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Ravi Devgan Finally Convicted of Fraud and Assault!
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Ravi Devgan Finally Convicted of Fraud and Assault!
This piece of shit--who fleeced my family for over $20,000--finally got convicted criminally for something.
He's gotten away with SO MUCH even after having his medical license revoked. People are saying "justice is done" but the detectives told me a conviction is fairly meaningless without a prison sentence. They can't fine him because he has no assets. His illegal drug sales net him tons of cash, but it's all off the books. We were told he was almost certainly selling pills out of our house and the police detective told my parents: "you don't even want to know about the kinds of people who have been in and out of your house".
Edit: You should have seen how calm and unconcerned he was at the opening of his trial. I was there to serve him with a No-Trespass notice and he didn't have a care in the world.

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TORONTO -- A disgraced former Toronto doctor, already stripped of his
medical licence for scamming terminal cancer patients, was found guilty
yesterday of fleecing a poor Chatham-Kent Mennonite family.
Ravi Devgan promised Wallaceburg residents Jacob and Maria Harms their
sons -- Jake Jr. and Willy Harms, now 12, who have cerebral palsy -- would
walk and talk again if they took his costly treatment program, said
Justice Carolyn Horkins.
She found the 59-year-old guilty of four counts of fraud and assault with
a weapon for injecting the wheelchair-bound twins in 2004.
This is similar to what in 2004 cost Devgan his licence: He preyed on
dying cancer patients, selling them on costly but useless treatments.
Horkins said Devgan concealed the fact he lost his medical licence in
January 2004, so he could bilk the "vulnerable" Wallaceburg family of
$3,000 cash for each large injection and $350 for small ones.
Horkins said the Mennonite couple sold their Mexican farm and equipment
for US$20,000 in 2003 and engaged in a church fundraiser to help cover
expenses for a cure.
The Harms paid Devgan $15,000 in 2003.
"The similarities between . . . this case and the facts that led to the
(licence loss) are striking," said Horkins.
"(He) preyed on a vulnerable family. To further his own financial interest
he never told Mr. Harms about the revocation. He continued to charge for
expensive injections when he knew he was no longer permitted to do so."
The Harms paid about $30,000 for injections over four years. The
treatments produced almost no improvements in the boys' conditions. They
remain in wheelchairs.
The father cut off the treatments once he learned Devgan had lost his
licence and why.
In revoking Devgan's licence, a committee of the Ontario College of
Physicians and Surgeons found he exploited "three families who have a
loved one diagnosed with terminal cancer (whom) he offered hope and then
charged excessive amounts of money to be paid up front."
All three patients, new immigrants, paid huge sums for treatments that
"appeared to have little, if any, utility," the discipline committee said.
Maria Harms was relieved to learn of yesterday's verdict.
"Good, I'm glad the judge believed my husband. I hope justice is done in
the end."
Devgan, who maintains his innocence, says he will appeal.
His sentencing is Sept. 17.

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Congratulations, Dan.
 
 
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Good to hear.
People who pry on the sick are the worst of all.
 
 
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I'm not generally pro-CP, but this is the kind of crime for which Capital Punishment by lethal injection
would seem appropriate.
Doctors piss me off.
 
 
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Omg please don't compare him to Doctors in general! This guy is a pathological con man. He used the whole "naturopath" thing as his main tool for ripping people off after his medical license was revoked. And above that, he was just a drug pusher selling oxycontin. He was busted with thousands and thousands of pills. Our lawyer's friend got ruined by a conviction for buying, but Devgan didn't get shit for selling it!
And he sued the Canadian government at HUMAN RIGHTS TRIBUNAL in the Hague! It's fucking crazy.
If anything, this shows the dangers of private medicine. He shouldn't have been allowed to offer "cures" for cancer privately--he was injecting people with venus fly-trap juice (or something very similar).
He ruined my perception of naturopathy. That shit needs to be regulated.
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Fake Doctors piss me off even more.
But my family has had its share of pain and loss due to faults in our health care system. (Particularly due to
improperly trained interns.)
 
 
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Congrats Dan (and the other families). I hope this sucka gets whats coming to him.
 
 
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If anything, this shows the dangers of private medicine. He shouldn't have been allowed to offer "cures" for cancer privately--he was injecting people with venus fly-trap juice (or something very similar).
He ruined my perception of naturopathy. That shit needs to be regulated.
i appreciate you are upset at what happened, and it sucks when people misappropriate an entire branch of medicine for criminal uses but one crook's false claims as a natropath shouldnt ruin your perception of the profession as they are mutually exlusive,
hopefully to win u back a bit towards naturopathic medicine:
and natropathy is regulated (anyone is welcome to call themselves a natropath and practice, but the same is said for many professions that are self-regulated and rely on customers to make sure they are using the services of a qualifed person):
federally: http://www.naturopathicassoc.ca/
ontario: Ontario Association of Naturopathic Doctors (OAND) www.oand.org
Naturopathic Accreditation and Examinations:
Council on Naturopathic Medical Education (CNME)
www.cnme.org
North American Board of Naturopathic Examiners (NABNE)
www.nabne.org
Naturopathic Physicians Licensing Examination Board (NPLEX)
www.naturopathic.org
 
 
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Yeah yeah...I know. It's the same as me saying PauerMaus shouldn't hate Doctors. At the same
time--IMO--professional (REAL) Doctors are more deserving of trust and confidence. I'd be totally down with naturopaths and alternative treatments if they had medical training (i.e. were real doctors/scientists).
This crook shouldn't sully an entire sector just because he's a pathological fuck-face. He WAS a real doctor, but ripped people off all the same.
 
 
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to add to judge wopners post, they (ND's) are working towards regulations towards the practise, procedures and providers.
the same people who were working towards mid-wife regulations and laws are now working towards the
same for ND's.
also, a ND would never prescribe oxycontin as terrible as this man is, he should not be named as any type of doctor, obviously he is a bad seed for anyone providing care.
very awesome that his name is out there and a picture would help too!
 
 
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I could have photographed him on a hundred different occasions, I've been very reluctant. His name is part of the public record now and he's no longer living in my home, so I don't have a problem posting a thread with his name, but posting his picture feels very risky, even if my legal battles with him are over. He's got low friends in low places.
I just tried to write up a decription, but...it wasn't working
 
 
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Yeah yeah...I know. It's the same as me saying PauerMaus shouldn't hate Doctors. At the same
time--IMO--professional (REAL) Doctors are more deserving of trust and confidence. I'd be totally down with naturopaths and alternative treatments if they had medical training (i.e. were real doctors/scientists). .
They do have medicinal training. They have health sciences degrees from University's and further doctorate programs.
Please do not make assumptions about a profession because of someone who claimed he was both an MD or ND
 
 
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Yeah yeah...I know. It's the same as me saying PauerMaus shouldn't hate Doctors. At the same
time--IMO--professional (REAL) Doctors are more deserving of trust and confidence. I'd be totally down with naturopaths and alternative treatments if they had medical training (i.e. were real doctors/scientists).
This crook shouldn't sully an entire sector just because he's a pathological fuck-face. He WAS a real doctor, but ripped people off all the same.
Correct me if I'm wrong, but doesn't the term 'naturopath' imply that the individual is a physician?
 
 
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I'm obviously swayed irrationally by my experiences with this jerk-off.
Apologies. *goes to learn more about NDs*
I feel like a dink
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And above that, he was just a drug pusher selling oxycontin. He was busted with thousands and thousands of pills. Our lawyer's friend got ruined by a conviction for buying, but Devgan didn't get shit for selling it!
And he sued the Canadian government at HUMAN RIGHTS TRIBUNAL in the Hague! It's fucking crazy.
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huh?
 
 
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You should have seen how calm and unconcerned he was at the opening of his trial. I was there to serve him with a No-Trespass notice and he didn't have a care in the world.
Textbook psychopath, which is how he got away with it for so long as well... being able to lie without guilt and nervousness is a huge asset when dealing with normal people.
That being said, most naturopaths are "inadvertent psychopaths", practicing bullshit without a care in the world, thinking they are doing good, when overall they are merely ripping people off (though they don't think they are). Kind of like priests, they feed sheep crap and tell them it's something else. Charging for the placebo effect is psychopathy, whether you have faith in it actually being something or not.
 
 
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That being said, most naturopaths are "inadvertent psychopaths", practicing bullshit without a care in the world, thinking they are doing good, when overall they are merely ripping people off (though they don't think they are). Kind of like priests, they feed sheep crap and tell them it's something else. Charging for the placebo effect is psychopathy, whether you have faith in it actually being something or not.
How do you ever get fresh breath with all the shit you spew out of your mouth?
 
 
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huh?
http://www1.umn.edu/humanrts/undocs/948-2000.html
He appealed some ruling/conviction/decision, abandoned the appeal, then tried to retract the abandonment, whcih was denied by the supreme court. So he sued under the pretext that his right to appeal was being violated, which it wasn't, because he's the one who abandoned the appeal in the first place.
 
 
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No matter how you slice the population (by age, gender, profession, etc) you will just about always find the
same percentage of ruthless assholes (fortunately small).
It's unfortunate your family encountered this one. Hopefully this will give you some closure.
 
 
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Closure? Maybe a little, but not really. We're not finished with him yet. My parents are coming back in August for a visit and we may press charges based on the wording of the Superior Court judge who quashed an appeal for us; he said Devgan was "attempting to live rent-free" by tying us up in court when we tried to evict him for non-payment of rent. That took seven months--he was suing us for half the money he had already paid. The detective in charge of this recent criminal case told us that the judge likely worded it that way so the police could charge for fraud if we wanted to. We'll see.
 
 
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Dude, this sounds so Pacific Heights...
 
 
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that decision to not hear his application is written like a very polite GFY.
this ravi guy sounds hilarious.
 
 
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how did he defraud your family?
 
 
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Congrats Dan! I know you've been looking forward to this
 
 
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he's not on wikipedia
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