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Rhokia

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Der Obernazi Elon Musk ergreift das Ruder
« on: October 28, 2022, 09:35:16 AM »

Das ist kein bloßes "Hallo, ich bin der Neue", sondern das ist eine Kriegserklärung. Deswegen mit dem Text aus den Sreenshots als Klartext.

Ganz abgesehen davon, daß Elon Musk lügt, kann man hier schon die neue Methode sehen: ein Angriff auf die Firmen, die Werbung bei Twitter betreiben dürfen. Richtig gelesen. Dürfen!

Die Werbung wird nach ihrer angeblichen Relevanz sortiert. Das bedeutet, daß man sich als Hersteller oder Händler anstrengen muß, um seine Werbung überhaupt bei Twitter zeigen zu dürfen.

Was wird die Folge sein? Die Preise für die Werbung werden steigen. Twitter soll zur Elite werden. Zutritt nur noch für Zahlungskräftige. Dazu paßt, daß Elon Musk vor kurzem vor Aktionären nicht nur von der radikalen Verringerung der Zahl der Angestellten bei Twitter redete, sondern auch erhebliche Gewinne in Aussicht stellte. Mehr Gewinn durch weniger Ausgaben (weniger Personal) und mehr Einnahmen durch höhere Preise?

Es geht nicht um Geld? Doch, und wie!

Außer die Surfer zu schikanieren und zu zensieren ist die neue Marschrichtung darüber hinaus das Schikanieren und Zensieren der Werbenden.

Am Ranking wird sich nichts ändern. Bloß der Preis wird steigen. Alles wird teurer.

Freiheit ist unbezahlbar.

Zieht Elon Musk den Stecker!



https://twitter.com/elonmusk/status/1585619322239561728

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Elon Musk @elonmusk

Dear Twitter Advertisers
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"I wanted to reach out personally to share my motivation in acquiring Twitter. There has been much speculation about why I bought Twitter and what I think about advertising. Most of it has been wrong.

The reason why I acquired Twitter is because it is important to the future of civilization to have a common digital town square, where a wide range of beliefs can be debated in a healthy manner, without resorting to violence. There is currently great danger that social media will splinter into far right wing and far left wing echo chambers that generate more hate and divide our society.

In the relentless pursuit of clicks, much of traditional media has fueled and catered to those polarized themes, as they believe that is what brings in the money, but, in doing so, the opportunity for dialogue is lost."






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That is why I bought Twitter. I didn't do it because it would be easy. I didn't do it to make more money. I did it to try to help humanity, whom I love. And I do so with humility, recognizing that failure in pursuing this goal, despite our best efforts, is a very real possibility.

that said, Twitter obviously cannot become a free-for-all hellscape, where anything can be said with no consequences! In addition to adhering to the laws of the land, our platform must be warm and welcoming to all, where you can choose your desired experience according to your preferences, just as you can choose, for example, to see movies or play video games ranging from all ages to mature."





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"I also very much believe that advertising, when done right, can delight, entertain and inform you; it can show you a service or product or medical treatment that you never knew existed, but is right for you.
For this to be true, it is essential to show Twitter users advertising that is as relevant as possible to their needs. Low relevancy ads are spam, but highly relevant ads are actually content!"

Fundamentally, Twitter aspires to be the most respected advertising platform in the world that strengthens your brand and grows your enterprise. To everyone who has partnered with us, I thank you. Let us build something extraordinary together."


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Re: Der Obernazi Elon Musk ergreift das Ruder
« Reply #1 on: October 28, 2022, 02:46:27 PM »

THE GANG on Twitter...

Now wait for THE FAMILY: Trump, Modi, Erdogan, Jinping, Putin... and the others...
 

https://twitter.com/elonmusk/status/1578769394536452097



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Welcome back to Twitter, my friend!


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Elon Musk will die Unterwerfung der Blöden
« Reply #2 on: October 31, 2022, 07:25:30 AM »

Elon Musk will die Unterwerfung der Blöden:

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Twitter is planning to start charging $20 per month for verification / And if the employees building it don’t meet their deadline, they’ll be fired by Elon Musk.

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Er will Geld. 20 Dollar pro Monat. Das sind 240 Dollar im Jahr. Dafür bekommt man im normalen Internet mehrere Domains mit Webspace und guten Service.

Warum sollte jemand so dämlich sein, 240 Dollar aus dem Fenster zu werfen für ein dämliches blaues Häkchen?

Warum? Genetik. Die Leute SIND so kotzmäßig Blöde.
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No deals with nazis!
« Reply #3 on: November 01, 2022, 08:10:57 AM »

https://twitter.com/elonmusk/status/1587312517679878144



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Stephen King @StephenKing
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$20 a month to keep my blue check? Fuck that, they should pay me. If that gets instituted, I’m gone like Enron.

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Elon Musk @elonmusk
Replying to  @StephenKing

We need to pay the bills somehow! Twitter cannot rely entirely on advertisers. How about $8?

6:16 AM · Nov 1, 2022
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Elon Musk, go to hell!
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Elon Nazi Musk just fired half of the Twitter employees.
« Reply #4 on: November 04, 2022, 09:01:34 AM »

News is out: Nazi Elon Musk just fired half of the Twitter employees.

In other words: Chaos. Total chaos.

What will the remaining half do? Who are they? What are their jobs? Selling advertisement slots?

By the way: Musk paid 44 billion Dollars for a company which is worth only 10 billion Dollars. So he threw more than 30 billion Dollars out of the window. What for? For the fun of firing half of the employees?

Looks like ... let me calculate that ... he paid 30 billion Dollars for firing half of 7500 employees.

Well, well, that is 30000 million Dollars divided by 3750 employees.

THE ANSWER TO ALL QUESTIONS IS 8

Yes, believe it or not: Elon Musk paid 8 million Dollars for each employee.

8 million Dollars per nose. Let that sink in.  :P

https://twitter.com/elonmusk/status/1585341984679469056

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Elon Musk @elonmusk
Entering Twitter HQ – let that sink in!

[VIDEO:
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Now, wait! Just to get the figures right: Even if Elon Musk fires ALL 7500 employees, the amount per employee is 4 million Dollars.

So, how man employees Elon Musk will fire, it will cost him AT LEAST 4 million Dollars per nose.



One of the loser of the rat race:

https://twitter.com/ruchowdh/status/1588365045158727681

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Has it already started? Happy layoff eve!



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Re: Der Obernazi Elon Musk ergreift das Ruder
« Reply #5 on: November 04, 2022, 09:58:36 AM »



The important detail: Elon Musk himself shows himself carrying the kitchen sink.

Let that sink in.  :P
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Re: Der Obernazi Elon Musk ergreift das Ruder
« Reply #6 on: November 04, 2022, 10:12:04 AM »

https://twitter.com/FoxNews/status/1585596870637879296

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Fox News @FoxNews
MAKING A SPLASH!: Musk's entrance causes media meltdown as he nears Twitter takeover.
https://fxn.ws/3zk9Iot



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Re: Der Obernazi Elon Musk ergreift das Ruder
« Reply #7 on: November 04, 2022, 11:15:40 AM »

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Re: Der Obernazi Elon Musk ergreift das Ruder
« Reply #8 on: November 06, 2022, 11:09:38 PM »

Die oberschlauen Blitzgescheiten, die Überflieger der Nation...

Diese Schnellmerker. Die haben von nichts eine Ahnung, wirklich von gar nichts. Man muß sich schämen für so viel hoffnungslose Unfähigkeit.

Erst mal das Beweisstück:

https://twitter.com/sixtus/status/1588967090886971394

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Damit wäre #Twitter tot: Tweets von Absender*innen, die nicht $8 im Monat zahlen, werden wohl künftig vom Algorithmus nachrangig angezeigt. Kommt das wirklich, dann war es das.

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If you don’t pay the $8 your tweets will be suppressed by an algorithm. Not making this shit up he said it to a room of investors yesterday & claimed this would solve hate speech. “You’ll have to scroll really far to see unverified users”

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Was in dem Video gesagt wird, ist bei dem Genuschel der beiden Armleuchter, wovon einer Elon Musk ist und der andere zu seinem Glück unbenannt bleibt, fast nicht zu verstehen.

Unsere bekannten Schnellmerker regen sich darüber auf, daß man ohne das Häkchen untergehen wird.

Himmel, Arsch und Wolkenbruch! Die hintervotzige Nazi-Strategie ist doch schon von Jack Dorsey eingeführt worden. VOR JAHREN!

Aber die bekannten Schnellmerker, für alles zu blöde, würden es noch immer nicht beemerken, wenn es ihnen der Elon Musk nicht wörtlich erzählen würde. Und selbst jetzt sind sie zu dämlich um zu begreifen, WIE das ganze System Twitter funktionert - und schon ewig funktioniert hat.

Schon vor Jahren war zu bemerken, daß von Jenen, denen man folgt, immer weniger zu sehen ist, und daß man immer mehr NEUE vorgesetzt bekam. Warum war das so? Weil Twitter Einem immer neue Richtungen vorgab. Das ist genau der gleiche Scheißdreck wie bei Youtube. Man sucht dort etwas Bestimmtes, aber es werden Einem immer mehr und mehr ANDERE Dinge vorgesetzt. Es kostet sehr viel Mühe, sich den unerwünschten Müll vom Hals zu halten. ZUSÄTZLICH bekommt man immer weniger Dinge gezeigt, die man sehen will. Sie werden Einem entzogen.

Es ist ganz und gar nicht so, daß man sich frei herausuchen kann, was man sehen will. Sondern man hat zu kuschen. Wer sich bei Twitter dagegen auflehnte und sich über den angekarrten Mist beschwerte, wurde schikaniert. Und auch kurz und bündig gesperrt.

Daß man bei Twitter immer weniger angezeigt bekam von denen, denen man folgte, war erschreckend. Es kostete Mühe, nachzuforschen, was die Anderen geschrieben hatten. Es wurde Einem vorsätzlich vorenthalten. Und alles das noch ohne den Blödsinn mit den Häkchen.

Man muß das auch aus der Sicht der Statistik betrachten. Twitter zeigt einem nur eine sehr kleine Zahl von Tweets pro Stunde an. Mehr bekommt man nicht, egal wieviel die Anderen getweetet haben.

Angenommen, die Anderen haben 10000 Tweets abgeschickt. Eine Stunde hat 3600 Sekunden. Wieviel neue Tweets bekommt man innerhalb von 10 Sekunden angezeigt? Es müßten pro Sekunde rund 3 Tweets durchrauschen. Das wären in 10 Sekunden 30 Tweets, und das kontinuierlich. Geschieht das? NEIN! Warum nicht? Weil Twitter den Großteil der Tweets unterschlägt. Man bekommt nur eine Auswahl vorgesetzt:

Friß, Vogel, oder stirb!

Und das war schon vor Jahren so. Es war zum Kotzen.

Hinzu kam, und das war schon sehr bald zu sehen, daß die guten Leute aus Twitter verschwanden. Entweder wurden Sie rausgekürzt und man bekam ihre Tweets nicht mehr zu sehen, oder sie hatten die Nase voll und tweeteten nicht mehr. Oder sie löschten ihre Accounts.

Auf Twitter war (fast) nur noch Straßenpöbel. Und das schon vor Jahren. Auch das ist einer der Gründe, warum so viele Leute ausstiegen.

Daß Twitter die Bots nicht gesperrt hat (trotz zahlreicher Meldungen!), kommt noch hinzu.

Daß Twitter Lügner, Verleumder und Betrüger nicht gesperrt hat (trotz zahlreicher Meldungen!) kommt ebenfalls hinzu.

Schon vor Jahren war Twitter eine unerträgliche Kloake.

Aber wenigstens waren die eingehenden Tweets noch als EIN STRANG zu sehen und zu durchsuchen - und zu speichern - oder mit C+P zu markieren und zu kopieren. Aber das ist inzwischen von den Obervollidioten bei Twitter zerstört worden. Wer einen Strang kopieren will, kann sich unter Umständen auf mehrere Stunden Arbeit gefaßt machen. Lange Stränge sind überhaupt nicht mehr zu bekommen. Die Technik bei Twitter ist nur noch beschissen, und mit dieser Aussage halte ich mich noch sehr zurück.

Daß Elon Musk für den Müllhaufen Twitter 44 Milliarden Dollar aus dem Fenster geworfen hat, ist eine Sache. Daß er nunmehr durch seine saudämlichen Eskapaden die Werbe-Kunden, und nicht nur die, sondern nahezu die gesamte Surfer-Szene gegen sich PERSÖNLICH aufbringt, eine andere, denn die trifft (folgerichtig) das, was er bisher gemacht hat: Tesla. Wer will heute noch einen Tesla kaufen? Elon Musk hat in seiner Dämlichkeit nicht nur Twitter und sich selbst abgeschossen, sondern auch Tesla.

Adios, Elon Musk, fahr zur Hölle!
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Ayumi

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Re: Der Obernazi Elon Musk ergreift das Ruder
« Reply #9 on: November 07, 2022, 02:09:17 AM »

Wie verlogen Elon Musk ist, kann man sich leicht ausrechnen: Wenn die Leute auf seine Lüge hereinfallen, sie würden bevorzugt behandelt und stiegen im Ranking, dann ist die nächste Frage, wieviele das sind.

Angenommen, es sind 100.000 Trottel, die für den blauen Quatsch bezahlen. Wie wird innerhalb dieser 100.000 das Ranking verlaufen? Wie boxt man sich in einer riesigen Masse von 100.000 Leuten nach oben? Indem man mehr bezahlt? Das wäre dann eine glatte Erpressungsmethode durch Elon Musk.
Zahlen Alle den gleichen Betrag, wer ist dann gleicher als gleich und kommt nach oben?

Je größer die Zahl der Bezahler, desto weiter sinken sie nach unten.

Nehmen wir ein mehrklassiges Ranking an:

1. Trottel, die       8 Dollar pro Monat bezahlen
2. Trottel, die     20 Dollar pro Monat bezahlen
3. Trottel, die 1000 Dollar pro Monat bezahlen

Es gibt ja auch welche, die einen horrenden Betrag für verbrannte Haare bezahlen.

Wer würde bei dieser Olympiade "Wer ist der größte Depp?" mitmachen? Firmen, die das als Werbungskosten einkalkulieren. Dazu müßten sie allerdings auch Inhalte bieten können.

Schröer hat sich für seine Reklameschleuder T-Online den Luxus geleistet, einen guten Journalisten einzustellen (hoffentlich für sehr viel Geld), der ihnen die Inhalte liefert.
Elon Musk hat es leichter: Der will, daß die Leute sich prostituieren und ihm ihre Inhalte auf die Plattform werfen. Er verlangt dafür sogar Geld von ihnen.

Daß die blauen Angelhaken ein Zeichen für Blödheit sind, hat sich inzwischen herumgesprochen. Daß etliche Werbekunden nicht mitspielen und nicht mehr buchen, ist auch schon raus. Aus rein persönlicher Rache will Elon Musk die Abspringer öffentlich bloßstellen. Damit schießt er sich aber ins Knie. Weil es eine Liste aufrechter Firmen gibt, in der die Abspringer gelistet sind. Als Helden. Elon Musk fällt also auch damit auf die Schnauze.

44 Milliarden Dollar bezahlt für einen Haufen Scheiße.

Seine Lügen und seine große und dumme Schnauze verprellen die Werbekunden und die Surfer. Und das schlägt auf Tesla. Womit auch Tesla den Bach runter geht.

Auf die Liste aufrechter Firmen bin ich gespannt.

Ein Bonbon könnte ich mir außerdem vorstellen: Daß die abgesprungenen Werbekunden eine Konkurrenz-Plattform hochziehen. Das können die locker. Es würde reichen, eine alte und bekannte Plattform (was für eine auch immer) mit einem guten Ruf zu kaufen, den ganzen alten Kram rauszuschmeißen und von Grund auf eine neue Site hochzuziehen.
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Vorschlaghammer gegen demn Kriminellen Elon Musk
« Reply #10 on: November 07, 2022, 07:03:51 PM »

Elon Musk hat mehrtausendfach gegen geltende Gesetze verstoßen. Das wird ihn jetzt Geld kosten. Sein Ruf ist sowieso im (Heiko Maas).

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"Sledgehammer" gegen Elon Musk

Diese Topanwältin vertritt die gefeuerten Twitter-Mitarbeiter

Shannon Liss-Riordan zwang bereits Uber, Starbucks und FedEx in die Knie. Jetzt vertritt die US-Topanwältin die per Mail gefeuerten Mitarbeiter von Twitter. Elon Musk hat Grund, "Sledgehammer-Shannon" zu fürchten.
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Höchste Zeit für den Umzug in ein neues Netzwerk. Allaxys gibt es ja schon. Aber man kann auch ein neues starten.  8)
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Clueless Elon Musk got a lesson he does not understand
« Reply #13 on: November 14, 2022, 06:42:36 PM »

Clueless Elon Musk got a lesson he does not understand.

As far as I understood Eric Frohnhoefer is invited by reddit for a job.

Elon Musk does a really good job. If you think, that destroying 44 billion Dollars is a job, that is.

It is a lesson to Elon Musk, and Elon Musk is too daft to learn.


https://twitter.com/elonmusk/status/1592186302379982849

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Eric Frohnhoefer @ 🏡 @EricFrohnhoefer
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I have spent ~6yrs working on Twitter for Android and can say this is wrong.

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Btw, I’d like to apologize for Twitter being super slow in many countries. App is doing >1000 poorly batched RPCs just to render a home timeline!

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I have been a developer for 20 years.  And I can tell you that as the domain expert here you should inform your boss privately. 

Trying to one up him in public while he is trying to learn and be helpful makes you look like a spiteful self serving dev.


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Maybe he should ask questions privately. Maybe using Slack or email.  🤷‍♂️
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Elon Musk @elonmusk
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He’s fired

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Elon Musk says he fired engineer who corrected him on Twitter
« Reply #14 on: November 14, 2022, 06:50:26 PM »

'Elon Musk says he fired engineer who corrected him on Twitter'...? Oh well, Elon Musk fired so many. But this incident is fun. Because it shines a light on the BIG BOSS as being quite hollow.

And his being great? If stupidity makes small, he could go parachuting under the carpet.

Here is a well-researched article, full with links to the various sources:

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Elon Musk says he fired engineer who corrected him on Twitter
/ Several people have called out Musk’s tweet about Twitter’s poor performance. One of them seems to have given up their job by doing so.


By Mitchell Clark
Nov 14, 2022, 8:43 PM UTC|

Elon Musk in front of the Twitter logo.
Pro tip: if you care about keeping your job, you probably shouldn’t tweet about how your boss’s “simps” are pro “dickriders.” Illustration by Kristen Radtke / The Verge; Getty Images

Twitter has seen thousands of layoffs, departures, and resignations since Elon Musk took over, but one of the latest staffing changes appears to have been personal — the company’s new CEO tweeted that Eric Frohnhoefer, an employee who had publicly argued with him on the platform, had been fired.

The saga started on Sunday, when Musk tweeted an apology for Twitter being slow in “many countries” and implied that the poor performance is because the app does over 1,000 “poorly batched” remote procedure calls to load the home timeline — basically saying the app has to reach out to other servers a bunch of times and wait for a response for each request. Frohnhoefer, who tweeted that he’s spent six years working on Twitter for Android, quote retweeted Musk’s statement saying it was incorrect. Musk has done the same thing several times in response to news stories about his companies, but unlike those instances, Frohnhoefer actually went on to provide an explanation for why he thought his boss’s tweet was incorrect.

According to Frohnhoefer, Twitter actually makes zero remote procedure calls, or RPCs. Instead, he says, when the app starts up, it makes around 20 background requests. Seemingly to clarify his original tweet, Musk then responded, “The fact that you don’t realize that there are up to 1200 ‘microservices’ being called when someone uses the Twitter app is not great.” Frohnhoefer disagreed again, tweeting that the “number required to generate the home timeline is closer to 200 than 1200.”
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Re: Der Obernazi Elon Musk ergreift das Ruder
« Reply #15 on: November 15, 2022, 01:08:44 AM »

Elon Musk bekommt Prügel.  :P


https://twitter.com/MattGallagher0/status/1592187777545797633

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You fired him for knowing more than you, might as well fire everyone then, if those are the grounds

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Re: Der Obernazi Elon Musk ergreift das Ruder
« Reply #16 on: November 15, 2022, 01:58:58 AM »

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Re: Der Obernazi Elon Musk ergreift das Ruder
« Reply #17 on: November 20, 2022, 04:36:43 AM »

https://twitter.com/ReynoldFinnegan/status/1593375938133139456

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Critical B @criticalsfl
Nov 17
Replying to  @duck_spawner @sociomateria and 6 others
LMAO. You are delusional.

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Duck 🐀 @duck_spawner
Nov 17
Replying to @criticalsfl @sociomateria and 6 others
Are you denying that he didn’t buy those companies?

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Critical B @criticalsfl
Nov 17
Replying to @duck_spawner @sociomateria  and 6 others
100% denying it.  You have done exactly zero research into it, obviously. It would take you about 3 minutes to Google it, read a bit, learn that you were wrong, and probably not respond because you are embarrassed.

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Eliza November @ElizaNovaBomb
Nov 17
Replying to @criticalsfl @duck_spawner and 6 others
Tesla was founded (as Tesla Motors) on July 1, 2003 by Martin Eberhard and Marc Tarpenning in San Carlos, California.[2][3][4]

The three went looking for venture capital (VC) funding in January 2004[2] and connected with Elon Musk, who contributed US$6.5 million of the initial

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Critical B @criticalsfl
Nov 17
Replying to @ElizaNovaBomb @duck_spawner and 6 others
Cute. How convenient that you, intentionally, and dishonestly, left this part out if your Wiki copy paste:

"A lawsuit settlement agreed to by Eberhard and Tesla in September 2009 allows all five – Eberhard, Tarpenning, Wright, Musk, and Straubel – to call themselves co-founders.

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Eliza November @ElizaNovaBomb
Nov 17
Replying to @criticalsfl @duck_spawner and 6 others
So he also bought the title founder, doesn't make him one.

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Critical B @criticalsfl
Nov 17
Replying to @ElizaNovaBomb @duck_spawner and 6 others
You are stretching. Clearly you just can't accept facts due to your deeply held bias. But let's move on.  Now do SpaceX and show that Elon merely bought it. This should be good...

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ইন্তিমাম 📸 ☭ @demonheadmum
Nov 17
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Reynold E Finnegan@ReynoldFinnegan
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This thread says even Elon’s Ph’D is a lie.  Check my TL.   It’s a long detailed thread.
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This thread will be long. Finding the key contradictions took just a few hours, back in May, but it’s important to be complete. So I’ll go through it all, and why it’s dangerous for the US.

Please retweet. Sunshine disinfects. All sources are at http://bit.ly/ElonMuskThread

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capitolhunters @capitolhunters
Nov 17
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His bio describes Elon’s college years. Queens: “went to the least number of classes possible.” Penn: ”video game binges that went on for days.” He lived in a party house with glow-in-the-dark decor, 500-person ragers. But “it's difficult to find..students who remember him” 10/

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capitolhunters @capitolhunters
Nov 17
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In the go-go 1990s, the internet was new & investors moved fast. In 1996 Mohr Davidow Ventures offered $3M for Global Link. On Aug 15, just 8 months after its startup, the change was official: Rich Sorkin was named CEO, and Elon became Secretary. They renamed it Zip2.
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capitolhunters @capitolhunters
Nov 17
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Nowadays a 1-year overstay means you’d be deported, could be barred for 3 years. In the 1990s, there might be workarounds. But what were Mohr Davidow’s options? Elon wouldn’t qualify for an EB-1 “genius” visa: 8 months of “hairball” code doesn’t prove “extraordinary ability” 14/
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Nov 17
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PART C - DEGREES. Again, we care about Elon’s degrees because HE cares - a lot. He’s made Physics part of his identity. He talks about it so much there’s a highlight reel. The 27-year lie is his persona. 17/
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Elon Musk on studying physics
Elon Musk roots knowledge tree in Physics (Modernist)Credit: George Hotz | What is programming?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=N2bXEUSAiTI
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capitolhunters @capitolhunters
Nov 17
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So let’s walk through the evidence on his degrees carefully: 1) evidence from lawsuits (subpoenas and depositions), 2) Elon’s coursework, 3) statements from Penn, 4) false statements to his biographer. 19/
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capitolhunters @capitolhunters
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In 2009, ousted Tesla Motors founder Martin Eberhard also sued, & again attacked Elon’s Physics degree claim. Eberhard reused material from the earlier suit, and added lies found in official SEC filings. This time it seems it was successful, since Elon settled out of court.  24/
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capitolhunters @capitolhunters
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3 - Penn statements:  Penn’s Wharton School regularly claims Elon, world’s richest man, as an alumnus, but the Physics Dept. seems never to have done so. In their congrats to 1997 graduates, there’s no Elon.  26/

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Re: Der Obernazi Elon Musk ergreift das Ruder
« Reply #18 on: November 20, 2022, 04:39:25 AM »

The shitty Google web-space does not give direct links. So I use the URL of the Google web-space.

Here is the "Elon thread"

https://drive.google.com/drive/folders/1zPeWaaCZHqfq0tnkPwc61A6bGHySdj91

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Elon thread

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Someone has to say it: Elon Musk has lied for 27 years about his credentials. He does not have a BS in Physics, or any technical field. Did not get into a PhD program. Dropped out in 1995 & was illegal. Later, investors quietly arranged a diploma - but not in science. 1/ (thread symbol)

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Degree, business plan 1995, SEC filing  2002

2009: “Musk has falsely claimed to have a degree in Physics from the University of Pennsylvania that he obtained in 1995, when in fact he has no such degree and the only degree he holds was obtained later than that. Upon information and belief, Musk’s only known undergraduate degree is a Bachelor’s of Science in Economics, obtained from the University of Pennsylvania in 1997.”


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This thread will be long. Finding the key contradictions took just a few hours, back in May, but it’s important to be complete. So I’ll go through it all, and why it’s dangerous for the US.

Please retweet. Sunshine disinfects.
All sources at bit.ly/ElonMuskThread
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Link to source document -. Screenshot of front page if it doesn’t automatically show

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Catching Elon in a lie isn’t hard. In 2013: “I had to [stay in school]..otherwise I’d get kicked out of the country.” (This is correct.) Then “since I already had my undergrad, I could..get an H1-B visa” (That’s a lie). In 1995 he had no degree, so no visa. He was illegal. 3/

Video clip of SXWS
40:22 If the goal is to start a company, I would say no point in finishing college. In my case I had to, otherwise I’d get kicked out of the country. So that was important, but..
Interviewer: Although you went on, and got a master’s degree as well, right?
I came out to Silicon Valley to do a PhD at Stanford in Applied Physics and Materials Science, to work on ultracapacitors for use in electric cars. That’s what I was going to do, and then I sort of put that on hold to start a company. But since I already had my undergrad, I could then get an H1-B visa and that sort of thing. The H1-B visa requires a degree. But other than that, if that wasn’t the case, I probably would have stopped education sooner. “ 41:09



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To be clear: no one cares about the degree; the immigration violation is history. What matters is Elon’s Big Lie, pretending to be what he isn’t. The academic “stolen valor” subverts judgment (“but he’s a genius!”). And it opens him to influence. It makes him a security risk. 4/

Make compilation video
2012 - Caltech
2:41-2:54
2:41-3:18 “So I studied - uh - Physics and Business because I figured in order to do a lot of these things you need to know how the universe works and you need to know how the economy works
2013: Yeah yeah. I did a dual undergrad in Physics and Business at Wharton.
quotes about the importance of physics
2013 - SXSW
48:37-49:23
Q:  “What’s the best advice you’ve ever got?” A  “Well, I think that - uh - physics training is a very good training, where it’s a good framework for reasoning where you’re trained to think about first principles and reason from there, and that means boiling things down to the most fundamental truths, and then  connecting those truths in a way to try to understand how reality is - because physics has this problem with trying to figure out things that are totally counterintuitive - and so they had to have a framework for getting there. Like quantum mechanics is incredibly counterintuitive  - uh - but it’s true.”
2015 - Stanford
Elon “that's not exactly advice. That has been encapsulated into time-warping wisdom. Yeah, exactly like wisdom. I mean there's a lot of things. Listen more to critical feedback. A lot of things I learned in college actually were pretty helpful.
11:30-11:58
I mean, I think the physics approach to thinking is very good-- like the first principles approach. And you applied that broadly? Yeah, applying the first principles in process of thinking is, I think, a good way to figure out counter-intuitive situations. And I thought that was really a helpful thing to learn.


5 Elon’s key influences are the “PayPal Mafia” capos, Peter Thiel & David Sacks. They urged him to buy Twitter, advise him on running it. Both with childhoods in apartheid S. Africa, angry culture wars at Stanford, now working on Thiel’s ‘political project’ to upend democracy. 5/

graphic from Stanford Politics, with Thiel and Sacks circled

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So Elon matters, & people around him are not America’s friends. Someone has to call out the secrets. Many people know - Elon’s been sued over the fake degree - but even as Twitter tanks, no one has the guts to talk. Silicon Valley’s the last place to lecture us on free speech. 6/

Elon tweets with Sacks influence + WSJ quotes



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@twittersafety (if anyone’s left): this thread describes public evidence about a public figure; it’s not a violation. It’s citizen journalism.  Also remember the “Streisand Effect”: suspending this account would make the story go bigger. I would go public. It would be news. 7/

Elon tweet screenshot

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Outline
A. Review: from college to Zip2 (9-12)
B. No visa (13-16)
C. No Physics degree (17-30)
D. No PhD acceptance (31-44)
E. Quitting Twitter’s board (45-48)
F. Why it matters: national security (49-52)
G. Things to do (53-60)
H. Thoughts (61-XX)
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PART A - REVIEW. Elon Musk moved from South Africa to Canada in 1989, did odd jobs for a year, then enrolled at Queen’s Univ., where he wore logos from the business program: “QC” = “Queen’s Commerce”. After 2 years, he transferred to Penn. At this point he’d be on an F-1 visa. 9/

Photo in business school uniform


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His bio describes Elon’s college years. Queens: “went to the least number of classes possible.” Penn: ”video game binges that went on for days.” He lived in a party house with glow-in-the-dark decor, 500-person ragers. But “it's difficult to find..students who remember him” 10/

Screenshots of magazine page, annotated with book title and source (excerpted Esquire)


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After 3 years at Penn, Elon left for CA with brother Kimbal, tried to catch the internet wave. They rented a Palo Alto office, slept in it when not coding. By Nov 3, 1995, Elon filed to incorporate “Global Link Information Network Inc.”, a kind of online business directory. 11/

Filing:. Screenshot of search page. Picture of Elon and Kimbal (from site builder report)
Business filing


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In the go-go 1990s, the internet was new & investors moved fast. In 1996 Mohr Davidow Ventures offered $3M for Global Link. On Aug 15, just 8 months after its startup, the change was official: Rich Sorkin was named CEO, and Elon became Secretary. They renamed it Zip2.
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Screenshot of filing



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PART B - THE VISA. Mohr Davidow now had a problem: Elon was undocumented. This is indisputable. If he’d finished a degree, he could have gone on OPT - starting a business counts as “practical training”. But as a dropout, there’s no legal path to stay. 13/

Screenshot of visa regulations - overstaying a student visa

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Nowadays a 1-year overstay means you’d be deported, could be barred for 3 years. In the 1990s, there might be workarounds. But what were Mohr Davidow’s options? Elon wouldn’t qualify for an EB-1 “genius” visa: 8 months of “hairball” code doesn’t prove “extraordinary ability” 14/

Screenshot of visa requirements
https://www.uscis.gov/working-in-the-united-states/permanent-workers/employment-based-immigration-first-preference-eb-1

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Elon mentions the H1-B “specialty occupations” visa many times. Those were easier to get in the 1990s than now, but still had a hard criterion: you need an undergrad degree. And Elon didn’t have one. He couldn’t even apply til he somehow managed to get a diploma. 15/

Screenshot of requirements
https://www.uscis.gov/working-in-the-united-states/h-1b-specialty-occupations

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Elon didn’t have the $1M in non-US money he’d need for an EB-5 “immigrant investor” visa. Mohr Davidow could quietly stake him some, but that’s not legal. Of course, hiring an undocumented worker isn’t legal either. So dodgy things happened in 1996. By 1997, a path was found. 16/

Video compilation
2022
35:13 “for my first company Zip2, I had no money, so I could not invest in Zip 2” to 35:19

DON’T USE
2003: 44:15 “Thing were pretty tough in the early going -I didn’t have any money in fact I had negative money a huge student debt. I couldn’t afford a place to stay and an office so I rented an office instead”  “I got a cheaper office than I could get a place to stay. I just slept on the futon..”



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PART C - DEGREES. Again, we care about Elon’s degrees because HE cares - a lot. He’s made Physics part of his identity. He talks about it so much there’s a highlight reel. The 27-year lie is his persona.17/

Video link: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NSkJTkhLYxA

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Why the lie? A Physics degree isn’t even that useful for Elon’s career. Martin Eberhard and Marc Tarpenning, founders of Tesla Motors, have what you’d actually want: CS and Electrical Engineering. But “Physics” does that to some people. It’s a kind of status worship. 18/

Bio screenshot of Tesla founders, highlighted

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So let’s walk through evidence carefully: 1) evidence from lawsuits (subpoenas and depositions), 2) Elon’s coursework, 3) statements from Penn, 4) false statements to his biographer. 19/

Screenshot of contradictions again with highlights


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1 - Lawsuits. Here’s the story of how we have Elon’s diplomas. In 1995, Elon interviewed at a startup, then ghosted them, started Global Link instead. The owner sued, alleging Elon swiped his business plan. The case hinged on deception, since borrowing ideas is legal. 20/

Cover sheet of lawsuit, page showing claim of computational physics

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To get the interview, Elon said he was a Stanford PhD student, with degrees in Computational Physics & Finance. The plaintiff called that fraud & subpoenaed Penn. It seems Elon was indeed given two diplomas, but only in 1997, and the 2nd one has no department. 21/

The diplomas

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Note that pulling strings at Penn’s Wharton School is not that big a scandal. Credentialing unstudious elites is part of Wharton’s game: Trump & Trump Jr are grads too. But Penn Physics is small, just a handful of graduates, and holding their reputation requires standards. 22/

Article on Trump’s donation (long), article on Trump being absent

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Elon had to sit for a deposition as part of the 2007 lawsuit. He was grilled about saying “Computational Physics”, which doesn’t exist at Penn. When asked about the blank diploma, he evaded. Elon’s been talking his way out of situations for a long time. He won the suit. 23/

More Screenshots - maybe a closeup

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In 2009, ousted Tesla Motors founder Martin Eberhard also sued, & again attacked Elon’s Physics degree claim. Eberhard reused material from the earlier suit, and added lies found in official SEC filings. This time it seems it was successful, since Elon settled out of court.  24/

Repeat from Tweet 1
“Musk has falsely claimed to have a degree in Physics from the University of Pennsylvania that he obtained in 1995, when in fact he has no such degree and the only degree he holds was obtained later than that. Upon information and belief, Musk’s only known undergraduate degree is a Bachelor’s of Science in Economics, obtained from the University of Pennsylvania in 1997


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2 - Coursework. We know Elon did try Physics, but was academically behind. That’s clear from homework he posted: he’s a 3rd-year in 2nd-year Mechanics. It’s a red flag for someone who skips a lot of class. Some prodigies can ace tests without classes - but they aren’t behind. 25/

Screenshot of Twitter post:

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3 - Penn statements:  Penn’s Wharton School regularly claims Elon, world’s richest man, as an alumnus, but the Physics Dept. seems never to have done so. In their congrats to 1997 graduates, there’s no Elon.  26/

Screenshot from  daily Pennsylvanian

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Penn Arts & Sciences (which includes Physics), HAS called Elon a Physics alum, in one context: a bio for the “Elon Musk Public Lecture, made possible through a generous endowment gifted to the Center for Particle Cosmology in 2009”. Gifted the year of Elon’s deposition. 27/

https://www.sas.upenn.edu/events/ElonMusk2022

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3 - False statements to his biographer. In 2015, Ashlee Vance put out a gushing bio of Elon. At some point he noticed that Elon’s degrees came 2 years late and asked about it, but then just accepted Elon’s strange answers, & shoved them in an appendix. They don’t hold up. 28/

Screenshot, highlighted

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Elon explained his delayed diplomas by saying he had a minor problem at Penn: he hadn’t fulfilled his Language and History requirements, and when those were later dropped he got the degrees. But Penn has not dropped its Language and History requirements. 29/

Screenshot of Penn requirements

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Elon also said he got so tied up in coding he “forgot” he hadn’t graduated. Just - no. No foreign student “forgets” about their visa status. (Note how Elon glides over being undocumented).

Even without the diploma, the inconsistencies should have tipped reporters off. 30/

Highlight statement

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PART D - STANFORD. Lots more contradictions about Elon’s supposed acceptance to Stanford, so here’s the summary as a reminder. 31/

Screenshot of summary again, with Stanford stuff highlighted

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In 1995, Elon claimed to be a Stanford PhD student in Materials Science and Engineering, but his story has morphed over time. Stories put him in any of 3 different departments at Stanford – MSE, or Applied Physics, or Physics -  and sometimes even combine them. 32/

Collage  of lawsuit , articles

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For example, here Elon says “Applied Physics and Materials Science”. Again, no one forgets what they applied for. If a football player is drafted by the LA Rams, he doesn’t later say he was going to join the LA Lakers, or the LA Dodgers, or the “Ram Dodgers” . 33/

Video:
2003: ““I originally came up California to do energy physics at Stanford, actually”
2013 “I came out to Silicon Valley to do a PhD at Stanford in Applied Physics and Materials Science”
0:20-0:28  in clip

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Somehow, faced with Elon’s wealth, no one flags the contradictions.  In 2015, Stanford’s former president John Hennessy introduced Elon with “He arrived at Stanford to pursue his PhD In Physics, but left after two days”.  Elon didn’t correct him. 34/

Video clip 2015

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Elon’s deposition makes it clear he was not accepted to ANY department. He dodges saying which (“I spoke to…the Chairman of Science”), then talks about when he would pay tuition. But no science PhD student at Stanford pays tuition. Elon never saw an offer letter. 35/

Screenshot

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Everyone should have had questions from the start. How could Elon start a PhD if he hadn’t graduated? He had 2 fantastical explanations. In 2009, he said Stanford had agreed he could do the PhD anyway, then go back and finish undergrad AFTER. Unheard of. 36/

Screenshot of deposition

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In 2015 he told Vance a different story: that Penn and Stanford had made a special arrangement for him, and he would finish his undergrad WHILE doing his PhD. Also unheard of. And Elon was a nobody at that point. No investors to smooth his path. 37/

Screenshot

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What happens in real life, is: if a student doesn’t finish his undergrad, his graduate admission is rescinded. In June. He’s done; he doesn’t set foot on campus. And if he’s on an F-1, he cannot work in the US and has to leave the country. Elon knows this. 38/

Short version of Tweet 3 video clip

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The lawsuits forced Stanford to make a formal comment on Elon’s PhD stories. In Dec. 2008, Stanford’s Dean of Graduate Admissions, Judith Haccou, answered a subpoena with a terse response “...we are unable to locate a record in our office for Elon Musk”. 39/

Haccou letter

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The story now gets disturbing. When Vance asked questions, Elon gave him a letter purportedly sent by Haccou in June 2009 attesting personally “you applied and were admitted to the graduate program in Material Science Engineering [sic]” It reads like a hostage video.. 40/

“As per special request from my colleagues in the School of Engineering, I have searched Stanford’s admission data base and acknowledge that you applied and were admitted to the graduate program in Material Science Engineering in 1995. Since you did not enroll, Stanford is not able to issue you an official certification document.”

https://twitter.com/capitolhunters/status/1528638931486613505

Annotate screenshot

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..so strained it’s not believable. It made me feel ill: did someone pressure her to write that, to appease Elon? But maybe.. it’s a fake. Stanford’s lawyers would not let her contradict a filing in an ongoing lawsuit. And a 30-year employee wouldn’t misspell the department. 41/

Obit for Haccou: https://news.stanford.edu/report/2020/12/04/judith-haccou-former-director-graduate-admissions-died-69/

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Bizarrely, Vance didn’t call Haccou to confirm. She died in 2019.

Most likely, Elon never applied to grad school. The 2007 lawsuit quotes an article saying he moved to CA on the advice of Queen’s U. business professor, to meet investors. Elon was in business, not science. 42/

Eberhard vs. Musk 52.0 P. 34

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Last item to cover: this year Elon posted a gushing letter from Bill Nix, former chair of Stanford MSE “who would have been my professor.” This means less than it might seem. Nix doesn’t remember him from 1995. He’s reaching out to a potential donor after Elon mentioned him..43/

Screenshot : https://twitter.com/elonmusk/status/1560720224588120064

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..in an interview the week before. No surprise: if you’re the richest man in the world, people say nice things about you.

Note: Elon says his PhD topic was “advanced capacitors and batteries to improve the energy density for electric vehicles”. Nix worked on neither in 1995.  44/

Video clip of Tesla owners interview + Jurvetson

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PART E - QUITTING TWITTER’S BOARD. Given how many secrets Elon has, it was a surprise when he agreed to join Twitter’s board. The letter he signed on April 4 2022 agreed to a background check. Anything about degrees and visas was going to come out. 45/

https://www.sec.gov/Archives/edgar/data/1418091/000119312522095651/d342257dex101.htm

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The board idea cratered fast - you can see it unravel. Apr. 5-7 Elon and CEO Parag are cheerfully planning. Apr. 8 10:11 PM  Elon suddenly sends Parag a screenshot from 1 min before & “I’m so sick of this”. That’s it. By 3:20 AM he is texting Kimbal about creating a new Twitter. 46/

Text screenshots, highlighted
   
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The next morning, Apr. 9, he tells Twitter: “expect a take private offer” - a hostile takeover. The screenshot seems like Elon’s “Rosebud” moment. Of course he’s impulsive, could be random, but later events do suggest hidden secrets, since in August…47/

More texts, maybe a link

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…as Twitter fought to make Elon pay up, he subpoenaed Stanford to ask if they’d talked to Twitter. What was he looking for? We may never know. In September, Twitter made his texts public. Elon caved within a week & agreed to buy, ending the lawsuit. 48/

Stanford Daily article link
https://stanforddaily.com/2022/08/31/elon-musk-subpoenas-stanford-in-legal-battle-with-twitter

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PART F - NATL. SECURITY. A Twitter owner can do a lot of damage. By spreading disinfo if Twitter survives. Or by letting it die to stifle speech. By getting the personal info of journalists and activists. By pulling down info stored on Twitter, or even archived Tweets. 49/

Screenshot of something?

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Trump should have taught us that an impulsive, insecure oligarch with dark secrets and poor judgment, who barely scraped through Wharton and talks too much with Russians, is a security risk. People with secrets can be used. 50/

DODGY TWEETS screenshot - Musk and Medvedev. https://twitter.com/Stone_SkyNews/status/1583528866605576192

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The people whispering to Elon now - Peter Thiel and David Sacks - are not friends of free speech. Thiel has deliberately destroyed one media outlet already. He calls journalists “terrorists”. He may not care if Elon loses his fortune. 51/

https://twitter.com/capitolhunters/status/1589818641474031617


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Thiel and Sacks are openly authoritarian, dislike democracy, and push disinfo. Read linked thread to understand. Thiel courts extremists on the right; Sacks befriends the left. Sacks spreads Putin’s propaganda overtly; Thiel more discreetly.  52/

https://twitter.com/capitolhunters/status/1589818550524743681

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PART G - THINGS TO DO. Call your Rep. or Senator.  Much of Elon’s revenue is your tax dollars, paying for SpaceX launches. That can stop. Tesla is already under investigation for safety concerns. Twitter may be. Our astronauts need safety too. 53/

Screenshot of exchange with Sen. Markey

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Demand changes to our immigration policy. Foreigners rightly can’t fund US political campaigns. Thiel, a naturalized citizen, spent $30M buying US Senators while also shopping for “golden passports”: he’s got his escape plan ready . Revise the rules to cut off that option. 54/

Screenshot of article

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For journalists, you can ask questions. Even if people say “no comment”, it’s useful.
* Larry Davidow. Ask how Elon got paid in 1996 with no work permit. Ask him how the visa got arranged.
* Parag Agarwal. What did Elon show him the night he decided to buy Twitter? 55/

56
Universities
* Penn - ask for Physics students & faculty there ‘93-95. Does anyone remember Elon? Why the blank degree?
* Stanford legal: does the letter from Judith Haccou contradict their filing? Why was Stanford subpoenaed? What did they talk to Twitter about? 56/

57
Elon & Kimbal
* Kimbal: what visa did you enter the US with in 1995?
* Both: what was your visa status 1995–1997? When & how did you get work authorization?
* Elon: why did you say your degree was in 1995 in SEC filings?
* Elon: which Physics classes have you taken? 57/

58
Thiel’s neo-fascist set:
How does your anti-elite pose square with your pathetic degree-grubbing? Thiel’s lapdog JD Vance cried: “we have to attack..universities in this country..they pursue deceit and lies.” Should he give back his Yale degree? 58/

Article on Vance https://www.nytimes.com/2022/11/01/style/usha-jd-vance-ohio.html

59
These guys don’t hate “The Cathedral”; they grovel to it. Look at Thiel’s pet politicians: Sacks, Cruz, Hawley, Masters, Vance have degrees from Stanford (4), UChicago (1), Princeton (1), Harvard (1), Yale (2). Elon’s made-up Physics degree gave him status too. 59/

Cruz article screenshot

60
Tom Nichols called it: they’re “insecure rich boys” “who wanted to burn everything down just to squelch that nose-to-the-glass feeling of resentment at those who never accepted them.” Journalists can push on that - speak the truth of who they are. 60/

https://twitter.com/RadioFreeTom/status/1588758424069742597

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61
PART H - THOUGHTS. We need to ask, given so much evidence, why Musk didn’t get more scrutiny. Rolling Stone called him a “naturally gifted engineer”. NYT: a “great inventor”. How did they know that? Journalists repeated the story til it seemed impossible to question.  61/

Screenshot of Rolling Stone

62
Ashlee Vance’s 2015 book is another level. Vance is not an impartial biographer but a full-on fan. Look at his Twitter feed: furiously defending Elon, criticizing his rivals. Vance is also S. African, by the way, like Elon & many in the PayPal Mafia (4 total counting Thiel). 62/

Vance screenshots.

63
Consider: sophisticated pundits laughed at how Trump fooled his naive supporters. They called him “a poor person’s idea of a rich businessman”. Well, Elon was a non-techie’s idea of a science genius. Transcribe his interviews - they’re word salad. You got fooled too. 63/

Transcription

64
It’s more disturbing that scientists were silent, who shouldn’t be fooled.  Elon’s interviews about physics are… painful. Did people really not see? Or is this the devil’s bargain for elite universities, sucking up to potential donors? How much integrity can they give up? 64/

65
Of course I’ve been silent too, sitting on this since May. This account reports out on the Jan 6 Capitol attack; it serves law enforcement. Commenting on Elon might jeopardize that. Posting this makes me feel sick. But serving truth means calling out the Big Lies. 65/
 
 - maybe Chafkin: “sociopath and fraud” quote in LA times

66
I stand by what’s in this thread. If Elon wants to sue for defamation, I’ll meet at the courthouse. But Elon, there’s an offramp. You can be a hero - stand up for America. Talk about what happened. Who pushed you to buy, and why? People may forgive. 66/

67
If this is the end, incredible props to all who worked on the Capitol attack. The #SeditionHunters were one of the largest crowdsourced efforts in history, and withstood efforts to disrupt it. Twitter was invaluable, awful, & amazing all at once. Next version can be better. 67/

Archived at: https://archive.ph/gzGpF


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SUBTHREAD  - BACKGROUND

1
Anyone following this months’ Twitter saga is now hearing a lot about David Sacks and the PayPal Mafia. WSJ asked who pushed Elon to buy: the top 2 are Peter Thiel & David Sacks. WaPo asked who’s advising Elon now: again, Sacks. Deeply scary. (Thread) 1/

Sacks article

2
Thiel organized the influencers who later pulled crowds to the Capitol on Jan 6. His Senators (Cruz, Hawley) delayed the electoral vote. Sacks is now pushing Putin’s talking points - to Elon. The links are ugly. Here’s a try at showing some, and a review. Sources at end 2/

Sacks shot

3
Thiel & Sacks had childhoods in apartheid S. Africa (like Elon); bonded over feeling ‘canceled’ at Stanford. They wrote a book (“The Diversity Myth..”) with insensitive comments on ‘multicultural rape’. There was worse stuff in their 1992 Stanford Review “Rape Issue”. 3/

Screenshot  of The Nation article

4
Tech boomed in the 1990s but Thiel (Philosophy) and Sacks (Econ) weren't coders. Thiel went to Credit Suisse abroad, but wasn’t a rising star. It must have hurt. When he returned for law school, he’d acquired investment money from unnamed “friends and family", put it in PayPal 4/

5
Thiel brought Sacks along to PayPal. They met Elon Musk when PayPal merged with his company. After PayPal was sold in 2002, Thiel ramped up what biographer Max Chafkin calls his ‘political project’. Key to it are Stanford Review alums - like Josh Hawley and Blake Masters.5/

Screenshot from LA Times article

6
Thiel stayed in touch with (& funded) the Stanford Review ever since the 1980s. He used it to built a vast network of ‘libertarian’ protegees, grooming them with jobs and investments. This article from Stanford Politics counted nearly 300.  6/

Stanford Politics link, and screenshot

7
In 2009, Thiel announced he “no longer believes freedom and democracy are compatible”, and started buying Senators: Ted Cruz from 2009, Josh Hawley from 2015, and this year $30M on Blake Masters (AZ) & JD Vance (OH). Hawley, Masters, and Vance all worked directly for Thiel. 7/

Cruz and Hawley pictures

8
2009 seems a milestone year and the start of another Thiel effort, to build US extremism and hate. Just 3 months after James O’Keefe started Project Veritas, Thiel gave him money for a video to prank people of color. At Stanford Thiel did the talking; now he funded others. 8/
Screenshot from timeline

9
The US alt-right was really born at the 2016 RNC. Thiel gave a public speech; his protegee Jeff Giesea quietly arranged a dinner for neo-Nazis and a “Gays for Trump” party that brought together influencers. It spun off the “MAGA3X” operation, the same crowd that pushed Jan 6. 9/

Screenshot from timeline

10
Thiel mostly stays out of sight, but pops up in the J6 timeline in small odd ways. In 2016, before the election, propagandist and troll Jack Posobiec pushed the new antisemitic typography with “Surrounded by (((them))) at Peter Thiel press conference”. 10/

Archived Tweet

11
Joe Biggs, ex-‘journalist’ turned Proud Boy who led the march to the Capitol, posted his last news clips in 2019: “Billionaire Peter Thiel makes big move into bitcoin”. His website now redirects to a Swiss-owned Brazilian newspaper with anti-vaxx, pro-Bolsonaro content. 11/

Archived site screenshot
12
While Peter Thiel is openly far-right, David Sacks has a double game going. He still donates to Republican politicians but now cultivates the far-left. He's a pretend progressive with talking points from Putin: no more aid to Ukraine. 12/

Screenshot of Sacks’ Woke War III

13
Thiel and Sacks both own social media sites now. Thiel’s Rumble is for the alt-right; it also hosts Trump’s Truth Social. (1 day after this was announced, Trump endorsed Thiel’s protege JD Vance.) Sacks’ new "Callin" is for the tankie left. 13/

 Elliot Higgins Tweet: https://twitter.com/EliotHiggins/status/1589601787396648961

14
Thiel has pro-Russia friends too - like Sebastian Kurz, a far-right Austrian politician who bribed his way to power, then fell in scandal. In 2021 Kurz visited Russia, said peace is only possible "with Russia, and not against it". Within months he was hired at Thiel Capital. 14/

Kurz FB page

15
We don't know exactly why Elon bought Twitter, but the crowd around him are not big on free speech. Thiel famously schemed to bankrupt Gawker in revenge for outing him as gay. It cost him millions of his own money. Getting Elon to destroy Twitter would be cheaper. 15/

Forbes graphic of Thiel vilifying journalists

16
Finally - in 2022 Thiel funded a candidate who was totally not his type: not male, no elite college, no long ties. That's Harriet Hageman, Liz Cheney’s opponent. Thiel wanted Cheney gone, and we can guess why. The day she lost, Elon was there in Wyoming too. 16/

Harriet Hageman picture, Elon picture


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« Reply #19 on: November 20, 2022, 04:41:27 AM »

The shitty Google web-space does not give direct links. So I use the URL of the Google web-space.

Here is the "Sources - Elon Musk thread"

https://drive.google.com/drive/folders/1zPeWaaCZHqfq0tnkPwc61A6bGHySdj91

[*quote*]
Sources - Elon Musk thread

@capitolhunters 11/02/2022
updated 11/19/2022
@capitolhunters@mastodon.social
email: capitol.hunters@gmail.com



0. Summary of contradictions                  p. 1
1. Documents                        p. 2
2. Chronological sources on Elon Musk               p. 2-11
3. Undated and compilations                  p. 12
4. Documents from Twitter vs. Elon Musk court fight         p. 12
5. Quotes about Elon and Stanford PhD programs         p. 13
6. Background information    (incl. Thiel)               p. 14
7. Donald Trump and Donald Trump Jr. at Wharton         p. 19
8. Visa regulations                        p. 20





Summary of contradictions

Besides the fact that we have Elon’s blank diploma, Elon says

- that he had degree/s from Penn in 1994 (false), 1995 (false), or 1997 (true)

- that he had to stay in school to get a degree to get an H1-B visa (but he didn’t)

- that one Penn degree was in Physics (false) or Computational Physics (doesn’t exist)

- that he moved to CA for a PhD program at Stanford, but also that he moved to find investors

- that he started a PhD at Stanford (false), then that he deferred (also false), 2 days into the         
       program (impossible) but before paying tuition (he wouldn’t have paid)

- that the department was Materials Science and Engineering, or Applied Physics, or Physics   
      (all different) or “Applied Physics and Materials Science” (doesn’t exist)

-  that he was going to work with Bill Nix, also that he would work in Physics on “capacitors
       and batteries”. Those are different fields; Nix worked on neither in 1995; Nix is in MSE

- that Stanford’s Dean of Graduate Studies wrote him she had reviewed his records and         
       that he’d been admitted (but she filed a legal statement that no records were found)

- that Stanford would let him finish his undergrad after the PhD, or during it (both unheard of)



1. Documents

Folder: bit.ly/ElonMuskLies (or bit.ly/ElonMuskThread) contains
business filings for Global Link
downloaded court documents from Eberhard vs. Musk
annotated screenshots
this source document
Twitter thread: text, attachments, and pdf of thread



2. Chronological sources

1997

May 16 The Daily Pennsylvanian, graduation issue
Includes a congratulations by the Physics Department for their graduates.
https://dparchives.library.upenn.edu/?a=d&d=tdp19970516-01.2.372.1&srpos=5&e=-------en-20--1--txt-txIN-1997+physics------
Pdf version
https://dparchives.library.upenn.edu/cgi-bin/imageserver.pl?oid=tdp19970516-01&getpdf=true

Elon Musk’s diplomas are dated May 19, 1997

2003
Oct 8 Elon Musk interview at Stanford
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=afZTrfvB2AQ
0:22  “I originally came up California to do energy physics at Stanford, actually”
“I got a deferment at Stanford.”

beginnings
http://ecorner.stanford.edu/videos/377/Career-Development
transcript
https://ecorner.stanford.edu/wp-content/uploads/sites/2/2003/10/377.pdf
history of Zip2
https://ecorner.stanford.edu/videos/history-of-zip2/
Transcript
https://ecorner.stanford.edu/wp-content/uploads/sites/2/2003/10/397.pdf

Quotes:
“44:00 There were, basically, only six of us. There were myself, my brother, who I convince to come down from Canada; and a friend of my Mom's. And then three sales people we hired on contingency by putting an ad in a newspaper.”
44:15 “Things were pretty tough in the early going -I didn’t have any money -  in fact I had negative money, a huge student debt. I couldn’t afford a place to stay and an office so I rented an office instead”  “I got a cheaper office than I could get a place to stay. I just slept on the futon..”


2006

Inquiry Magazine, “summer” edition, p. 30: “Kimbal Musk - Entrepreneur, Restaurateur, Rocketman, Renaissance Man”
Excerpt included in 2007 O’Reilly lawsuit, itself included in 2009 Eberhard lawsuit.
Original journal not found. Possibly a publication of Queen’s University, Canada.
Implies Musk moved to California to obtain venture capital, not to go to Stanford.

Quote “When Queen’s School of Business Professor John Gordon suggested venture capital might be easier to come by in Silicon Valley, Kimbal, then 22, and Elon, 23, moved to Palo Alto..”



2007

Lawsuit against Elon Musk: John O’Reilly vs. Elon Musk (and others)
County of Santa Clara Superior Court Case No. 2007-1-CV-083172
https://portal.scscourt.org/
No downloads at this URL, but some material is included in Eberhard v. Musk, San Mateo Superior Court CIV 484400 (2009). Suit alleges theft of the idea for Zip2, fraudulent mis-statement of Elon’s credentials.

Background: On October 6, 1995, Musk alleges he is a Stanford student to secure a meeting with O’Reilly and discuss his business. On Nov 3, 1995 Musk signs the paperwork to incorporate a company with a similar business model.  Lawsuit turns on Elon’s false statements to secure the interview, so includes subpoenas of his academic credentials from Penn, copies of actual diplomas, and a deposition of Elon about his degrees.  Judgment for Elon AND he wins attorneys fees and extracts $187K from plaintiff.


Physics World interview
https://physicsworld.com/a/once-a-physicist-elon-musk/
“Postgraduate work into high-energy-density capacitors”. Note that no-one at Stanford was working on capacitors for energy storage in 1995. Nix’s work became relevant LATER, but it was not seen as relevant in 1995. No papers from Stanford in the 1993-1998 paper mention capacitor development (or batteries either)



2009
Lawsuit: Martin Eberhard vs. Elon Musk, San Mateo County Superior Court, CIV 484400
https://www.plainsite.org/dockets/3cberzj42/superior-court-of-california-county-of-san-mateo/martin-eberhard-v-elon-musk-et-al/
May 26, 2009 initial complaint includes some material from O’Reilly v. Musk (2007)

July 16 filing org.sanmateocourt.CIV484400.52.0-1.pdf has more material from the 2007 suit
Quote:” In several national publications, Musk has allegedly misrepresented his affiliation with Stanford University, claiming to have “dropped out” of a Ph.D. program at that university when in fact he was never enrolled at Stanford. “
“Musk has falsely claimed to have a degree in Physics from the University of Pennsylvania that he obtained in 1995, when in fact he has no such degree and the only degree he holds was obtained later than that. Upon information and belief, Musk’s only known undergraduate degree is a Bachelor’s of Science in Economics, obtained from the University of Pennsylvania in 1997.”

Items from the 2007 lawsuit, John O’Reilly vs. Elon Musk (and others), Case No. 107-CV-083172
Superior Court of California, County of Santa Clara

P. 57 deposition of Norman Gondinho (who invested ca. $50K)
“A. He had got admission into Stanford through a Ph.D.
Q. How do you know that?
A. He told me. He said he had a scholarship and a grant to do this Ph.D. and, on the other side, he wanted to start this company..”

P. 100 deposition of Elon Musk
Q .And as you read the bio for you and the business plan on Page 14, is everything in the bio true and correct?
A. Yeah. Yes.
Q. Okay. So you received a B.S. in Computational Physics from Penn?
A. Yeah.

A. Actually, I should be clear about that. So, I obtained the one Graduate degree in Business and Physics but [had] an agreement with the.. University of Pennsylvania. They said that I could have.. I could complete the English and History credit when I was no longer a student at Stanford. So they would delay transmitting the degree until I had done that.”

Note: his statement to Ashlee Vance in 2015 contradicts this - says he would finish the classes AT Stanford.
“I had a History and an English credit that I agreed with Penn that I would do at Stanford,” he said. “Then I put Stanford on deferment. Later, Penn’s requirements changed so that you don’t need the English and History credit. So then they awarded me the degree in ’97 when it was clear I was not going to go to grad school, and their requirement was no longer there.”

P. 103 deposition of Elon Musk taken on Thursday, May 7, 2009
Q. And you got a B.S. in that, in Physics?
A. Yeah.
Q. Okay.
[Lawyers then dispute over whether Computational Physics existed at Penn (it didn’t)]

P. 104 deposition of Elon Musk 
Q. Now, looking at the first two pages of Exhibit 10, are those the only two diplomas you received from the University of Pennsylvania?
A. You know, I didn’t even look at the things coming out. So, I guess these are the diplomas from the University.
Q. Do you think you have additional diplomas from the University of Pennsylvania?
A. No.
Q. Are you aware of either of these documents granting you a Bachelor of Science in Computational Physics?
The Witness: Well actually, it’s in Latin.

Q. If you look at the - the diplomas themselves, one says Bachelor of Science in Economics in English. Is that correct?
A. Yes.
Q. And the other just says Bachelor’s of Science in Latin, correct?
A. I don’t know what it says. I’m not good at Latin.

Diplomas themselves are on p. 164-165, both largely in Latin. Each says  “approbata ad gradum”  (“approved for the degree”) followed by a line of text. That line on one diploma is “Bachelor of Science in Economics”. On the other diploma it is “Baccalavrei Artivm”. The v’s are presumably stylized u’s and this translates as “Bachelor of Arts” with no subject given. People from Penn say that all-Latin and no department is the norm. Date in Roman numerals translates to May 19, 1997

P. 106 deposition of Elon Musk
Q. Did you ever pay any tuition fees at Stanford for any graduate programs?
A. No, because I deferred starting. It was about two days into the quarter that I spoke with [indistinct] who was the Chairman of the Science Department and deferred starting.

P. 125 Global Link business plan
At the head of the Global Link research group is Elon Musk. He has completed a degree in finance and entrepreneurship from the Wharton School, and a B.S. in Computational Physics.

Note - this is false, as Elon had no degree til after the company changed name to Zip2. Also there is no degree in Computational Physics at Penn even today. There is a “Concentration in Computer Techniques”: https://web.archive.org/web/20191217192622/https://live-sas-physics.pantheon.sas.upenn.edu/undergraduate/physics-astronomy-major#computer

P. 142 another version of Elon’s biography in slide deck for investors
“He has completed a degree in finance and entrepreneurship from the Wharton School, and a B.S. in Computational Physics.”

P. 149 Response to Form Interrogatory No. 2.7
Education section includes “University of Pennsylvania (Wharton), 3451 Walnut Street, Philadelphia PA 19104, dates attended 1992-1995, BS degree in Finance and Physics.

P. 169 Subpoena to Stanford University for Elon’s records.

P. 175 letter from Judith Haccou, Director of Graduate Admissions, Stanford University, Dec. 16, 2008
 “Based on the information you provided, we are unable to locate a record in our office for Elon Musk”

Notes discrepancy  -
Ashlee Vance’s 2015 biography of Musk cites a June 22, 2009 letter from Judith Haccou (see 2009 entry).
“As per special request from my colleagues in the School of Engineering, I have searched Stanford’s admission data base and acknowledge that you applied and were admitted to the graduate program in Material Science Engineering in 1995. Since you did not enroll, Stanford is not able to issue you an official certification document.”

Stanford’s program is called “Materials Science and Engineering” : https://mse.stanford.edu/
Judith Haccou would not make that mistake:  joined Stanford in 1979, had been there 29 years in 2008
https://news.stanford.edu/report/2020/12/04/judith-haccou-former-director-graduate-admissions-died-69/

Twitter repost of selected contents https://twitter.com/RiskAndChips/status/1072299002568302593


Sept 21, 2009 Autoblog - Eberhard and Musk settle out of court
https://www.autoblog.com/2009/09/21/martin-eberhard-and-elon-musk-reach-settlement-in-lawsuit/
Court had ruled that all parts of suit could proceed other than that part against Musk calling himself a Tesla founder



2010

DOE provides $465 M in loans, 6 months before the company goes public
April 20 Tesla press release:
https://www.tesla.com/blog/tesla-gets-loan-approval-us-department-energy
For this topic see also Washington Post,  March 16 2017: https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/innovations/wp/2017/03/16/this-government-loan-program-helped-tesla-at-a-critical-time-trump-wants-to-cut-it/


Wharton Magazine profile
https://magazine.wharton.upenn.edu/issues/fall-2010/he-wont-back-down/
Says Elon’s degrees are both from 1997. He talks about why he chose to study physics



2012

June Commencement speech at Caltech
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MxZpaJK74Y4
“..if I can advance technology then that’s like magic and that’d be really cool.. I always had kind of a slight existential crisis, so I was trying to figure out, what does it all mean, like what’s the purpose of things, and, um, I came to the conclusion that if - if we can advance the - the knowledge of the world, if we can do things that expand the scope and - and scale of consciousness, then we’re better able to ask the right questions and become more enlightened and that’s really the only way forward.” [  - 2:37]

2:37 “So I studied - uh - Physics and Business because I figured in order to do a lot of these things you need to know how the universe works and you need to know how the economy works, um, and you also need to be able to bring a lot of people together to work with you to create something, because it’s very difficult to create something as an individual if it’s a significant technology.”

“I - uh - originally came out to California to - uh - try to figure out how to improve the energy density of - uh - of um -of  electric vehicles to try to figure out if there was an advanced capacitor that could serve as an alternative to batteries. And um - that was in 95 and that was also when the internet started to happen”

2013

March 9 SXSW interview by Chris Anderson (editor-in-chief 3D Robotics)
Event description: https://schedule.sxsw.com/2013/events/event_IAP993338
Bio quote: “transitioning to a sustainable energy economy, in which electric vehicles play a pivotal role, has been one of his central interests for almost two decades, stemming from his time as a physics student working on ultracapacitors in Silicon Valley.”

Video of interview: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LeQMWdOMa-A

39:44 in video comments on education begin
Musk: A university education is often unnecessary. That’s not to say it’s unnecessary for all people but .. I think you probably learn about as much - or the vast majority of what you’re going to learn there - in the first two years, and most of it is from your classmates. Um - because you can always buy the textbooks and just read them I mean no one is stopping you from doing that.. Now for a lot of companies, they do want to see the completion of the degree, because they’re looking for someone who’s going to persevere and see it through to the end, and that’s actually what.. what’s important to them. So it really depends on what somebody’s goal is. If the goal is to start a company, I would say no point in finishing college. In my case I had to, otherwise I’d get kicked out of the country. So that was important, but..

Interviewer: Although you went on, and got a master’s degree as well, right?

I came out to Silicon Valley to do a PhD at Stanford in Applied Physics and Materials Science, to work on ultracapacitors for use in electric cars. That’s what I was going to do, and then I sort of put that on hold to start a company. But since I already had my undergrad, I could then get an H1-B visa and that sort of thing. The H1-B visa requires a degree. But other than that, if that wasn’t the case, I probably would have stopped education sooner. “

Interviewer: Did you not go to Wharton for..? 

Musk: Yeah yeah. I did a dual undergrad in Physics and Business at Wharton.

48:25 Comments on philosophy of Physics
Q:  “What’s the best advice you’ve ever got?” A  “Well, I think that - uh - physics training is a very good training, where it’s a good framework for reasoning where you’re trained to think about first principles and reason from there, and that means boiling things down to the most fundamental truths, and then connecting those truths in a way to try to understand how reality is - because physics has this problem with trying to figure out things that are totally counterintuitive - and so they had to have a framework for getting there. Like quantum mechanics is incredibly counterintuitive  - uh - but it’s true.”

May 16 Forbes article
https://www.forbes.com/sites/joannmuller/2013/05/16/teslas-elon-musk-is-no-dummy/?sh=7d9f4af13907
Quotes
“He started a PhD at Stanford in applied physics and materials science, but dropped out to become an entrepreneur.”

Oct 2 Stanford School of Business, Encore Award ceremonies, honoring Tesla and Elon Musk
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MBItc_QAUUM
Elon is interviewed by Steve Jurvetson -
11:23 “Yeah I started out thinking okay, when I do something in the electric vehicle space, and that’s why I originally came to Stanford was to work on advanced storage capabilities and take ultracapacitors. So that was continuing on research that I’d done as an intern in Silicon Valley the summer prior. So, so, that’s why I originally came out in ‘95.



2015

May 19 Ashlee Vance Book is published  https://www.goodreads.com/book/show/25541028-elon-musk
Appendix 1 describes inconsistencies in education. (In first edition, not added later)
https://publicism.info/biography/elon_musk/14.html Archived https://archive.ph/3NtKP
“At first, I, too, felt like there were a lot of oddities surrounding Musk’s academic record, particularly the Stanford days. But, as I dug in, there were solid explanations for all of the inconsistencies and plenty of evidence to undermine the cases of Musk’s detractors.”

“As for his academic records, Musk produced a document for me dated June 22, 2009, that came from Judith Haccou, the director of graduate admissions in the office of the registrar at Stanford University. It read, “As per special request from my colleagues in the School of Engineering, I have searched Stanford’s admission data base and acknowledge that you applied and were admitted to the graduate program in Material Science Engineering [sic] in 1995. Since you did not enroll, Stanford is not able to issue you an official certification document.”

Musk also had an explanation for the weird timing on his degrees from Penn. “I had a History and an English credit that I agreed with Penn that I would do at Stanford,” he said. “Then I put Stanford on deferment. Later, Penn’s requirements changed so that you don’t need the English and History credit. So then they awarded me the degree in ’97 when it was clear I was not going to go to grad school, and their requirement was no longer there.”

Penn general education requirements as of 2022: https://www.college.upenn.edu/gen-ed
“Foundational Approaches” is 6 areas, one of which is a language requirement (can meet it with AP credit)
“Sectors of Knowledge” requires courses in 7 areas, including “History and Tradition”

June 5 Esquire article by Ashlee Vance (excerpts from book)
https://www.esquire.com/entertainment/books/a35508/elon-musk-college-years-canada-u-penn/
Queens: “I went to the least number of classes possible.”
Penn:”video game binges that went on for days”
Penn: “It's difficult to find former students who remember him being there at all.”

October
Interview at Stanford by Peter Jurvetson (with introduction by John Hennessy)
https://ecorner.stanford.edu/contributor/elon-musk/  https://ecorner.stanford.edu/videos/elon-musks-vision-for-the-future-entire-talk/
Transcript  https://ecorner.stanford.edu/wp-content/uploads/sites/2/2015/10/3620.pdf
John Hennessy introduction “He was born in South Africa, attended Queen's University in Canada before moving to the US, where he earned his undergraduate degrees in Economics and Physics from the University of Pennsylvania. He arrived at Stanford to pursue his PhD In physics, but left after two days”


11:45  -    
Elon “that's not exactly advice. That has been encapsulated into time-warping wisdom. Yeah, exactly like wisdom. I mean there's a lot of things. Listen more to critical feedback. A lot of things I learned in college actually were pretty helpful.
I mean, I think the physics approach to thinking is very good-- like the first principles approach. And you applied that broadly? Yeah, applying the first principles in process of thinking is, I think, a good way to figure out counter-intuitive situations. And I thought that was really a helpful thing to learn. That's good. Feel free to jump in. Because I don't know how it ends for that question. Yeah, what would you do? What would you tell your younger self? It will be alright. You weren't as dorky as you think-- advice like that-- nothing really too actionable. Don't worry about it? Well, just don't be so insecure about everything you're insecure about, would probably be my advice to myself. But let's move on.”

13:37-13:58 “ Yeah, I mean, if you sort of follow what I did initially, was-- to go back to college times-- was working on energy storage technologies for electric vehicles. And that's what I was going to pursue at Stanford, actually, was work on advanced capacitors and batteries to improve the energy density for electric vehicles. And then the internet was kind of happening.”


2016
April 11 Ars Technica article
https://arstechnica.com/science/2016/04/without-nasa-there-would-be-no-spacex-and-its-brilliant-boat-landing/
Describes how NASA’s $1.6 B contract saved SpaceX in Dec. 2008
(Tesla was saved by a DOE loan of nearly $500M that year)



2017

Nov. Rolling Stone article (Neil Strauss) “Elon Musk: the Architect of Tomorrow”
https://www.rollingstone.com/culture/culture-features/elon-musk-the-architect-of-tomorrow-120850/
https://archive.ph/SJZmt (archived)
Quotes: “Musk is not a businessman or entrepreneur. He's an engineer, inventor and, as he puts it, "technologist." And as a naturally gifted engineer, he's able to find the design inefficiencies, flaws and complete oversights in the tools that power our civilization.”
“I'm naturally good at engineering that's because I inherited it from my father," Musk says. "What's very difficult for others is easy for me.”   (Also mentions that Musk’s father killed three people, home intruders)



2018

SXSW interview
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kzlUyrccbos
12:56 “yeah I think in order to make the right decisions you have to understand something you need to understand something you add a detailed level - you cannot make a good decision. Um so but I’d like to just probably like the you know where you saw there as a result of an incredible team and that’s Space X”

1:05:17 “I’ve always been super interested in electric vehicles. I was going to do my PhD on an advanced and reduced energy storage [coughs] - was going to do grad studies on advanced energy storage for electric vehicles” 


2020

“Reality Check: Tesla, Inc.”, Think Computer Foundation https://www.plainsite.org/realitycheck/tsla.pdf
Article about Tesla Inc., references the 2009 Eberhard v. Musk suit. Contents not independently verified.

Aug 3 2020 Elon Musk Tweets some homework from Penn
https://twitter.com/elonmusk/status/1300104995476574211
Nigel Lockyer Re-Tweets (“Phys 351, Spring 1993” Elon’s first year at Penn, year 3 of college)
https://twitter.com/Nigel_Lockyer/status/1300165020878344194



2022

Feb 15 Forbes article: “Why Elon Musk Dropped out of Stanford after only two days”
https://fortune.com/2022/02/15/why-elon-musk-dropped-out-of-stanford/
Archived version: https://archive.ph/SiRSz

May 4 New York Times “The Myth of the Genius Tech Inventor”
https://www.nytimes.com/2022/05/04/technology/myth-of-the-genius-tech-inventor.html
Calls Musk a “great inventor” (in article otherwise about how businesses need teamwork)

June 3 interview with Tesla Owners of Silicon Valley
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AeeeEDSekG8
9:03 “so um [pauses to drink water] so what I was going to be studying - um - at - at Stanford, for grad studies there, I’d be primarily in the materials science group - uh - Bill Nix would have been my professor. He’s the guy I spoke to when I said that [laughs] I’d like to put my studies on hold”

35:12 “for my first company Zip2, I had no money, so I could not invest in Zip 2”

June 14 Bill Nix letter to Elon Musk (posted by Musk on Twitter)
https://twitter.com/elonmusk/status/1560720224588120064

June 16 Sitebuilder article “​​The Story of Elon Musk’s First Company”
covers founding of Zip2
https://www.sitebuilderreport.com/origin-stories/elon-musk

Aug 29 NYT article about subpoenas: Twitter has subpoenaed Thiel’s Founders Fund. Musk is unhappy about turning over group chats
https://www.nytimes.com/2022/08/29/technology/musk-twitter-trial-lawyers.html
“The company has issued more than 84 subpoenas to uncover discussions that might prove that Mr. Musk soured on the acquisition because the economic downturn decreased his personal wealth.”

Aug 31 Stanford Daily article: Musk has subpoenaed Stanford
https://stanforddaily.com/2022/08/31/elon-musk-subpoenas-stanford-in-legal-battle-with-twitter
“Musk’s legal team requested documents related to all “conversations, conferences, discussions, interviews, meetings, negotiations and agreements” between Twitter and Stanford affiliates over the proposed acquisition.”

April 29 Wall Street Journal - “The Shadow Crew
Musk urged to buy Twitter by Peter Thiel, David Sacks, Steve Jurvetson
https://archive.ph/j0DX5
3 of those spent childhood years in apartheid South Africa

Nov 6  WaPo on who is advising Musk now
https://www.washingtonpost.com/technology/2022/11/06/elon-musk-inner-circle/
Jason Calcanis (investor / podcaster), Jared Birchall (manges Elon’s personal finances), Alex Spiro (Elon’s lawyer), David Sacks


3. Undated and Compilations

Video compilation of Elon’s statements about physics over the years (no dates)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NSkJTkhLYxA
World Government Forum
0:00 Q about “advice to young people globally who want to be like Elon Musk. What’s you’readvice to them?
A “I think .. advice..I mean, if you want to make progress on things.um the-the best analytical framework for understanding the future is physics. I recommend studying the ah - the thinking process around physics. Like, not just the, not the equations - I mean the equations certainly they’re helpful - but the way of thinking in physics is - the best framework for understanding things that are counterintuitive”.
1:57 “I think physics in general is a good background for thinking. You know I just generally recommend people take physics courses because physics has the best tools for critical thinking”.
2:10 “how do you manage to dive so deeply into so many engineering challenges” “Well, I studied physics and I strongly recommend studying physics as a good grounding in to understand the nature of reality. I mean physics is at fundamentally just understanding how does the universe really work”

Compilation of sources from Business Insider
https://www.businessinsider.com/the-rise-of-elon-musk-2016-7#with-his-brother-kimbal-elon-musk-launched-zip2-a-cluster-of-silicon-valley-investors-helped-to-fund-the-company-which-provided-city-travel-guides-to-newspapers-like-the-new-york-times-and-chicago-tribune-10



4. Documents from Twitter vs. Elon Musk court fight.

April 2022 Agreement to join board
https://www.sec.gov/Archives/edgar/data/1418091/000119312522095651/d342257dex101.htm

Aug. 2022 subpoena of Stanford
https://www.google.com/url?q=https://stanforddaily.com/2022/08/31/elon-musk-subpoenas-stanford-in-legal-battle-with-twitter

Texts released Sep. 2022 as part of the Twitter v. Elon Musk lawsuit
https://s3.documentcloud.org/documents/23108357/redacted-version-of-exhibits-a-j-to-letter-to-the-honorable-kathaleen-st-j-mccormick-from-edward-b.pdf

Axios timeline of Twitter purchase saga, with links to documents: https://www.axios.com/2022/05/17/elon-musk-twitter-timeline




5. Quotes about Elon and Stanford PhD programs

Reilly lawsuit (2007, about 1995) - Materials Science

NYT 2006 - “Physics”, dropped out.  UG “theoretical physics”
https://www.nytimes.com/2006/02/05/business/yourmoney/a-bold-plan-to-go-where-men-have-gone-before.html

Mercury News (2008) - “applied physics”, dropped out. UG “physics”
https://www.mercurynews.com/2008/10/17/elon-musks-vision-to-change-the-course-of-humanity/

​Elon interview in Physics World 2007 - says he was “offered a place to do.. research into high energy-density capacitors”  https://physicsworld.com/a/once-a-physicist-elon-musk/

Forbes (2013) - “applied physics and materials science” “dropped out to become an entrepreneur” https://www.forbes.com/sites/joannmuller/2013/05/16/teslas-elon-musk-is-no-dummy/
https://archive.ph/TAUoz (archived site)

Ashlee Vance book (2015) “material science”

Bloomberg (2022) - - “physics” (also mentions Stanford subpoena) https://archive.ph/BVnXM
Also mentions Bill Nix letter, but Nix is in Material Science and Engineering
https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2022-08-31/stanford-sucked-into-dropout-musk-s-legal-fight-with-twitter

Forbes 2022– “Physics” (and mentions dropping out) https://archive.ph/SiRSz
6. Background information

Elon Musk

Elon Queen’s University photos
https://www.queensu.ca/alumnireview/articles/2013-02-01/elon-musk
Reddit repost: QC jacket is for “queen’s commerce” https://www.reddit.com/r/elonmusk/comments/84ttm8/elon_musk_at_queens_university_in_kingston/

NYT Oct 11, 2022
https://www.nytimes.com/2022/10/11/style/elon-musk-social-calendar.html
Thiel’s influence on Elon Musk

WaPo Nov 13, 2022 (Gerrit De Vynck)
https://www.washingtonpost.com/technology/2022/11/13/dan-odowd-challenges-tesla-musk/
Musk’s current push to release self-driving Teslas before they are ready, and Dan O’Dowd’s crusade against it.

See also LA Times quote of Max Chafkin “Musk thinks Peter is a sociopath, and Peter thinks Musk is a fraud and a braggart.”

Forbes, Sep 8 2020 (Hayley Cuccinello)
https://www.forbes.com/sites/hayleycuccinello/2020/09/08/elon-musk-has-promised-to-give-at-least-half-his-fortune-to-charity-heres-how-much-hes-donated-so-far/?sh=11ae62183c8c
Musk charitable donations (less than 1% of total wealth)

Musk family

Maternal grandfather Joshua Haldeman
Keating, J and S. Haldeman: “Joshua N Haldeman, DC: the Canadian Years, 1926-1950”. J Can Chirop Assoc 39 (3), 172-186, 1995.
https://silview.media/2022/04/12/elon-musk-is-the-grandson-of-a-jewish-canadian-leader-of-the-technocracy-movement-openly-backed-by-masons-and-the-rockefellers/

Father Errol Musk
Aug 2022 interview in The Guardian
https://www.theguardian.com/technology/2022/aug/01/elon-musk-father-interview-not-proud-errol-family



Tesla Founders Martin Eberhard and Marc Tarpenning

https://www.britannica.com/biography/Martin-Eberhard-and-Marc-Tarpenning
Eberhard: BS Computer Science 1982, MS Electrical Engineering 1984, UIUC
Professional credentials: “electrical engineer at Wyse Technology, vice president of electronics at Belfort Memory International, and chief engineer at Network Computing Devices”
Tarpenning: BS Computer Science 1985, UC Berkeley
Professional credentials: Textron, Seagate, Bechtel, VP of Engineering at Packet Design

1997: co-founded e-Book company NuvoMedia, sold for $187 M
2003: co-founded Tesla Motors, multiple investors, largest Elon Musk at $30 M



Peter Thiel

Childhood - interview with Reid Hoffman, transcribed.
https://s3.amazonaws.com/he-product-images/docs/Podcase_transcript_A.pdf?elqTrackId=f086091397a74b1d82f8a23d4ebb0fba&elqaid=124&elqat=2
Archived at: https://archive.ph/ldgnI
Mentions schools in Johannesburg, SA and Swakopmund (now Namibia, then South West Africa, under the control of South Africa. His father oversaw a uranium mine)

Stanford Politics (Andrew Granato), 2017
https://stanfordpolitics.org/2017/11/27/peter-thiel-cover-story/
Thiel’s network of over 300 Stanford Review alums mentored and hired to his companies

“The Education of a Libertarian”, Cato Unbound, April 13 2009
https://www.cato-unbound.org/2009/04/13/peter-thiel/education-libertarian/
“I no longer believe that freedom and democracy are compatible.”

“I started a student newspaper to challenge the prevailing campus orthodoxies; we scored some limited victories, most notably in undoing speech codes instituted by the university.”

Same essay urges escape from organized government to cyberspace (i.e. cryptocurrency, "a new world currency free of government control"), to outer space, and by seasteading ("setting the oceans"). Seems to oppose women voting. Thiel later had to apologize

Forbes (Matt Drange), June 21, 2016, “Peter Thiel’s War on Gawker - a Timeline”
https://www.forbes.com/sites/mattdrange/2016/06/21/peter-thiels-war-on-gawker-a-timeline/?sh=49b9e8e651c5
Gawker outed Thiel Dec. 19 2007, 2009 “I think they should be described as terrorists”, 2012 Gawker post Hulk Hogan sex tape,

The Nation (Chris Lehmann) “The Reactionary Prophet of Silicon Valley”
https://www.thenation.com/article/politics/curtis-yarvin/
Profile of neo-fascist Curtis Yarvin (Mencius Moldbug) who influences Thiel and others in his circle
Calls writings “familiar tropes of white victimhood”. Calls slavery “a natural human relationship”

‘Yarvin rhapsodizes on colonial rule in Southern Africa, and suggests that black people had it better under apartheid. “If you ask me to condemn [mass murderer] Anders Breivik, but adore Nelson Mandela, perhaps you have a mother you’d like to fuck,” Yarvin writes’

Influence on Thilel’s protegees: “GOP Senate hopefuls Blake Masters in Arizona and J.D. Vance in Ohio have both favorably cited a key plank of his plan for post-democratic overhaul—the strongman plan to “retire all government employees,”

Mother Jones (Josh Harkinson), Mar 10 2017
 “Meet Silicon Valley’s Secretive Alt-Right Followers”
https://www.motherjones.com/politics/2017/03/silicon-valley-tech-alt-right-racism-misogyny/

NY Magazine (Max Chafkin, book excerpts) “Peter Thiel’s Origin Story”, Sept. 20 2021
https://nymag.com/intelligencer/article/peter-thiel-silicon-valley-contrarian-max-chafkin.html

Quotes:
“reflexive contrarianism, the unearned confidence, the impossibly favorable outcome”

“His book Zero to One “developed the idiosyncrasies that had been present in the college-age Thiel into a full-blown ideology. The book argues, among other things, that founders are godlike, that monarchies are more efficient than democracies, and that cults are a better organizational model than management consultancies. More than anything, it celebrates rule-breaking. Thiel bragged that of PayPal’s six founders, four had built bombs in high school.”

““He viewed liberals through a lens as people who were not nice to him,” said a classmate. “The way people treated him at Stanford had a huge impact. That’s still with him.”

“some who know Thiel speculate, convincingly, that his mid-’90s homophobia was an expression of self-hatred.” (Both Thiel and his friend Keith Rabois were virulently anti-gay at Stanford; both since came out as gay)

Thiel had been managing “a pool of capital he’d raised from friends and family as a hedge fund”, invested in a coder’s project that became PayPal - boasted that it would cause “the erosion of the nation-state”
(his father was a chemical engineer, no sign of wealth in the family)

“Musk thinks Peter is a sociopath, and Peter thinks Musk is a fraud and a braggart.”

“Thiel had laid a trap, installing most of his deputies — including Levchin and the author of the Review’s “Rape Issue” [David Sacks] — in the executive ranks. Musk didn’t realize he was surrounded by a team that was more loyal to Thiel than to him. Later that year, Musk left town for a two-week trip. While he was in the air, a group of Thiel-aligned conspirators confronted the company’s major backer, Moritz, at his office on Sand Hill Road. They demanded their patron be put in charge.”

Thiel then suggests that all of PayPal’s cash be given to Thiel Capital


David Sacks

Recent pro-Russia postings

Article in The American Conservative, Sep 26 2022
https://www.theamericanconservative.com/should-america-go-all-in-on-ukraine/
It makes no sense for the U.S. to play for all the chips over a Donbas region that no American president has ever before claimed is a vital interest. Risking World War III with a desperate nuclear-armed opponent, with no vital security interests at stake, without having exhausted every diplomatic option, is not good pot control.

Oct 3 Musk Tweets about a negotiated settlement in Ukraine

On Oct 4, 2022 Sacks defends Musk in Newsweek article. “The Neocons and the Woke Left are Joining Hands and Leading Us to Woke War III”  (partly defending Elon Musk’s Oct. 3 Tweets)
https://www.newsweek.com/neocons-woke-left-are-joining-hands-leading-us-woke-war-iii-opinion-1748947
We've seen this before: "Woke mobs" on Twitter routinely demonize and defame their political opponents, impugn the motives of anyone who questions their goals or tactics, and squelch dissent even in their own ranks by declaring the debate on certain topics over.
What makes the "I stand with Ukraine" version of the Twitter mob unique is that it brings together two forces that used to be sworn enemies of one another—the woke Left and the neoconservative Right. It turns out they share many of the same loathsome ideological and personality traits, and have a similar "slash and burn" approach to political engagement. It's a new political marriage.
Interview Oct. 17 “David Sacks: Cancellation Tactics Can Lead to ‘Woke War III’”
From the Ron Paul Liberty Report (posted on Peter Thiel’s Rumble)
https://rumble.com/v1ofk2p-david-sacks-cancelation-tactics-can-lead-to-woke-war-iii.html
Right now we are on an escalatory path and the destination ahead is ‘Woke War III’

Oct. 17 Musk Tweets replying to Sack’s old Oct 4 Tweet about his Newsweek article “Exceptionally well-said”. Maybe prompted by new interview posted that day. https://twitter.com/elonmusk/status/1581986552246603776

Interview, Unherd, Nov 1 2022   David Sacks: Is Ukraine Turning into Woke War III?
https://unherd.com/thepost/david-sacks-on-ukraine-from-culture-war-to-nuclear-war/

Articles about Sacks

LA Times (Sam Dean) “Meet David Sacks, Gavin Newsom’s loudest critic in Silicon Valley”
https://www.latimes.com/business/technology/story/2021-09-05/meet-david-sacks-gavin-newsoms-loudest-critic-in-silicon-valley
Discusses Sacks’ funding of a movement to recall Gavin Newsom

The New Republic (Jacob Silverman), Oct 18 2022, “The Quiet Political Rise of David Sacks, Silicon Valley’s Prophet of Urban Doom”
https://newrepublic.com/article/168125/david-sacks-elon-musk-peter-thiel
Sacks formerly PayPal’s COO, installed by Thiel

Sacks has co-founded the media site Callin “which has attracted a swathe of very online journalists from the left, right, and murkier ideological corners,”

Seems to be part of the faux-left, part of join manipulation of far-left and far-right. Silverman says of Sacks’ crowd: “These dissident leftists are joined by a growing number of tech and finance elites with reactionary politics.”

“Domestically, the vision is more muddled, a series of angry poses, a politics of pique, much of it playing out on Twitter, Callin, YouTube, Rumble, Substack, and other online media, especially among people who may have once counted themselves on the left but now can’t countenance the sight of homeless encampments.” Mentions The Young Turks and Jacobin

“Despite Sacks’s ties to the online post-left and his efforts to speak for San Francisco’s disenchanted Democrats, his record of campaign finance donations tells the story of a die-hard Republican.”

Donates $1M to JD Vance


Steve Jurvetson

Jurvetson - PayPal guy called out for sexual misconduct at work
https://archive.ph/EloEv
Jurvetson was Tesla board member since 2006, even through sexual harassment scandal


7. Donald Trump and Donald Trump Jr. at Wharton

Trump Sr.’s time at Wharton

Boston Globe 2015
http://www.bostonglobe.com/news/nation/2015/08/28/donald-trump-was-bombastic-even-wharton-business-school/3FO0j1uS5X6S8156yH3YhL/story.html
(archived version of site)
https://archive.ph/RxlNe

Philadelphia Magazine 2019
https://www.phillymag.com/news/2019/09/14/donald-trump-at-wharton-university-of-pennsylvania/

Daily Pennsylvanian
https://www.thedp.com/article/2017/02/trump-classmates-wharton-academics



$100K donation given in late 1996, just as Donald Trump Jr started

1997 Daily Pennsylvanian
https://dparchives.library.upenn.edu/cgi-bin/imageserver.pl?oid=tdp19970128-01&getpdf=true

2016 Daily Pennsylvanian (confirms that Jr. started 1996)
https://www.thedp.com/article/2016/11/trumps-history-of-donating-to-penn

The Giving Trump
https://www.thegivingtrump.com/donald-trump-donated-100000-to-penn-club-of-new-york/


Donald Trump Jr at Wharton

LA Times article

Trump Sr. oasting about academic success

Claims that Donald Trump was first in his class
1973 New York Times https://www.nytimes.com/1973/01/28/archives/a-builder-looks-backand-moves-forward-builder-looks-back-but-moves.html

Trump mentions Wharton, frequently: count of 52 times between 2015-2018
Daily Pennsylvanian, 2018
https://www.thedp.com/article/2018/01/trump-penn-wharton-data-education-times-ivy-league-business-finance-philadelphia-campaign

8. Visa requirements

EB-1
https://www.uscis.gov/working-in-the-united-states/permanent-workers/employment-based-immigration-first-preference-eb-1

H1-B
https://www.uscis.gov/working-in-the-united-states/h-1b-specialty-occupations

EB-5
https://www.uscis.gov/working-in-the-united-states/permanent-workers/eb-5-immigrant-investor-program
https://www.uscis.gov/working-in-the-united-states/permanent-workers/employment-based-immigration-fifth-preference-eb-5/about-the-eb-5-visa-classification

Student visa overstays

Vaughan, J. “Foreign Students and National Security: Student Visa Overstays”.
Center for Immigration Studies, 2019
https://cis.org/Vaughan/Foreign-Students-and-National-Security-Student-Visa-Overstays
Note: not a peer-reviewed study, also CIS is a political advocacy group. However, the percentage of overstays listed here is consistent with government sources.

DHS “Fiscal Year 2020 Entry/Exit Overstay Report”
https://www.dhs.gov/sites/default/files/2021-12/CBP%20-%20FY%202020%20Entry%20Exit%20Overstay%20Report_0.pdf




PayPal Mafia

Stats

23    Total
8    Econ / Business   4 Stanford, 1 Penn, 1 UCT 1 Hamilton, 1 UC Riverside         
6    Hum. / Soc. Science    4 Stanford, 1 Ind. Univ. of PA 1 Penn
9    CS / Eng.      7 CS UIUC, 1 CS Carnegie-Mellon, 1 Eng. Johns Hopkins


1. Peter Thiel, founder
a. Philosophy, Law (Stanford). Invested with money from “friends and family”
b. German, spent much of childhood in S. Africa (now Namibia)
2. Max Levchin, founder and chief technology officer at PayPal
a. Computer Science, UIUC
b. Ukrainian
3. Elon Musk, co-founder of Zip2, founder of X.com which eventually merged
a. Economics (Wharton School, Penn), awarded 2 years after he left
b. South African
4. David O. Sacks, former PayPal COO who later founded Geni.com and Yammer
a. Economics (Stanford), Law (UChicago)
b. South African (emigrated at age 5)
5. Scott Banister, early advisor and board member at PayPal
a. CS (UIUC) - may not have finished. Rand Paul supporter
6. Roelof Botha, former PayPal CFO, later at venture capital firm Sequoia Capital
a. Economics and Stats (U. Cape Town), MBA (Stanford)
b. South African
7. Steve Chen, former PayPal engineer who co-founded YouTube.
a. CS (UIUC)
b. Taiwanesse (emigrated at 7)
8. Reid Hoffman, former executive vice president, later founded LinkedIn
a. Symbolic Systems & Cognitive Science (Stanford), Philosophy MS (Oxford)
9. Ken Howery, former PayPal CFO who became a partner at Founders Fund
a. Economics (Stanford). Edited the Stanford Review.
10. Chad Hurley, former PayPal web designer who co-founded YouTube
a. Fine Art (Indiana Univ. of Pennsylvania)
11. Eric M. Jackson, who wrote the book The PayPal Wars
a. Economics (Stanford). Board of Directors of Stanford Review
12. Jawed Karim, former PayPal engineer who co-founded YouTube
a. CS (UIUC), MS CS (Stanford)
b. Bangladeshi and German
13. Jared Kopf, former PayPal (executive assistant to Peter Thiel)
a.  Interaction Design, English (Stanford)
14. Dave McClure, former PayPal marketing director, a super angel investor
a. Engineering (Johns Hopkins)
15. Andrew McCormack, co-founder of Valar Ventures
a. Political Science (Penn)
16. Luke Nosek, PayPal co-founder, Founders Fund partner Peter Thiel and Ken Howery
a. CS (UIUC)
b. Polish
17. Keith Rabois, former executive at PayPal
a. Political Science (Stanford), Law (Harvard). Stanford Review contributor
18. Jack Selby, co-founded Clarium Capital with Peter Thiel
a. Economics (Hamilton College)
19. Premal Shah, former product manager at PayPal, founding president of Kiva.org
a. Economics? (Stanford)
b. India
20. Russel Simmons, former PayPal engineer who co-founded Yelp Inc.
a. CS (UIUC)
21. Jeremy Stoppelman
a. CS (UIUC)
22. Yishan Wong, former engineering manager at PayPal
a. CS ? (Carnegie-Mellon)
23. Dan Chan, pre-IPO PayPal employee
a. Business and Finance, UC Riverside




2012
June Commencement speech at Caltech

“..if I can advance technology then that’s like magic and that’d be really cool.. I always had kind of a slight existential crisis, so I was trying to figure out, what does it all mean, like what’s the purpose of things, and, um, I came to the conclusion that if - if we can advance the - the knowledge of the world, if we can do things that expand the scope and - and scale of consciousness, then we’re better able to ask the right questions and become more enlightened and that’s really the only way forward.” [0:00]

2013
SXSW interview

Q:  “What’s the best advice you’ve ever got?” Elon:  “Well, I think that - uh - physics training is a very good training, where it’s a good framework for reasoning where you’re trained to think about first principles and reason from there, and that means boiling things down to the most fundamental truths, and then connecting those truths in a way to try to understand how reality is - because physics has this problem with trying to figure out things that are totally counterintuitive - and so they had to have a framework for getting there. Like quantum mechanics is incredibly counterintuitive  - uh - but it’s true.” [48:25]

2015
Interview at Stanford
Elon “that's not exactly advice. That has been encapsulated into time-warping wisdom. Yeah, exactly like wisdom. I mean there's a lot of things. Listen more to critical feedback. A lot of things I learned in college actually were pretty helpful.
I mean, I think the physics approach to thinking is very good-- like the first principles approach. And you applied that broadly? Yeah, applying the first principles in process of thinking is, I think, a good way to figure out counter-intuitive situations. And I thought that was really a helpful thing to learn. That's good. Feel free to jump in. Because I don't know how it ends for that question. Yeah, what would you do? What would you tell your younger self? It will be alright. You weren't as dorky as you think-- advice like that-- nothing really too actionable. Don't worry about it? Well, just don't be so insecure about everything you're insecure about, would probably be my advice to myself. But let's move on.”

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The ELON_MUSK_ARCHIVE_1
« Reply #20 on: November 20, 2022, 05:01:49 AM »

For the matter of data security the files in the Google web-space are archived here in the ELON_MUSK_ARCHIVE_1


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Ayumi

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FREIHEIT FÜR DIE BOT-NETZE!!!!!!!!!!!!!
« Reply #21 on: November 26, 2022, 01:30:18 AM »

Nun läßt Elon Musk die Bot-Netze los, aber so richtig. Sein Kumpel, der mehrhunderttausendfache Massenmörder Wladimir Putin, wird sich freuen:


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Twitter-Besitzer Elon Musk hat angekündigt, von dem Kurznachrichtendienst verbannte Accounts in der kommenden Woche grundsätzlich wieder freischalten zu wollen. Damit zieht er die Konsequenz aus einer von ihm durchgeführten Umfrage,

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mehr:
https://meedia.de/2022/11/25/musk-verspricht-amnestie-fuer-gesperrte-twitter-konten/
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Waraliestra

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Die Avocados des Kindergartengörs Elon Musk
« Reply #23 on: November 29, 2022, 02:11:50 PM »

Der Größenwahn des Elon Musk fordert seinen Tribut. Doch die Untergetanen mucken auf.

https://twitter.com/ericzhu105/status/1597246407546908679

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Eric Zhu @ericzhu105

are you kidding me rn?

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4:09 PM · Nov 28, 2022
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de 🥃@densi_ls
Nov 28
Replying to @ericzhu105
Never ever attack Elons avocado toast addiction

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The Road Jess Travelled @JessPected
Nov 28
Replying to @ericzhu105
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Jeff Joblum @JoeyFontana3
21h
Replying to @JessPected and @ericzhu105

Why does @elonmusk hate free speech?
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Parrotty Account @ProgressiveTwit
Nov 28
Replying to @ericzhu105
Avocados have much thicker skin than Elon Musk.

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Bitten Beads Jewelry @BittenBeads
23h
Replying to @ProgressiveTwit and @ericzhu105

Canned peaches have a thicker skin than elmo.

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Ben Chiarelli @benchiarelli
23h
Replying to @ericzhu105
Really?  @TwitterSupport can you guys explain this stuff?

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StandForSomething @resistanreform
23h
Replying to @ericzhu105

#ELONMUSK
#TaxTwitter
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Jesse Kershaw @KershawJesse
20h
Replying to @resistanreform and @ericzhu105
Money can't buy you class, dignity, or happiness, but it can buy you a hairline.

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Maggie Mae @MotherMary08
23h
Replying to @ericzhu105 and @joncoopertweets
Wow! I was just called all sorts of foul things, I wish someone would just talk about my breakfast.
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Patrick Orlando @Twitbunchonumb
23h
Replying to @ericzhu105 and @joncoopertweets

TBF this tweet is misleading. Where the hell are you gonna find Avocado toast for 8 bucks? Maybe somewhere in the Midwest but it’d be guacamole on wonder bread

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Blue Dot in a Red Stitt @jlombar09449162
23h
Replying to @ericzhu105
That is simply ridiculous. So this will be his personal platform to allow or deny thoughts?  He will allow other public figures to be ripped to shreds but gets offended for himself over avocado toast?  Apple isn’t going to be his biggest problem…

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Jonathan Pyfer @JonathanPyfer
21h
Replying to @jlombar09449162 and @ericzhu105
Republicans have been dealing with this for years.  Welcome to the club!!
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Darren Mart @buddyknavery
22h
Replying to  @ericzhu105

Is this real? I only ask b/c I'm seeing a bunch of these ridiculous cases lately and I don't know if it's just a joke where I'm not up to speed.

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Kellie @kjomad
22h
Replying to @ericzhu105 and @PiperDewn
Things avocado toast is not: 🥑

A race
An ethnicity
A nation origin
A sexual orientation (I don’t think 😳)
A gender or gender identity
A religious affiliation
An age
A disability
Or a serious disease

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Laurie J Hughes 🦋 #BlackLivesMatter @ljhatgisdotnet
20h
Replying to @kjomad @ericzhu105 and @PiperDewn
I mean, he MAY really NEED that avocado toast. For like his serious disability. Or something

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worelia

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Elon Musk burnt his bacon
« Reply #24 on: December 17, 2022, 12:23:31 AM »

Insanity shakes the nations. We thought madness was long gone. But we were wrong. The insane rule the earth.

Why does nobody stop them?




https://twitter.com/elonmusk/status/1603659604906213376

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Elon Musk @elonmusk

Twitter right now is 🔥🔥🔥🔥
8:53 AM · Dec 16, 2022
45.2K Retweets 16.3K Quote Tweets 608.8K Likes
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MASS MURDERERS:

Responsible for more than 83 dead: Taylor Winterstein, Edwin Tamasese


http://www.transgallaxys.com/~kanzlerzwo/index.php?topic=11338.msg27786#msg27786

Rhokia

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Re: Der Obernazi Elon Musk ergreift das Ruder
« Reply #25 on: December 18, 2022, 04:44:33 PM »



https://pbs.twimg.com/media/FkShyfzXgAA1-6e?format=jpg&name=small

Niemand hat die Absicht, eine Zensur zu errichten.

Wozu denn auch? Sie ist doch schon da!


Uopps! That did not age well...



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