taking an amalgam (un reacted mixture of chemicals) iron sulfate,
> sodium acetate and sodium phosphate, mixed with enough lactose to
> lower its toxicity in a homeopathic dosage.
>
> Just a little bit of knowledge of chemistry tells a person that the
> amalgam mixture of iron sulfate, sodium acetate and sodium phosphate
> is not iron phosphate.
>
>> On a personal note, I am just beginning to understand the importance
>> of ferr phos in treating arthritis.
>
> But yet you been claiming to cure all sort of ailments including all
> cancers and to be an absolute authority on your cures and treatments
> since before 1999.
>
> See how you constantly end up "being made an idiot out of ..." by
> your own words, Carole?
>
> Carole, go take another dose of your sodium bicarb and cream of
> tarter, you are still full of shit.
:-D
http://tinyurl.com/839aqb3Carole
2012-12-09 02:00:15 EST
On Thu, 6 Dec 2012 07:29:20 -0800 (PST), "John H. Gohde"
<*e@gmail.com> wrote:
>On Dec 6, 9:05 am, Bob Officer <.@.> wrote:
>> On Thu, 06 Dec 2012 00:17:50 +1100, in misc.health.alternative,
>>
>> carole <hubbca2...@yahoo.com.au> wrote:
>>
>> <snip>
>>
>> >Interesting.
>>
>> >As far as cellsalts go, ferr phos (iron phosphate) is the primary
>> >remedy for anything that ends in "-itis", meaning it is inflammatory.
>>
>> Actually Carole it is called a generalization and sometimes
>> generalizations are wrong.
>>
>> "-itis" can also be caused an infection, As in peritonitis. Taking
>> Ferrum Phosphoricum, (which is normally abbreviated in italics as
>> ferr phos. The italics indicate that the words are latin
>> abbreviations) Will not treat peritonitis with any sort of a
>> successful outcome.
>>
>> Next you claim you take 'ferr phos', right?
>>
>>
http://www.herbs2000.com/homeopathy/ferrum.htm>>
>> The real truth is you are not even really taking iron phosphate. You
>> are taking an amalgam (un reacted mixture of chemicals) iron sulfate,
>> sodium acetate and sodium phosphate, mixed with enough lactose to
>> lower its toxicity in a homeopathic dosage.
>>
>> Just a little bit of knowledge of chemistry tells a person that the
>> amalgam mixture of iron sulfate, sodium acetate and sodium phosphate
>> is not iron phosphate.
>>
>> >On a personal note, I am just beginning to understand the importance
>> >of ferr phos in treating arthritis.
>>
>> But yet you been claiming to cure all sort of ailments including all
>> cancers and to be an absolute authority on your cures and treatments
>> since before 1999.
>>
>> See how you constantly end up "being made an idiot out of ..." by
>> your own words, Carole?
>>
>> Carole, go take another dose of your sodium bicarb and cream of
>> tarter, you are still full of shit.
>>
>> --
>> Bob Officer
>
>
>Bob suffers from Moron-itis, or is it plain old Idiot-itis?
He certainly is remarkably resistant to considering any evidence that
would upset his worldview.
Relies only on officially recognised double blind scientific tests.
I am not going to butt my head against a brick wall any longer. This
group is about alternative health, not scientific double blind
testing. I have heard these tests can run into millions of dollars -
its not a very efficient system. Only big pharma has the money to pay
for such tests.
--
carole
www.conspiracee.comStebain
2012-12-09 03:44:55 EST
On 12/9/2012 2:00 AM, carole wrote:
<snip>
"I've just about had enough of all these 'scientists' who think they
have the only handle on what works and what is useless. Homeopathy works
if a person knows how to apply it. Steve jobs might have died anyway.
There are a whole heap of people who die from conventional cancer
treatments, its not like they have 100% success. And the price of some
of the chemo and other drugs is through the roof. Let one person die
from alternative medicine and you never hear the end of it, yet if
someone dies from conventional allopathic medicine that's fine and par
for the course.
"Until allopathic can find the cures for all the increasing amount of
chronic diseases that plague society, and not just lifelong treatment
with 'safe and efficacious' drugs, they should back down.
"I've had successful treatments with chiropractic which saved me needing
my tonsils out, and can eliminate fungi, infections, parasites with
correct application of cellsalts taken orally - all suppressed treatments."
- Carole Hubbard, known quack in Australia
http://theconversation.edu.au/alternative-medicine-can-be-scientific-say-besieged-academics-5058John H. Gohde
2012-12-09 07:14:21 EST
On Dec 9, 3:44 am, Stebain <.@.> wrote:
> On 12/9/2012 2:00 AM, carole wrote:
>
> <snip>
>
> "I've just about had enough of all these 'scientists' who think they
> have the only handle on what works and what is useless. Homeopathy works
> if a person knows how to apply it. Steve jobs might have died anyway.
> There are a whole heap of people who die from conventional cancer
> treatments, its not like they have 100% success. And the price of some
> of the chemo and other drugs is through the roof. Let one person die
> from alternative medicine and you never hear the end of it, yet if
> someone dies from conventional allopathic medicine that's fine and par
> for the course.
>
> "Until allopathic can find the cures for all the increasing amount of
> chronic diseases that plague society, and not just lifelong treatment
> with 'safe and efficacious' drugs, they should back down.
>
> "I've had successful treatments with chiropractic which saved me needing
> my tonsils out, and can eliminate fungi, infections, parasites with
> correct application of cellsalts taken orally - all suppressed treatments."
>
> - Carole Hubbard, known quack in Australia
>
>
http://theconversation.edu.au/alternative-medicine-can-be-scientific-...
Meet the "real" M.D., the original Quack!
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