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Givon Zirkind, one more impostor of a homeopath
« Reply #50 on: October 28, 2014, 11:29:36 PM »

At first sight this seems to be one more jerk, lining up with wonderful homeopathic remedies against ebola. But this case is different a) by very uncommon, perhaps unique name and b) rather amateurish statements and appearance.

http://homeopathic-treatments.blogspot.com/2014/10/ebola-homeopathic-treatment.html

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Homeopathy & Alternative Treatment

Wednesday, October 15, 2014

Ebola & Homeopathic Treatment

by Givon Zirkind, D.Hom.

Ebola is a very serious disease that requires professional medical care. Currently, Ebola has no known cure, vaccine or drug1. This article analyzes ebola from a homeopathic perspective and suggests possible courses of homeopathic treatment. Due to the seriousness of the disease, the treatments discussed would require an expert homeopath. Unfortunately, in the United States, almost all conventional medical doctors are not certified in the specialty of homeopathy. These treatments would best be conducted in teams of conventional medical doctors and homeopaths. This article is for informational purposes only and to promote the study of possible experimental treatments.

Ebola starts with flu like symptoms: fever, sore throat, muscle pain, headaches, fatigue. General malaise. This may be accompanied by vomitting, diarrhea and a rash (macules, papules, erythmaya). Often, a loss of appetite. Also, there may be joint, muscle and abdominal pain.2345

The less common symptoms are: difficulty swallowing, hiccups, shortness of breath, and chest pain.

The second stage of the disease involves bleeding. The bleeding is often light and not profuse but, interminable. Bleeding is prevalent in the mucous membranes, the gastro-intenstinal tract, nose, vagina, gums, skin. Eyes may become red. Vomit & cough bloody. Blood in the stool. (Petechiae, purpura, ecchymoses & hematomas develop.)

The pains are apparently indicative of the progression of the disease. The stomach pains appear to be the precusor of internal bleeding of the abdomin. The chest pains evolve from the weakening of the lungs with subsequent bleeding.

Symptoms requiring further definition for a homeopathic diagnosis:

Fever, headache, fatigue, blood in stool & vagina, joint pain. For homeopathic treatment, these symptoms require much more specification. Origin, color, concommitant symptoms, etc.

Repetorizing the main rubric/symptom of the disease:

FEVER, HAEMORRHAGE, oozing blood – as a keynote, the one rubic repetorization indicates the remedies:
SULPHURICUM ACIDUM and CROTUS HORRIDUS.

THE REMEDIES MOST STRONGLY INDICATED IN TREATING EBOLA

– SULPHURICUM ACIDUM has an anamnesis and symptomology very similar to ebola.
– CROTUS HORRIDUS has many similar but less severe symptoms as its keynotes.
– CROTALUS CASCAVELLA likewise, has bleeding and haemorrhaging.


Using Kent's Repetory produces the following list of rubrics:

EYE, ECCHYMOSIS
NOSE, EPISTAXIS
MOUTH, BLEEDING, oozing of gums, GUMS
THROAT, SWALLOWING, difficult
STOMACH VOMITTING, blood
HICCOUGH
RESPIRATION, DIFFICULT
EXPECTORTION, BLOODY, spitting of blood

[More symptoms could be repetorized, but for accuracy, further definition is required. Ex. Color of blood in stool, etc.]

Based upon the above list of rubrics from Kent, the following remedies repetorize:6

ARUM TRIPHYLLUM, FERRUM, CROTALUS HORRIDUS, SULFURICUM ACIDUM
Lower on the list but still notable: STANNUM, CROTUS CASCAVELLA, ELAPS and a few others.

NOTES FROM PROVINGS

– ARUM TRIPHYLLUM is more of a vesicular remedy and is not as haemorrhagic as seen in ebola.

– CROTALUS HORRIDUS is a remedy that is well noted that affects the decomposition of the blood—as the snake poison itself does. Ecchymoses is a noted symptom of CROTALUS HORRIDUS.
– CROTALUS CASCAVELLA Importantly, casavella poisoning has the keynotes of ebola symptomology. The bleeding, the haemorhaging, the coughing & vomitting often with pain, sleeplessness, pain in the chest, fever. Difficulty swallowing. Bleeding from the gums. Nosebleed. Bloody diarrhea and hiccup.

– FERRUM is well noted a remedy that affects the blood.

– SULFURICUM ACIDUM has very similar haemorraghic symptomology compared with ebola.


PROPHYLACTIC TREATMENT

Until one or more remedies are clinically proven to be statistically highly efficacious, the prophylactic treatment should include those remedies that seem most likely to be effective with treating ebola.

SULPHURICUM ACIDUM, CROTUS HORRIDUS, CROTALUS CASCAVELLA, FERRUM and ARUM TRIPHYLLUM.

[A standard homeopathic prophylactic course of treatment is 30C / 3x/day / 3 days.]


In Sum: As a homeopath, sight unseen, without any further symptom definition, I would recommend CROTALUS CASCAVELLA, CROTUS HORRIDUS and SULFURICUM ACIDUM. ARUM TRIPHYLLUM and FERRUM should be used if indicated. It must be remembered, that a patient, upon examination, may have a different symptom picture that would indicate another homeopathic remedy.

1 CDC, Ebola, Treatment; http://www.cdc.gov/vhf/ebola/treatment/index.html

2 "Ebola Hemorrhagic Fever Signs and Symptoms". CDC. 2014-01-28. Retrieved 2014-08-02

3 "Ebola virus disease". Fact sheet N°103. World Health Organization. 2014-04-0

4 Simpson DIH (1977). "Marburg and Ebola virus infections: a guide for their diagnosis, management, and control" (PDF). WHO Offset Publication No. 36. p. 10f.

5 Feldmann, H; Geisbert, TW (2011 Mar 5). "Ebola haemorrhagic fever.". Lancet 377 (9768): 849–62. PMID 21084112

6 Credit to Homeoint.Org Their website is very useful when traveling and away from my library.
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6 Fake Ebola Cures Being Peddled Online
« Reply #51 on: October 29, 2014, 06:38:38 PM »

"6 Fake Ebola Cures Being Peddled Online" is an article by Matt Novak (10/17/14 12:10pm 10/17/14 12:10pm) about Chappell, Benneth, and other frauds. He mentions Givon Zirkind, but much too short:

http://factually.gizmodo.com/6-fake-ebola-cures-being-promoted-online-1642118276


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Givon Zirkind is Harlow Zirkind of Teaneck, NJ
« Reply #52 on: October 29, 2014, 08:45:33 PM »

Givon Zirkind has a history in the web. The most unveiling find is this user profile:

http://www.otherhealth.com/members/givon-zirkind.html

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Givon Zirkind 
Junior Member

About Me

About Givon Zirkind
Location Teaneck, NJ USA
Occupation Computer Scientist
Interests homeopathy, iridology, nutritional therapy, Bach Flower remedies, computers, classical music, ice sk

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This Page http://www.otherhealth.com/members/givon-zirkind.html
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Givon Zirkind 
Junior Member

Contact Info
Home Page http://idt.net/~zirkind
This Page http://www.otherhealth.com/members/givon-zirkind.html

Mini Statistics Join Date 22nd December 2000
Total Posts 3

Group Memberships (1)
 Public Usergroups:  Devon School Members
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His old homepage is gone, but kept archived in the Web Archive:

http://web.archive.org/web/*/http://idt.net/~zirkind/*

For the prosecutors a hint:

http://web.archive.org/web/20001001084008/http://idt.net/~zirkind/APPEAL2.HTM

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Harlow Zirkind,  Appellant
547 Wyndham Road
Teaneck,  NJ   07666
201-836-7557
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http://web.archive.org/web/20001001083857/http://idt.net/~zirkind/FED01.HTM

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PLAINTIFF:
I, Harlow Zirkind, also known as Givon Zirkind, residing in Teaneck, NJ with a mailing address of 547 Wyndham Road, Teaneck, NJ, 07666 am the plaintiff.
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Givon Zirkind is Harlow Zirkind, the person the court documents are about. He uploaded the material in 1999 and let it go in 2002. The legal matter was concerning divorce, father's rights, and fraud by lawyers, attorneys, and others.

http://web.archive.org/web/19991002054404/http://idt.net/~zirkind/involved.htm

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How I became involved with Father's Rights.
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http://web.archive.org/web/19991002005806/http://idt.net/~zirkind/HABEAS02.HTM

http://web.archive.org/web/19991002044045/http://idt.net/~zirkind/STELLA.HTM

http://web.archive.org/web/20001001083934/http://idt.net/~zirkind/CHIMENTI.HTM

http://web.archive.org/web/19991114153734/http://idt.net/~zirkind/HABEAS01.HTM

http://web.archive.org/web/20001001083907/http://idt.net/~zirkind/NYC03.HTM

http://web.archive.org/web/20001001083847/http://idt.net/~zirkind/PASSMONTY.HTM

http://web.archive.org/web/19990922043127/http://idt.net/~zirkind/EPSTEIN.HTM

http://web.archive.org/web/19991002023255/http://idt.net/~zirkind/JOINDER01.HTM

http://web.archive.org/web/20000118090849/http://idt.net/~zirkind/BERRILL.HTM

http://web.archive.org/web/20000226053202/http://idt.net/~zirkind/HABEAS03.HTM

Big drama. But I give a damn about it for a lunatic who advises homeopathy for treating and preventing ebola.


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The Zirkind rose war and the FBI
« Reply #53 on: October 29, 2014, 09:33:24 PM »

The Zirkind rose war flamed up in 1993? Zirkind mentions 1993.

6 years later he uploads a website.

20 years later the FBI cracks up on the rabbis... The situation and its consequences are madness, to say the least. As piece of proof a full quote here.

http://www.thejewishweek.com/news/new-york-news/accused-kidnap-rabbi-known-wild-west-rules

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Accused Kidnap Rabbi Known For ‘Wild West’ Rules

Man at heart of FBI sting operation is well known in the torrid world of non-amicable Orthodox divorce.
10/16/13
 Adam Dickter
 Assistant Managing Editor
 

 Nearly any Orthodox woman who has struggled with the process of obtaining a halachic divorce from an uncooperative or vindictive husband in the New York area has heard the name Mendel Epstein.

 The 68-year old rabbi, who appears to have homes in Flatbush, Brooklyn, and Lakewood, N.J., has been closely involved in the world of agunot, or “chained women,” for some three decades, serving as a toen, the halachic equivalent of a lawyer.

 In an interview with the Five Towns Jewish Times last summer, Rabbi Epstein said he was “disturbed by the number of women who find themselves in unbearably difficult situations” in divorce proceedings. He proposed a “bill of rights” for Jewish wives that includes, “A woman in an abusive relationship has a right to seek a get.”

 But according to the FBI, which rounded up Rabbi Epstein and nine other men in an alleged interstate abduction ring last week and raided several homes and a Monsey yeshiva, his methods of persuading husbands to come around ran afoul of the law, if not halacha, and could land him and his associates in federal prison.

 “I always knew he is a vigilante operating in system similar to the Wild West,” said Rivka Haut, a longtime activist on behalf of agunot who has known the rabbi for years, but said she had no direct knowledge of any abductions.

 However, she said that women in such situations frequently asked her advice about pursuing such extreme measures. Haut, a co-founder of the advocacy group Agunah, Inc., says she has always counseled people to steer clear of violence or illegal schemes.

 “Most of these women had to leave the marriage not because they want to go live with someone else, but because they married someone with serious problems,” Haut said. “Usually, they are desperate to be halachically released.”

 According to the FBI, there are plenty of area women desperate enough to go through with illegal means. The complaint by New Jersey U.S. Attorney Paul J. Fishman, which was obtained by The Jewish Week, says Rabbi Epstein boasted to undercover agents that he carried out batei din, or rabbinical courts, to authorize the use of force, followed by abductions and coerced divorces on a regular basis “every year … year and a half” for an unspecified time period.

 Fishman told The New York Times that two dozen husbands in divorce cases have been identified who may have been abducted from New York and taken to New Jersey to be roughed up by the defendants.

 A message left at Rabbi Epstein’s Brooklyn home was not returned as of Tuesday afternoon. A number listed for Mendel Epstein in Lakewood appeared to be connected to a fax machine. Attempts to identify a lawyer representing him were unsuccessful.

 The Asbury Park Press, citing an unnamed source, reported on Oct. 11 that the investigation was directly related to a similar ongoing case involving an Orthodox couple from Lakewood, David and Judy Wax, who were charged in 2011 with abducting an Israeli man to force him to grant a get. That case is still pending. More arrests related to both cases will be forthcoming, the source told Asbury Park Press.

 The FBI investigation originated in August and spanned until Oct. 7, when agents, including two posing as an agunah and her brother apprehended the defendants in a warehouse in Middlesex County, N.J. The fake scheme involved luring a supposed husband from New York City.

 The complaint alleges that Rabbi Epstein solicited $10,000 for the rabbis presiding in the bet din and an additional $50,000 to $60,000 for “tough guys” to carry out the abduction and coercion. The complaint does not specify whether Rabbi Epstein himself was to receive any of the fees.

 It doesn’t take more than an Internet search to link Rabbi Epstein to controversy. One man, Givon Zirkind, has launched an online crusade against the rabbi, posting an e-book and several YouTube videos that accuse him of various misdeeds against him. The rabbi’s name comes up on several blogs devoted to Orthodox wrongdoing, abuse and corruption.

 The rabbi himself speaks candidly about his unorthodox methods in an interview in “Women Unchained,” a 2011 documentary by filmmakers Beverly Siegel and Leta Letik.

 “I received a call from a young lady; she called and told me her son was kidnapped off a bus in Texas,” Rabbi Epstein says in a clip from “Women Unchained” posted by the Journal News of Rockland.

 “She had heard that I have an ability to do things that are outside the normal parameters and normal channels and if I can help her find her son and if I can help her get a get. … I told her to first call the FBI. If the FBI comes out [and says] that they can’t help, I would then be a little bit interested to see what I can possibly do.”

 The Oct. 7 complaint filed in U.S. District Court in Trenton quotes Rabbi Epstein saying that “basically what we are going to be doing is kidnapping a guy for a couple of hours and beating him up and torturing him and then getting him to give the get.” At one point he mentioned electric cattle prods being used, and at another said his son used karate to persuade the kidnapped men.

 In addition to Rabbi Epstein, the other rabbis arrested were Rabbi Martin Wolmark and Rabbi Jacob Goldstein. Rabbi Wolmark is rosh yeshiva of Shaarei Torah, a prominent High School in upstate Suffern. On Wednesday night, following the arrests, federal agents in six cars conducted a search for evidence at the yeshiva, as well as at Rabbi Epstein’s Brooklyn home, according to press reports.

 Another individual was identified as Ariel Potash, who is cited in the complaint as the man who served as a shaliach, or emissary, to accept the get on behalf of the agent pretending to be an agunah.

 Rabbi Goldstein is not the same person as the politically active Crown Heights chasidic leader by the same name who is chairman of Brooklyn’s Community Board 9.

 In all, 10 people were arrested in the scheme, apprehended at the warehouse in New Jersey as they gathered to carry out the fake kidnap plot. The case is a federal matter because it involves alleged kidnapping and crossing state lines. Denied bail, the defendants remained in custody as of Tuesday afternoon, though a bail hearing was set for that day.

 Rabbi Epstein is known to have served as a toen, or advocate/adviser to people appearing before rabbinical courts for the past 30 years. It is unclear if he has any other livelihood, though haut said he at one point held a synagogue pulpit and was the principal of a girls’ yeshiva.

 A business, Mendel Epstein and Associates is listed at his Brooklyn address with him as managing partner.
 The arrests, which garnered national news coverage, cast a spotlight on the ugly world of non-amicable Orthodox divorces in which men are empowered to prevent women from moving on with their lives.

 Numerous organizations have been formed to advocate for such women and New York law has been amended to allow judges to consider a couple’s get status when dividing marital assets. Also, several area rabbis have been known to act as intermediaries in such cases, sometimes asking for payment for their services.

 Goon squads that force recalcitrant husbands to issue the divorce have been mostly the stuff of Jewish urban legend, though a few cases, such as the 2011 Wax case, have gone to the legal system.

 Haut, an Orthodox activist who is working on an upcoming book, “The Agunah Chronicles,” with Susan Aranoff, with whom she cofounded Agunah, Inc., said she was “surprised to see the headlines” about the FBI sting but “not surprised to see the content.

 “Everybody knew very well about his activities, which were not always on behalf of women, but sometimes on behalf of husbands. He plays many roles: dayan [judge], toen and vigilante.”

 Haut said that when she and Aranoff started out as advocates for agunot, Rabbi Epstein approached them “in a very charming way” to teach them about a “fascinating, complicated world” and referred many women to their organization.
 She said that while she and Aranoff deal extensively with the rabbi and his activities in their book, to be published by MacFarland Publishing, they had not named him in early drafts, but will do so now.

 Haut faults leading rabbis who shape modern halacha for failing to come up with a takana, or solution, to empower women to free themselves from bad, sometimes dangerous marriages, though many such modifications have been proposed by rabbis and agunah advocates. Proposals include a pre-nuptial agreement to provide a get, and a process of ex post facto annulment of a marriage agreement, if needed.

 “Today’s rabbinate is not willing to use halachic solutions that certainly exist, leaving the field wide open for other rabbis to take advantage,” said Haut.

 While denouncing any illegal methods, Haut said, “I blame the established rabbis for leaving a vacuum where people like that can step in.”

 In addition to the legal issues in the case, there is also the question of whether those who may have paid tens of thousands for the rabbi's alleged services got what they paid for.

 While it has been a common practice to pressure husbands into granting a get through actions within the community -- such as issuing a seruv, a kind of excommunication from religious life, --physically forced gittin create, at the very least, a halachic gray area.

 "A get, in limited circumstances, after a reputable beis din has decided it is proper to pressure the recalcitrant husband, is valid even if given under duress," said Rabbi Avi Shafran, a spokesman for Agudath Israel of America. "Usually, though, in our society, such duress consists of “shunning” sorts of pressures: not allowing the man to receive an aliya, and things like that. 

 "Physical duress, if it violates secular law, would not, to the best of my knowledge, be permissible."

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 Submitted by Anonymous (not verified) on Wed, 11/13/2013 - 18:42.

"Adapt or perish": It is high time for women to be able to receive or give a Get without the current requisite permission of the husband. The younger generation looks to this practice as antiquated, barbaric, with fear and disdain. If it is the goal for women to stay in the fold, then allow them the respect of being able to hallachically leave a home where there is no peace so they may start anew to create and share that peace.
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 Submitted by Anonymous (not verified) on Wed, 10/30/2013 - 02:13.

He deserves what he did to others. Only double!
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 Submitted by Anonymous (not verified) on Mon, 10/28/2013 - 21:55.

In another country these foney
 Rabbis would be executed
 In this country they are out
 on bail

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 Submitted by Mendel the mouse (not verified) on Sun, 10/20/2013 - 08:30.

why not lock him up for life?
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 Submitted by Anonymous (not verified) on Thu, 10/17/2013 - 15:03.

If Orthodox rabbis really want to help women obtain gets, they would insist that every ketuvah contain a get pre-signed by the husband. Many conservative ketuvot, mine included, contain such a get. Jewish wives are unlikely to be so immature as to add their signature in a moment of heated argument. However, for those who need to leave a marriage, this would be a life-saver.
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 Submitted by Yankel Doe (not verified) on Thu, 10/17/2013 - 12:53.

Why " It is unclear if he has any other livelihood, though haut said he at one point held a synagogue pulpit and was the principal of a girls’ yeshiva." ? Anyone familiar with Rabbi Epstein could have told the reporter that he headed a girl's school, Bais Yaakov of Flatbush which closed around 1980. He is currently the Rabbi in a Kensington Brooklyn shul. Doesn't anyone do any fact checking at the Jewish Week?
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 Submitted by Leta Lenik (not verified) on Thu, 10/17/2013 - 02:37.

The picture you are using is from the Documentary "Women Unchained" which you did a story about one of the producers. Please credit the photo.
 Leta Lenik
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 Submitted by Anonymous (not verified) on Wed, 10/16/2013 - 23:42.

to the one who is not a fN of his methods,have u spoken with daas tora b4 offering your opinion
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 Submitted by Ben (not verified) on Wed, 10/16/2013 - 16:05.

The collective failure of our rabbonim to deal with abusive husbands and perpetrators of child abuse has led to ugly, but necessary, underground methods. Halachah must be adapted to meet the needs of our people.
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 Submitted by Duvid Moshe (not verified) on Wed, 10/16/2013 - 13:49.

Having been "held up" by my X's attorney -- "if she gets pregnant you will be the father" and my knowing why I was telling my wife "goodbye and don't let the door hit you on the way out" I gave her everything in our bank account (about $7,000) -- I would not pay for the get -- a group of black hats sat thereand carefully wrote out the get and that was it -- All I can say about this is that "I am OK but these rebbes are OY VEY.
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 Submitted by Anonymous (not verified) on Wed, 10/16/2013 - 13:45.

The sad thing is that once the details of the method in which Mendel Epstein operated come out in court, the consensus in the Charedi world will be that gitten in which he was involved are invalid. This will result in children from second marriages in which women obtained the services of Epstein to be considered mamzairim and unmarriageable. I’m not a fan of how Epstein operated, but the children are innocent.
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 Submitted by Anonymous (not verified) on Fri, 10/18/2013 - 06:43.

the sad thing is that your trying to pasken about something that you dont know anything about
 if you have nothing good to say . say nothing
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 Submitted by Anonymous (not verified) on Fri, 10/18/2013 - 11:31.

There is no question that the Gittin coerced by Mendel Epstein through illegal means are invalid.
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This comment shows the insanity and cruelty of that parallel world:

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 Submitted by Anonymous (not verified) on Wed, 10/16/2013 - 13:45.

The sad thing is that once the details of the method in which Mendel Epstein operated come out in court, the consensus in the Charedi world will be that gitten in which he was involved are invalid. This will result in children from second marriages in which women obtained the services of Epstein to be considered mamzairim and unmarriageable. I’m not a fan of how Epstein operated, but the children are innocent.
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This is deepest stone-age bullshit of the worst kind:

"This will result in children [...] to be considered mamzairim and unmarriageable."

Epstein is not the only idiot and criminal there.

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Harlow 'Givon' Zirkind's videos and books
« Reply #54 on: October 29, 2014, 10:14:39 PM »

http://lonnakin.blogspot.com/2009/06/lonna-kin-ralbag-is-phony-agunah.html

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Givon Zirkind
August 30, 2011 at 2:39 PM

There is nothing new about fake Agunot, false Gittin, women in America filing false abuse charges. Etc. Etc. Jewish women are no different than the single mothers Ann Coulter discusses. For more info, watch the following and read the book.

Video #1:  http://bit.ly/oclQzS
Video #2:  http://bit.ly/qoXFgy
Video #3:  http://bit.ly/oGmJZD
Video #4:  http://bit.ly/nVIhCV
Video #5:  http://bit.ly/oewiI1
Video #6:  http://bit.ly/nDPybc
Video #7:  http://bit.ly/qjCOeU
Video #8:  http://bit.ly/ruNlGQ
Video #9:  http://bit.ly/mU0Q6y
Video #10: http://bit.ly/oVTyDb

Tatty, I Have a Lawyer
http://bit.ly/oHHG1A
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None of the videos still is there. But the last link leads to

http://www.fathersrightsnetwork.net/groups/afcc

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The Fathers Rights Network remains a Free Resource, however we do ask that you visit one of the sites above to help our Sponsor defray the costs to host our service. --> The Fathers Rights Network advocates the Rights for Children to have access to BOTH Parents.

AFCC

Association Family Conciliation Courts

Following is the complaint brought against the AFCC, Association Family Conciliation Courts that exposes the national infrastructure for bribery of family and divorce court judges in the United States which aids judicial kidnapping of children under the color of the law.

 You can download the book "Tatty, I Have A Lawyer," by Givon Zirkind. You can also download, some of the appendixes and exhibits to the book. They are listed at the bottom of this web page. (see the word document below)

 You can download the book "Tales of a Recalcitrant Husband: The Agunah Series, Book II" by Givon Zirkind.
http://www.afcc.demon.nl/bookii.zip

You can also download, some of the appendixes and exhibits to the book. They are listed at the bottom of this web page.
 Tatty-I-Have-a-Lawyer.DOC
http://www.fathersrightsnetwork.net/uploads/jC/UE/jCUEtv8o6iqmsfG98p8AZw/Tatty-I-Have-a-Lawyer.DOC

The content on this page is provided for Givon Zirkind.
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The second url is okay, but the first is spoiled. The Web Archive has a copy at

http://web.archive.org/web/20051226123623/http://www.afcc.demon.nl/bookii.zip


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Re: Homöopathen ohne Grenzen gehen nach Liberia und Sierra Leone!
« Reply #55 on: October 29, 2014, 11:01:44 PM »

In his web-site Giveon Zirkind posted "Ebola & Homeopathic Treatment" on 15th. October 2014. Only some days later he already is translated in full by a German publisher.

English original:

http://homeopathic-treatments.blogspot.com/2014/10/ebola-homeopathic-treatment.html

German translation:

http://www.narayana-verlag.com/spektrum-homoeopathie/die-homoeopathische-behandlung-von-ebola

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Die homöopathische Behandlung von Ebola

von Givon Zirkind, D.Hom.

Ebola ist eine lebensgefährliche Krankheit, die professionelle medizinische Versorgung verlangt. Derzeit existieren keinerlei bekannte Therapien, Impfstoffe oder Medikamente für diese Krankheit.(1) Dieser Artikel analysiert Ebola aus der Sicht der Homöopathie und empfiehlt mögliche homöopathische Behandlungsverfahren.

Aufgrund der Schwere der Erkrankung sollten die vorgestellten Behandlungsweisen nur von einem erfahrenen Homöopathen durchgeführt werden. Leider gibt es in den USA fast keine Schulmediziner mit einer anerkannten homöopathischen Fachausbildung. In diesem Falle wäre eine Teamarbeit aus schulmedizinischen Ärzten und Homöopathen die beste Lösung. Dieser Artikel dient ausschließlich informativen Zwecken und soll das Studium möglicher experimenteller Therapien fördern.

Ebola beginnt mit grippeähnlichen Symptomen:

Fieber, Halsentzündung, Muskelschmerzen, Kopfschmerzen, Abgeschlagenheit. Ein allgemeines Unwohlsein. Mögliche Begleitsymptome sind Erbrechen, Durchfall und ein Exanthem (Maculae, Papeln, Erytheme). Häufig besteht Appetitverlust. Es können auch Gelenk-, Muskel- und Bauchschmerzen auftreten.(2/3/4/5)

Weniger verbreitete Symptome sind: Schwieriges Schlucken, Schluckauf, Atemnot und Brustschmerzen.

 
Die zweite Phase der Erkrankung...

...geht mit Blutungen einher. Die Blutung ist zumeist nicht profus, aber dafür langwierig. Betroffen sind vorwiegend Schleimhäute, Magen-Darm-Trakt, Nase, Vagina, Zahnfleisch und Haut. Die Augen können gerötet sein. Bluterbrechen und Bluthusten. Blut im Stuhl. (Es bilden sich Petechien, Purpura, Ekchymosen und Hämatome.)

Offensichtlich lassen die Schmerzen Rückschlüsse auf das Fortschreiten der Krankheit zu. Allem Anschein nach sind die Magenschmerzen der Vorbote innerer abdominaler Blutungen. Die Brustschmerzen entwickeln sich aus einer Schwächung der Lunge mit anschließender Blutung.

Symptome, die für eine homöopathische Diagnose einer genaueren Beschreibung bedürfen:
Fieber, Kopfschmerzen, Abgeschlagenheit, Blut im Stuhl und Vaginalblutung, Gelenkschmerzen.

Um homöopathisch behandeln zu können, müssen diese Symptome näher spezifiziert werden: Entstehung, Farbe, Begleitsymptome usw.

Repetorisierung der wichtigsten Rubriken/Symptome der Krankheit:
FIEBER, BLUTUNG, Sickerblutung – als Leitsymptom. Die Repertorisierung anhand von Einzelrubriken ergibt die Mittel SULPHURICUM ACIDUM und CROTALUS HORRIDUS.

FÜR DIE BEHANDLUNG VON EBOLA AM STÄRKSTEN INDIZIERTE MITTEL:

– SULPHURICUM ACIDUM ist dem Ebolafieber in Anamnese und Symptomatik am ähnlichsten.

– CROTALUS HORRIDUS hat viele ähnliche, aber weniger schwere Leitsymptome.

– CROTALUS CASCAVELLA weist ebenfalls Blutungen auf.


Kents Repertorium ergibt folgende Rubriken:

AUGE – EKCHYMOSE
NASE – NASENBLUTEN
MUND – BLUTEN – Zahnfleisch – Blut sickert heraus, schwarzes
HALS – INNERER – SCHLUCKEN, behindert – schwierig
MAGEN – ERBRECHEN – Blut
MAGEN – SCHLUCKAUF
ATMUNG – BEHINDERT
AUSWURF – BLUTIG, Hämoptoe

(Es könnten noch mehr Symptome repertorisiert werden, dazu bräuchte man der Exaktheit halber aber eine genauere Beschreibung: Exanthem1, Farbe des Bluts im Stuhl usw.)

Anhand obiger Liste von Kent lassen sich folgende Mittel repertorisieren:(6)

ARUM TRIPHYLLUM, FERRUM, CROTALUS HORRIDUS, SULFURICUM ACIDUM

Auf niedrigeren Plätzen, doch immer noch auffallend: STANNUM, CROTALUS CASCAVELLA, ELAPS und einige weitere.

AUS PRÜFUNGSPROTOKOLLEN
– ARUM TRIPHYLLUM ist eher ein Mittel für Blasenbildung und hat nicht so starke Blutungen, wie sie bei Ebola auftreten.

– CROTALUS HORRIDUS ist ein gut geprüftes Mittel bei Blutzersetzung, wie sie vom Schlangengift selbst hervorgerufen wird. Ekchymosen sind ein bekanntes Symptom von CROTALUS HORRIDUS.

– CROTALUS CASCAVELLA – besonders nennenswert. Eine Cascavella-Vergiftung weist die Leitsymptome der Ebola-Symptomatik auf: Blutungen, (oftmals schmerzhaftes) Husten und Erbrechen, Schlaflosigkeit, Brustschmerzen, Fieber. Schwieriges Schlucken. Zahnfleischbluten. Nasenbluten. Blutiger Durchfall und Schluckauf.

– FERRUM ist ein gut geprüftes Mittel mit einer besonderen Affinität zum Blut.

– SULFURICUM ACIDUM hat ganz ähnliche Blutungssymptome wie Ebola.

PROPHYLAXE

Solange nicht eines oder mehrere Mittel zur Feststellung der statistischen Wirksamkeit klinisch geprüft wurden, sollte die Prophylaxe auf jene Mittel zurückgreifen, deren Wirksamkeit bei der Behandlung von Ebola am wahrscheinlichsten ist.


SULPHURICUM ACIDUM, CROTALUS HORRIDUS, CROTALUS CASCAVELLA, FERRUM und ARUM TRIPHYLLUM.
[Eine standardmäßige homöopathische Prophylaxe wäre 3 x täglich C30, über 3 Tage.]

Zusammenfassung:

Als Homöopath würde ich unbesehen, ohne genauere Symptombeschreibungen, CROTALUS CASCAVELLA, CROTALUS HORRIDUS und SULFURICUM ACIDUM empfehlen. ARUM TRIPHYLLUM und FERRUM sollten gegeben werden, wenn sie angezeigt sind. Dabei sollte nicht außer Acht gelassen werden, dass ein Patient bei der Untersuchung ein anderes Symptombild aufweisen kann, das ein anderes homöopathisches Mittel angezeigt sein lässt.


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1 CDC, Ebola, Behandlung: http://www.cdc.gov/vhf/ebola/treatment/index.html

2 "Ebola Hemorrhagic Fever Signs and Symptoms". CDC. 28.01.2014. Stand vom 02.08.2014

3 "Ebola virus disease". Merkblatt 103. WHO. April 2014

4 Simpson DIH (1977). "Marburg and Ebola virus infections: a guide for their diagnosis, management, and control" (PDF). WHO Offset Publication No. 36. S. 10f. 1

5 Feldmann, H; Geisbert, TW (05.03.2011). "Ebola haemorrhagic fever". Lancet 377 (9768): 849–62. PubMed-ID 21084112

6 s. auch Homeoint.Org – Diese Website ist auf Reisen sehr nützlich, wenn ich keinen Zugang zu meinen Büchern habe.

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Is that translation authorized? What kind of connections exist between an American homeopathy jerk and a German publisher?

Whilst the other frauds like Benneth were single persons this is the first book selling and publishing company to publish claims which can be called a trigger to genocide. Homeopathic remedies used as prophylactica against ebola will make family members and tribe members believe they are save. This dilusion will cause them to have contact with ebola patients, and so they too will be infected. That's a nuclear bomb of ebola. Will burn off the countries from the map.
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Harlow Givon Zirkind: Tales of A “Recalcitrant” Husband and His Journeys
« Reply #56 on: October 30, 2014, 12:16:04 PM »

http://www.fathersmanifesto.net/signato2.htm
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The aforementioned "Tales of A “Recalcitrant” Husband and His Journeys" have a part about the biography of Givon Zirkind:

http://web.archive.org/web/20051226123623/http://www.afcc.demon.nl/bookii.zip

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Tales of A “Recalcitrant” Husband and His Journeys:
The Agunah Series, Book II

by Givon Zirkind

Bio:

Mr. Zirkind is a former treasurer of Father’s Rights Metro and a member of the NJ Council of Children’s Rights.  Although not ordained, Givon Zirkind was a rabbinical student in Lubavitcher yeshiva for 5 years after graduating from yeshiva high school.  He then received vocational training in computers and worked in the field of data processing applied to manufacturing and accounting for 8 years.  After which he entered the academic arena working for Touro College developing educational software and giving Internet seminars.  Touro College became Mr. Zirkind’s Alma Mata as he received his undergraduate degree in Computer Science from the institution. 

Mr. Zirkind is now employed as a Computer Operations Manager for Fairleigh Dickinson University in the Academic Computing department.  He is enrolled in a Masters degree program for Computer Science and still gives Internet seminars. 

Mr. Zirkind has had his own debacle with Agunah Inc. when his wife -- aided by Agunah Inc. and its attornys -- falsely accused him of child abuse over 4 years ago.  Mr. Zirkind was never given a trial and has not seen his children since. 

Presently, in his private life, Mr. Zirkind has dedicated his life to ensuring that “This should not happen to any father ever again and that Agunah Inc. and Mendel Epstein should be put out of business permenantly.  Only the full exposee of their operations and arrests will do.”  While Mr. Zirkind is not overtly endorsed by any rabbi, Mr. Zirkind does at time refer to rabbis as supporters in his work.  His rabbis as most of his witnesses, remain anonymous for fear of reprisals. 

Mr. Zirkind maintains that he is now the political target of NYS government official and corrupt court officials thoughout NY & NJ as he has well documented, corruption, bribery, statutory treason in the form of defrauding Congress in billions of dollars in federal aid and is seeking serious as well as legitimate prosecution for these crimes.  The State of NY has already baselessly attempted twice to revoke Mr. Zirkind’s driver’s license and maliciously voided Mr. Zirkind’s vote in the last general election.

Although Mr. Zirkind has no official group or organization, he has become a leader of those similarly situated in his position as he has provided the guidance, articulation and liason that these men and other victims sorely need.
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Givon Zirkind has a new domain: givonzirkind.com
« Reply #57 on: October 30, 2014, 03:04:22 PM »

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Die USA ziehen bei Ebola die Notbremse
« Reply #58 on: November 04, 2014, 07:54:28 AM »

Der Stern hat die Gefährlichkeit  des homöopathischen Wahns anscheinend begriffen.

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Gefährliche Versprechen Homöopathen wollen mit Kügelchen Ebola stoppen
31. Oktober 2014, 16:13 Uhr

Auf Hochtouren wird versucht, Impfungen und Medikamente gegen Ebola zu entwickeln. Auch Homöopathen wollen mit Kügelchen gegen die Seuche vorgehen. Höchst gefährlich, kritisieren Experten.
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mehr
http://www.stern.de/gesundheit/ebola-in-westafrika-homoeopathen-wollen-mit-kuegelchen-helfen-2149457.html


In den USA weht indessen bereits ein viel schärferer Wind: Um die Ärzte und Pflegekräfte nicht unnötigen Risiken auszusetzen, werden sie nicht mehr alle Maßnahmen ergreifen um einen an Ebola Erkrankten zu retten.

Das ist ein Widerspruch zu den ethischen Behandlungsrichtlinien!

Das Leben des eigenen Personals ist wichtiger als das der Kranken. Was auch logisch ist, denn ein toter Arzt kann niemanden mehr retten. Es steht zu viel auf dem Spiel.

Von rund 500 erkrankten Ärzten und Pflegern ist die Hälfte bereits gestorben.

Ein Artikel von Stephanie Armour im Wallstreet Journal über die radikale Entscheidung in den USA:

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U.S. News
Hospitals Wrestle With Extent of Ebola Treatment
Facilities May Forgo Certain Procedures in Bid to Protect Staff

Stephanie Armour
Oct. 31, 2014 8:42 p.m. ET

U.S. hospitals are grappling with whether to withhold aggressive treatments from Ebola patients to avoid further exposing doctors and nurses to the virus.

Some facilities have decided they will forgo cardiopulmonary resuscitation or may opt not to pursue invasive surgical procedures on deteriorating Ebola patients. Such procedures can expose health workers to bodily fluids that transmit the disease, and hospitals say in many cases have little chance of saving a patient.

The decisions are sparking a thorny debate at hospitals across the country and calls for national guidelines. Facilities are turning to medical ethicists to decide if and when it is appropriate to withhold treatments, a practice that runs counter to many physicians’ instincts.
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mehr:
http://online.wsj.com/articles/hospitals-weigh-ebola-treatment-vs-staff-safety-1414802551

Mit anderen Worten: Rückzug! Der Kampf gegen Ebola wird schwächer. Man läßt die Kranken sterben.  Rette sich wer kann!
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The plot is uncovered. Homeopaths try to retract
« Reply #59 on: November 06, 2014, 08:11:51 PM »

There is a short summary of the suicidal adventure game of the four homeopaths Edouard Broussalian, Mehda Durge, Richard Hiltner, and Ortrud Lindemann. 

http://www.pepijnvanerp.nl/2014/11/top-level-homeopaths-behind-ebola-mission-in-liberia/

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Top Level Homeopaths Behind Ebola Mission in Liberia

Quackery

by Pepijn   

The ultra brief summary of this post might be: ‘Honorary consul of Liberia in Germany arranges homeopathic mission from the Liga Medicorum Homeopathica Internationalis (LMHI) to Liberia to find homeopathic cure for ebola.’
Homeopaths Removing their Tracks

In my previous post “Homeopaths in Liberia: ‘Mission Ebola‘” I identified the four homeopaths who are (now) in Liberia. They are Richard Hiltner (US), Edouard Broussalian (Switzerland), Medha Durge (India) and Ortrud Lindemann (Germany, living in Spain). They are all classical homeopaths but were also educated as doctors in real medicine, how odd that may seem. Hiltner even has more strange hobbies like iridiology and medical astrology. This is not the type of doctor you would want to help you out with such a serious problem as ebola.

The most interesting sources of information have been deleted by now, so it is clear the homeopaths think they have something to hide. But of course there are archived versions. The sources which give details which enable us to connect the dots are:

    ‘Update: Team in Liberia Using Homeopathy in Liberia‘,  the post which has vanished from Larry Malerba’s site;
    The letter from Ortrud Lindemann from October 19th on the arrival of the team in Liberia, shared by Debby Bruck on a homeopathy forum and then by others on Facebook. Now deleted at most places, but it can still be found on some Facebook pages on homeopathy;
    The password protected post ‘Mission Ebola’ on the website of Edouard Broussalian, now also deleted. Here is a screenshot of the contents after entering the password, a plaintext copy is also available.

I’ve updated my post a few times, but now it’s time for a more elobarate update, because things are getting more and more clear.
The German Connection

The connection with the German homeopaths is far more important then first thought. Already had become clear that this mission is supported by the German organisation Freunde Liberias (Friends of Liberia) and Michael Kölsch, a honorary consul of Liberia in Germany. From the websites of Freunde Liberias and Michael Kölsch and also a newspaper article (pdf) in a local (Leipzig) newspaper we are led to believe the following story: Michael Kölsch was approached by an international group of 20 medical doctors who were seeking a way to help out with the ebola crisis in Liberia. Kölsch has contacts with Freunde Liberias which already raises money for an ebola project. This project is mainly about providing information on ebola in Liberia and according to the newspaper they had already raised at least 5,000 euro at the end of September, with which they financed a documentary for instance. Kölsch himself can help with visas and contacts in Liberia.

Nowhere is mentioned that also homeopaths will be part of this team! Didn’t Kölsch and Thomas Köppig (president of Freunde Liberias) know? And did the homeopaths perhaps somehow manage to ‘infiltrate’ a bona fide mission consisting of regular doctors who were unaware of their hidden agenda? This thought can be binned after we take a closer look at Kölsch.

Michael Kölsch is married to Monika Kölsch, a homeopathic medical doctor. She also holds several functions in the German homeopathic organisations. At the moment she is treasurer of the Deutsche Zentralverein homöopathischer Ärzte (DZVhÄ) which is the overall association of homeopathic doctors in Germany. She is therefore also well connected with homeopaths worldwide (via the LMHI). Homeopathy is not just the interest of Monika, her husband has in recent years also been involved with Homöopathen ohne Grenzen (Homeopaths without Borders). In 2012 he arranged a visit for that organisation to Liberia. In a personal report about of one his trips to Liberia with business people (‘Bericht über eine Unternehmerreise nach Liberia im März 2012‘) Kölsch also describes a (personal?) visit to the clinic which would be the host of the Homeopaths without Borders:

    Es freut mich, dass sie der Homöopathie sehr aufgeschlossen gegenüber steht. Sie teilt meine Auffassung, dass die Homöopathie eine geeignete Heilmethode sei, um damit das Gesundheitswesen in Liberia zu ergänzen. Sie ist preiswert und die Offenheit der Liberianischen Bevölkerung für alternative, sanfte Heilmethoden darf unterstellt werden. Wenige Tage nach meiner Abreise werden die „Homöopathen ohne Grenzen“ aus Deutschland zusammen mit Frau Gieraths-Nimene Liberianischen Ärzten in Monrovia die Homöopathie vorstellen.

From which we can conclude that Kölsch himself is a believer in homeopathy and thinks it should be integrated into the health care system of Liberia.

The president of Freunde Liberias, Thomas Köppig, must also be very well aware of the homeopathic character of this mission. Both on the website of the organisation as on his own business website he links to the homeopathic practice of Monika Kölsch. His company is even in the same building as her practice.
Planned at the Top

It looks like this mission was planned and organized by homeopaths at the highest level, especially those in Germany. The new information confirms what was stated by LMHI president Renzo Galassi in his letter from August 25th: “Some of our colleagues from Germany are in contact with members of the government of Liberia and in a few days a door could be opened to that country.” We can now also better interpret the following sentence written by Ortrud Lindemann in the vanished message on Facebook:

    And we thank Renzo, Altunay, André, Conni and Curt for setting us on the track by their unlimited efforts and Michael Kölsch and Siegfried Ziegler to connect us to Ganta Hospital

    ‘Renzo’ is Renzo Galassi, president of the LMHI;
    ‘Altunay’ is Altunay Soylemez, treasurer of LMHI;
    ‘André’ is most likely André Saine, also mentioned by Broussalian. He is a Canadian homeopath, dean of the Canadian Academy of Homeopathy. He debated Steven Novella in the past ;
    ‘Conny’ is probably Cornelia Bajic, current president of the DZVhÄ;
    ‘Curt’ is probably Curt Kösters, former president of the DZVhÄ. While he was president, Cornelia Bajic was vice-president (zweite Vorsitzende).

Other people mentioned in her update are related to the Methodist Church in Liberia and Ganta Hospital.
What did the Inviting Party know?

Siegfried Ziegler is another key figure in this story. He was manager of Ganta Hospital during 1974-77. Back in Germany he made a career as manager in health care facilities run by the evangelical methodist church. After his retirement in 2012 he started to work on raising money for a renovation (or a complete rebuild) of Ganta Hospital. He is well connected to the Liberian government for he knows the current health minister from his early days in Liberia and via the church there’s also an connection with president (and Nobel Peace Price winner) Ellen Johnson Sirleaf , she also donated to Ganta Hospital as a private person. This can be read in newspaper articles copied on the site of Kölsch.
What Ziegler thinks about homeopathy and whether he knew about the background of the team members are open questions for me at the moment.
Conclusion

My guess is that the plan by 20 international medical doctors stems completely from homeopaths active in the LMHI and DZVhÄ (Germany) in particular. And that there is just this team of four homeopaths who actually went to Liberia. This also makes more sense, because why would you send 20 doctors to one small African hospital? Also it would explain that I failed to find any news from other medical doctors who might be part of such larger group that went to Liberia (and I looked quite hard for such information ;-)  )

Many people will agree that this homeopathic mission is a foolish, unethical and possibly dangerous endeavour. Also I think it is fair to conclude that Kölsch and Freunde Liberias have deliberately misled the public by raising money for their ebola project by not explicitly mentioning that this mission was a homeopathically inspired one.

Update 6-11-2014: The LMHI has put a statement on their website in which they claim that they offered to send a team of homeopaths in a letter to the Liberian government dated August 26th and that they were invited by the government on October 7th. Maybe they mean by ‘government’ just the honorary consul Kölsch.
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The link in the update is this:

http://www.lmhi.org/home/article/ebola-virus-lmhi-had-sent-a-team-to-liberia-to-control-the-patients-with-homeopathy

First I will just copy the contents. Next I will rearrange it.

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Ebola Virus : LMHI had sent a team to Liberia to control the patients with homeopathy


Thecurrent epidemic of Ebola Virus disease (EVD) is a threat, not only to thepeople in affected countries, but also to the whole world. There is currently novaccine available and no other proven Ebola virus-specific treatment.

InAugust, the WHO declared the outbreak an international public health emergencyand endorsed the use of experimental, unproven and unregistered interventionswith unknown efficacy and adverseeffects for treatment and prevention of Ebola, but even theseexperimental drugs are not available in sufficient quantities.

Thenumber of cases is still increasing, and the rate of infection appears to beexponential. There are measures implemented to improve the chances of survival,but the mortality of this epidemic remains between 50% and 70%.

TheLiga Medicorum Homeopathica Internationalis (LMHI), in a letter to the governmentof the most affected country, dated 26 August 2014, made an offer to send ateam of homeopathic physicians to assist in the management of citizens infectedwith Ebola virus. Even at this stagegovernment. Ourteam of physicians received an invitation, dated 07 October 2014.

We are fullyaware that the invitationthe WHO protocols. This is not a problem, in our view. Evenif the homeopathic treatment were to be completelyineffective - whichwe do not expect - it would still be compliant with the WHO rules.Furthermore a homeopathic treatmentwith high potencies would have no possible side effect and,in the worst case, the mortality would correspond to that of all other treatment centers.


On 17 October 2014 the team arrivedin West-Africa, and proceeded to the hospital on 21 October, after having completedtheirsafety training.
[*/quote*]


There is an abundance of typos in that text. But after rearranging it, the reason will become clear.

[*quote*]
Ebola Virus : LMHI had sent a team to Liberia to control the patients with homeopathy

The
current epidemic of Ebola Virus disease (EVD) is a threat, not only to the
people in affected countries, but also to the whole world. There is currently no
vaccine available and no other proven Ebola virus-specific treatment.

In
August, the WHO declared the outbreak an international public health emergency
and endorsed the use of experimental, unproven and unregistered interventions
with unknown efficacy and adverse
effects for treatment and prevention of Ebola, but even these
experimental drugs are not available in sufficient quantities.

The
number of cases is still increasing, and the rate of infection appears to be
exponential. There are measures implemented to improve the chances of survival,
but the mortality of this epidemic remains between 50% and 70%.

The
Liga Medicorum Homeopathica Internationalis (LMHI), in a letter to the government
of the most affected country, dated 26 August 2014, made an offer to send a
team of homeopathic physicians to assist in the management of citizens infected
with Ebola virus. Even at this stage
government. Our
team of physicians received an invitation, dated 07 October 2014.

We are fully
aware that the invitation
the WHO protocols. This is not a problem, in our view. Even
if the homeopathic treatment were to be completely
ineffective - which
we do not expect - it would still be compliant with the WHO rules.
Furthermore a homeopathic treatment
with high potencies would have no possible side effect and,
in the worst case, the mortality would correspond to that of all other treatment centers.

On 17 October 2014 the team arrived
in West-Africa, and proceeded to the hospital on 21 October, after having completed
their
safety training.
[*/quote*]


Such a botched layout is caused by ends of line not having a space at the end. Some editors and email programs do that. Sending an email will format the text on a line-base, chopping off the line ends.

Putting the whole text into a web forms with copy+paste can glue the lines together, the lost blanks after the last word in a line being followed directly by the first word of the next line, and no repair for the lost blank is done.

So it looks like the text was written somewhere, mailed to a maintainer of the site, and the web-page published without bothering for any errors.

Oh my, what a shambles! It is not blanks alone that is missing, it is words and sequences of words. Some important sentences do not make any sense at all.


Let's go into  details.

[*quote*]
Ebola Virus : LMHI had sent a team to Liberia to control the patients with homeopathy

The
current epidemic of Ebola Virus disease (EVD) is a threat, not only to the
people in affected countries, but also to the whole world. There is currently no
vaccine available and no other proven Ebola virus-specific treatment.
[*/quote*]

True, but has no value.


[*quote*]
In
August, the WHO declared the outbreak an international public health emergency
and endorsed the use of experimental, unproven and unregistered interventions
with unknown efficacy and adverse
effects for treatment and prevention of Ebola, but even these
experimental drugs are not available in sufficient quantities.
[*/quote*]

The WHO for sure did not call witchcraft peddlers or snake-oil sellers. The WHO wanted real science. The vaccines under development today do not have passed the test series necessary for approving them for use. It is these vaccines the WHO is accepting despite their experimental state.

The LMHI in this paragraph cheats. It uses the words "experimental" and "unproven" and "unregistered" as a gate for using homeopathica. Homeopathica ALL are experimental and unproven. This is because homeopathy is a trial and error system, erring permanently for 220 year without a single exception..


[*quote*]
The
number of cases is still increasing, and the rate of infection appears to be
exponential. There are measures implemented to improve the chances of survival,
but the mortality of this epidemic remains between 50% and 70%.
[*/quote*]

This simply is a filler to make the text longer. The contents of this passage is worthless.


[*quote*]
The
Liga Medicorum Homeopathica Internationalis (LMHI), in a letter to the government
of the most affected country
, dated 26 August 2014, made an offer to send a
team of homeopathic physicians to assist in the management of citizens infected
with Ebola virus.
Even at this stage
government. Our
team of physicians received an invitation, dated 07 October 2014.
[*/quote*]

"a letter to the government of the most affected country", and this country is Liberia, but they do not name it here.

A cheat, a simple cheat. If Sierra Leone would have had more cases of infection, the homeopaths still would have addressed Liberia, for a simple reason: they have personal connections to Liberia, connections by members  of the Methodist Church and by homeopaths.


The next cheat: "made an offer to send a team of homeopathic physicians to assist in the management of citizens infected with Ebola virus."

The lever of the cheat is "to assist in the management of citizens infected with Ebola virus."

What is "to assist in the management of citizens infected with Ebola virus"?

What does "to assist in the management of citizens infected with Ebola virus" mean?

And what did the addressee of the letter understand, reading the words "to assist in the management of citizens infected with Ebola virus"?


Did the homeopaths say "We want to have fun with our mumbo-jumbo homeopatinsky sugar pills"? Did they?

What did the homeopaths write? That is the crucial question.

What did the homeopaths write?

This situation in Liberia was desperate, already in January 2014, eight months before the letter:

http://cmiliberia.org/blog/2014/01/24/ganta-hospital-on-verge-of-collapse/

[*quote*]
GANTA HOSPITAL ON VERGE OF COLLAPSE

[...]
By Wellington Patrick

SANNIQUELLIE, Jan 23 (LINA) -The Winifred J. Harley United Methodist Hospital in Ganta, Nimba County, has threatened to shut down operations, or minimize its operations to a clinic level, if no solution is found to the numerous constraints facing the institution.

The Acting Administrator of the hospital, Mr. Patrick Martor, disclosed Tuesday that the hospital is faced with serious financial and logistical constraints, a situation that could force the administration to take such unfavorable actions. Martor said the hospital is indebted to many medicine vendors who have refused to continue to supply drugs if the hospital does not settle debts accrued in 2013.

He said the hospital also has no vehicle for staff, ambulances, fuel to run its generator, money to pay salaries and purchase drugs and other medical supplies for effective operation of the health facility.
[...]

Mr. Martor disclosed that the Ganta United Methodist Hospital received US$50,000 from the Liberian Government as budgetary support in June, noting that this was the only assistance extended it by government in 2013.

The Ganta United Methodist Hospital was established by Dr. George W. Harley and his wife (after whom the hospital is named) in 1926 to offer medical services to Liberians and foreigners living in the area.

Since then, it has relied on the international congregations of the Methodist Church for financial and medical support, an assistance that is not forthcoming again, thus the current financial quagmire. For decades, the Ganta Hospital was the major regional referral hospital for most parts of the northeastern and southeastern regions prior to the opening of the Jackson F. Doe Memorial Hospital in Tappita.

A county hospital, also named after Dr. G. W. Harley exists in Sanniequellie, but is also plagued by chronic financial problems. The Sanniquellie hospital is operated by the Ministry of Health and Social Welfare. Observers believe that if the Ganta Hospital is forced to cease its operation due to lack of support, it would have adverse impact on the healthcare delivery capacity of Nimba County, which hosts nearly 500,000 residents of Liberia’s 3.8 million inhabitants.

LINA WGP/TSS/PTK (The News Pinnacle staff also contributed to this report)
[*/quote*]

A Mr. Martor? We haven't seen the name before. Is Mr. Martor  still alive? If not, how desperate was the next administrator, when taking the job? Personnel was diminished. In August it was only three doctors, if the figure is right.

Three doctors for how many citizen? 100,000? 200,000?

There are 500,000 residents in Nimba County. How many hospitals are there and how many doctors?

These are important questions, aside of others, like about fuel, dressing material, etc.


These matters are important because they show the state of despair of the population, of the clinic management and of the politicians there.

The homeopaths offer help. The needing country Liberia is a perfect prey. Like a man drowning the suffering Liberia must accept all help it can get. This way the homeopaths got their entry.

Who wrote the invitation? What did he or she have in mind? What did he or she expect? Did the government expect some unqualified homeopaths? Or did they expect some qualified epidemic experts?


Let's see what is written about this in the web-site of "Freunde Liberias e.V.", the support group for the honorary consul Michael Kölsch:

http://www.freunde-liberias.de/de/blog/entry/3-ärzteteam-für-ganta-hospital/2014/10/19/11-freunde-liberias-e-v-ebnet-weg-für-internationales-ärzteteam

[*quote*]
Freunde Liberias e.V. ebnet Weg für internationales Ärzteteam

STOP EBOLA !!!

Freunde Liberias e.V. ebnet Weg für internationales Ärzteteam
 
Veröffentlicht  von Thomas  am Sonntag, 19 Oktober 2014  in Ärzteteam für Ganta Hospital

Freunde Liberias e.V. ebnet Weg für internationales Ärzteteam

Als aktive Unterstützung im Kampf gegen Ebola organisiert der Verein Freunde Liberias e.V. Hilfe durch ein internationales Ärzteteam.

Ab 18. Oktober 2014 werden die Spezialisten vor Ort tätig, im Ganta United Methodist Hospital, Liberia. Sie alle sind erfahren in der Bekämpfung von Seuchen und wollen nicht länger zusehen, wie in Westafrika die Menschen sterben.

„Wie können wir helfen?"

Ein Team von etwa 20 internationalen Ärzten wandte sich an Honorarkonsul Michael Kölsch und bot seine Hilfe an. Kurz entschlossen nahm Kölsch das Angebot an und suchte Mitstreiter für die Realisierung des Hilfsprojektes. Sein erster Ansprechpartner: Der Verein Freunde Liberias.

Reiseziel: Ganta

Bereits in der Vergangenheit haben wir das Ganta United Methodist Hospital in Liberia mit Spenden unterstützt. So konnten wir schnell ein funktionierendes Netzwerk aktivieren und die medizinische Hilfe in die richtigen Bahnen zu lenken.

Herr Siegfried Ziegler, ebenfalls seit vielen Jahren für das Ganta Hospital engagiert, vermittelte zwischen Klinikleitung, Verein, Team und Honorarkonsul. Mittlerweile hat der Liberianische Bischof Innis die offizielle Einladung an das Ärzteteam ausgesprochen und damit den Startschuss für das Projekt gegeben.

Hand in Hand gegen Ebola

Engagierte Berufskollegen des Teams kümmern sich nun um Detailfragen, wie etwa das medizinische Training, Ausstattung der Ärzte etc. Herr Kölsch ermöglicht in enger Abstimmung mit der Liberianischen Botschaft in Berlin schnell die notwendigen Visa.

Der Verein kümmert sich um die Finanzierung des Projektes und wird in Kürze eine Spendenaktion starten. Denn das Team schließt sich nicht einem der bekannten NGOs an – es agiert eigenverantwortlich. Einen Teil der Kosten trägt der Gastgeber, das Ganta Hospital, einen weiteren Teil sogar die Ärzte selbst.

Ihre Spende hilft helfen

Ein Großteil der Kosten jedoch muss über Spenden noch generiert werden. Denn nach den ersten vier Ärzten des Vorauskommandos werden weitere kommen – so lange, bis die Epidemie besiegt ist. Und das wird viel Geld kosten.

Helfen Sie durch Ihre Spende bitte mit, diese schnelle und unbürokratische Hilfsaktion zu unterstützen.

Spenden Sie auf das Konto des Vereins „Freunde Liberias e.V."

Freunde Liberias e.V.
Kennwort: Ebola
Sparkasse Leipzig
IBAN: DE57 8605 5592 1090 0531 73
BIC-/SWIFT-Code: WELADE8L


Oder einfach klicken und sicher über Paypal spenden:
[*/quote*]


Any mentioning of homeopathy? No.

But this:

"Ab 18. Oktober 2014 werden die Spezialisten vor Ort tätig, im Ganta United Methodist Hospital, Liberia. Sie alle sind erfahren in der Bekämpfung von Seuchen"

Claims that the doctors to be sent are specialists, experienced in treating plagues.

Experienced? Treating plagues? Is Richard Hiltner, the astrology junkie, experienced with plagues?

Edouard Broussalian in 2011 was in Haiti, messing up there with cholera victims. Here are some quotes of what he  himself later wrote:

[*quote*]
Author ¦ Edouard Broussalian
summary: The author describes his experience with the homeopathic treatment of cholera at a hospital in Port au Prince. The genus epidemicus proved exceptionally useful: after a dose of Phosphorus 200C, administered with a spray, the condition of most patients improved rapidly and their hospital stay was greatly shortened.
key concepts: Cholera, Cuprum, epidemic, genus epidemicus, Phosphorus, key symptoms, Veratrum,
Vibrio cholerae
[...]

SUMMARY
Phosphorus healed most cases within 6 to 12 hours, with a repetition of the remedy in some cases. The results were striking, with many patients sitting up in bed shortly after taking the remedy. Only the older patients needed a little longer before they could get up.
Within one hour of taking the remedy, pain and other complaints were reduced, followed by an improvement in the vomiting and diarrhea. The patients asked for food and their general condition improved rapidly. At the end of our stay, we were no longer providing new patients with an infusion, but immediately gave them the Phosphorus spray.
[*quote*]

"At the end of our stay, we were no longer providing new patients with an infusion, but immediately gave them the Phosphorus spray."

Broussalian confesses a breach of protocol.

And he boasts:

[*quote*]
Our brief experience in Haiti (which needs to be developed further in a more rigorous way) shows in our estimation the superiority of homeopathy even in severe infectious disease, and demonstrates that it can be very easily and effectively put to use– assuming that Hahnemann’s teaching has been truly under-stood.
[*/quote*]

Whoever might be qualified for the job in Ganta, Hiltner is not and Broussalian is not.


Thomas Köppig in the above web-page by "Freunde Liberias" wrote "Einen Teil der Kosten trägt der Gastgeber, das Ganta Hospital, einen weiteren Teil sogar die Ärzte selbst."

Sheesh! The hospital pays for the homeopaths to come. Did the hospital administration know what the whole thing would be, that is: a cheat with homeopathy by some impostors?

Edouard Broussalian wrote in his now erased web-page:

http://www.planete-homeo.org/mission-ebola/

[*quote*]
On nous dénigrera bien sûr, on contestera que les malades guéris fussent malades, mais nous espérons en soigner un si grand nombre qu’il n’y aura pas de contestation possible. Les marchands de vaccins expérimentaux pourront alors aller se rhabiller.
[*/quote*]

which could roughly be translated as

[*quote*]
People surely will denigrate us, people will deny that the ill cured were ill, but we hope  to treat such a large number  that there will be no contestation possible. The merchants of experimental vaccines can then get dressed.
[*/quote*]

That is his declared will: to demonstrate that homeopathy works, and to get as many patients as possible to get large numbers.


What does the LMHI say about effectively curing?

http://www.lmhi.org/home/article/ebola-virus-lmhi-had-sent-a-team-to-liberia-to-control-the-patients-with-homeopathy

[*quote*]
We are fully
aware that the invitation
the WHO protocols. This is not a problem, in our view. Even
if the homeopathic treatment were to be completely
ineffective - which
we do not expect - it would still be compliant with the WHO rules.
[*/quote*]

"We are fully aware that the invitation the WHO protocols."

What is that? Stupidity? Sloppiness? Or a foul trick? At least one word is missing in this sentence.


Is this the correct sentence?

"We are fully aware that the invitation contradicts the WHO protocols."

And why is this "not a problem"?

Oh, and watch this seemingly unimportant addition: " in our view".

"In our view"? Why? They make it a matter of views, and not of facts?



The LMHI adds: "Even if the homeopathic treatment were to be completely ineffective - which
we do not expect - it would still be compliant with the WHO rules."


Now, if someone is aware of "something,... but", then this something is something negative. The rest of the argumentation is ducking out by claiming " it would still be compliant with the WHO rules"[/b]. Which rules? Rules for what?

The whole text has one single core. Here it is, and it is botched. The (at least) one word to really say something in that sentence is not there. Is withhold.  ONE MORE CHEAT!

The LMHI now must push some other delusive nonsense, to make the ending of the text not so abruptive that the readers would recognize the trap.

[*quote*]
Furthermore a homeopathic treatment with high potencies would have no possible side effect and, in the worst case, the mortality would correspond to that of all other treatment centers.[/b]
[*/quote*]

This sentence has two parts which are not related. The first part claims "Furthermore a homeopathic treatment with high potencies would have no possible side effect", which is a lie. The least damage is a loss of money and a loss of time. To administer a totally useless non-working crap is in itself already a damage.

And now comes the big bang: "and, in the worst case, the mortality would correspond to that of all other treatment centers." What is "correspond"? Correspond in what way? By the very same mortality as is with the cases treated with scientific medicine?

Mark my words: This is fraud. The homeopaths (at best) give their sugar pills IN ADDITION to the normal scientific medicine. In that case adding a non-working stuff to the already efficacious scientific treatment will change nothing. So it will lead to identical mortality.

But remember Edouard Broussalian in his Haiti fraud in 2011:

"At the end of our stay, we were no longer providing new patients with an infusion, but immediately gave them the Phosphorus spray."

Which gives us a hint what the homeopaths will try in Liberia: break the protocols and defraud with forged statistics. The very same as homeopaths did 2011 in Haiti. And the very same Edouard Broussalian is part of the homeopath gang now in Liberia.


Which makes us have a second look at this part of the botched LMHI statement :

[*quote*]
The
Liga Medicorum Homeopathica Internationalis (LMHI), in a letter to the government
of the most affected country, dated 26 August 2014, ]made an offer to send a
team of homeopathic physicians to assist in the management of citizens infected
with Ebola virus. Even at this stage
government. Our
team of physicians received an invitation, dated 07 October 2014.

[*/quote*]

Even at this stage government. Our team of physicians received an invitation, dated 07 October 2014.

This sentence sense does not make. "Even at this stage government" What? Which government?

There are statements, claiming that the Liberian government made the invitation. But "Freunde Liberias" state:

"Mittlerweile hat der Liberianische Bischof Innis die offizielle Einladung an das Ärzteteam ausgesprochen und damit den Startschuss für das Projekt gegeben."

A bishop. Some church mafioso. Of which gang? The Methodists, the Catholics, the Buddhists? Who of these would invite into a Methodist church, if not a METHODIST member!?

A Methodist wire-puller sent the invitation, and no politician of the state!

But anyway, the bishop even would have invited Beelzebub if help is promised. And, far away from Beelzebub homeopathy isn't. Any difference? Hell, no!


Messy typos and messed-up sentences like

"We are fully aware that the invitation XXXXXXXXXXX  the WHO protocols."

and

"Even at this stage government. Our team  of physicians received an invitation, dated 07 October 2014."

display a disturbed mind and sloppiness and carelessness. This from a group which claims to be the largest association of homeopathic doctors an earth. And it fits them. It fits them perfectly. Well done, LMHI, well done! Thank you very much for your Selfie.


To sum it up: The statement of 6th. November 2014 by the LMHI is a cheat.

The most important question is: What did the homeopaths write the Africans expressis verbis?

This letter and the answer(s) by the Africans must be published. In full! Unabridged. Word for word the complete text!
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Peter Chappell responsible for death in Africa
« Reply #60 on: November 09, 2014, 11:08:33 AM »

Peter Chappel set up a new PDF, this time claiming his "invention" to heal ebola, and even to be able to prevent ebola.

http://www.arhf.nl/docs/Amma4Africa_Ebola_Manual_Aug_2014_en.pdf

[MARK BEGIN]
Ebola Manual
Amma4Africa Guide to Treating and Preventing Ebola
Harry van der Zee, MD & Peter Chappell, Hon FS Hom
PC Resonances for Effective, Safe and Low-Cost Treatment
© 2014 Amma Resonance Healing Foundation
Postbus 68 - 9750 AB Haren – the Netherlands
info@ARHF.nl - www.ARHF.nl
Important notice: The PC Resonance discussed in this manual does not replace effective
conventional medical treatment. It can be used as complement to conventional treatment and
at times where conventional treatment is unavailable or ineffective.
Table of Contents
1 Introduction...2
2 Homeopathy and Epidemics ....................................................................................2
3 PC Resonances...3
5 Amma Resonance Healing Foundation ...................................................................3
6 Preparation of a PC Ebola Master Bottle.................................................................4
6.1 Steps to create a PC Ebola Master Bottle .........................................................4
6.2 Precautions...4
7 How to Prepare PC704f for a Patient.......................................................................4
7.1
If Master bottles are not available to prepare a bottle for a patient ..................5
8 How to Dose PC704f ...............................................................................................5
8.1 For dropper bottles – 5-5-5 (5 bangs, 5 drops, 5 seconds)................................5
8.2 For water bottles – 5-1-5 (5 bangs, 1 teaspoon, 5 seconds)..............................5
9 Dosage in Acute Ebola ............................................................................................6
10 Prevention of Ebola using PC704f...........................................................................6
11 How to Order PC704f ............................................................................................6
12 More to Read and Study ........................................................................................61
Introduction
Homeopathy has a great track record of treating epidemic diseases. This curriculum is
designed to provide knowledge on how to treat and prevent Ebola in Africa and other
countries. The PC Resonance PC704f is tailor-made designed for Ebola. PC
Resonances are a new advance in homeopathy and work in an effective, rapid and
mild way, without side effects and with the lowest possible costs.
This curriculum can be used by homeopaths and non-homeopaths
A lot more information on the theory and practice of PC Resonances can be found in
the book ‘Homeopathy for Diseases’ by the same authors (see www.homeolinks.nl).
Fully trained medical doctors can use this manual to treat their Ebola patients. Nurses
and health care workers and actually any volunteer can safely prevent Ebola using the
same PC Resonance.
PC Resonances have been used with great success for over 10 years for other
epidemic and infectious diseases like HIV/AIDS, Malaria, TB, Bilharzia and
Hepatitis. Based on the same technology used to develop the PC Resonances for these
other infectious diseases, a specific PC Resonance has been designed for Ebola. At
the time of writing this manual the authors had no experience in using it yet, but the
Amma Resonance Healing Foundation nevertheless decided to make PC704f
available because of the following reasons:
1. Currently there are no other options for treating or preventing Ebola
2. The experience in treating ten-thousands of people with PC Resonances for
other epidemic diseases in Africa, mostly HIV/AIDS and Malaria is very
positive
3. The experience of preventing Malaria in about 7,000 children and adults with
the same PC Resonance that is used to treat Malaria is very positive
4. As PC Resonances contain no chemical substances they are completely safe
and free from side-effects and can therefore also be used by babies, pregnant
women and elderly people
5. PC704f can without any negative interference be combined with any other
form of therapy
2
Homeopathy and Epidemics
In the 20 th century conventional medicine developed enormously and, due to the
discovery of penicillin, saw a dramatic improvement in its treatment of epidemics. As
a result the potential of homeopathy in the treatment of epidemics became neglected
and homeopaths instead devoted themselves primarily to the treatment of individual
chronic diseases. Due to increased levels in general health and sanitation in Europe
and America outbreaks of epidemic diseases decreased in these areas. Whereas, in
Africa and other developing countries with the exception of India, until recently,
homeopathy was unknown and epidemics like malaria and TB take millions of lives
each year.
Despite millions of dollars spent on the development of medicines for epidemic
diseases and on strengthening the health systems in developing countries, these
epidemics rule as never before. Despite many advances, the idea that conventional
modern medicine would soon put an end to all diseases has proved to be based on
false hope. This realisation motivated many to search for other ways of dealing with
health and disease. As a result, there was a revival of traditional medicine with
© ARHF 2014
Page 2renewed respect and a consideration of complementary medicine including
homeopathy. Instead of looking at the different systems of healing as competing
adversaries it is time to see where they can complement each other for the benefit of
humanity.
3
PC Resonances
In homeopathy the process of medicine preparation usually starts with a primary
substance derived from an animal, plant or mineral source. This substance is diluted
in alcohol then goes through a technique known as ‘potentisation’, a progressive
process of dilution and succussion (shaking with impact) during which any toxic
elements are eliminated and the curative potential amplified. The water stores and
‘remembers’ the information from the crude substance at a subtle level and in higher
potencies does not retain a single molecule of the original substance, rather it holds an
‘energetic imprint’. The end product is a medicine which, through homeopathic
resonance, has the potential to stimulate the immune system and restore health.
The technology for making PC Resonances has evolved from the way homeopathic
medicines are usually made. Using the same technology, disease specific PC
Resonances have been prepared for a variety of other epidemic diseases, again based
on an analysis of the totality of the symptoms belonging to each of those diseases.
The possibility of treating a disease with a designed PC Resonance that matches the
disease totality is a further development in homeopathy and combines the advantages
of homeopathy (high safety/no side effects) and pharmacology (disease specific
treatment). Thus, in epidemics, few case-taking skills are needed to prescribe and
follow up.
In this new technology putting information directly into water creates the
homeopathic resonance and no substance is ever involved. This means that similarly
to high homeopathic potencies, the resonances created using this new approach do not
contain a molecule of substance in contrast to conventional pharmacology.
To make a PC Resonance, a special non-physical thought form device is used to
synthesise the information about the disease based on the core essence and
psychological and physical information (the totality or essence) that crystallises this
into one pattern totality. This is imprinted onto water. It works on an informational
and energetic level only. There is no physical component to the information imprinted
onto the water.
With this new technology, as in homeopathic medicine in general, we work by
stimulating the immune system to strengthen its response by inducing an artificial
disease, as homeopaths call it, which resonates with the patient’s disease.
With PC Resonances there is no obvious mechanism for side effects and the authors
have not witnessed any in several hundred carefully monitored cases. Nor have any
other observers reported any.
5
Amma Resonance Healing Foundation
Peter Chappell has donated the rights concerning PC1 and other PC Resonances
essential for Africa and other developing countries to the Amma Resonance Healing
Foundation, a not-for-profit organisation.
© ARHF 2014
Page 3ARHF provides PC704f and other PC Resonances to individuals and clinics in Africa
and other developing countries for free or at cost price, depending on the situation.
The ARHF does research into the efficacy of the treatment of AIDS and other
epidemics with PC Resonances, and aims to present and publish the results.
The ARHF can do this work thanks to donations it receives.
6
Preparation of a PC Ebola Master Bottle
PC704f is being made available as granules (small dry pellets). With epidemic
diseases many people may need treatment, so it is important to work effectively and
efficiently. It is therefore recommended to prepare a PC Ebola Master Bottle from
granules as instructed below. From this Master Bottle you can prepare a bottle for a
patient (see below). Don’t worry about diluting the remedy. PC Resonances contain
healing information and just like with the news, spreading information does not
reduce the amount of it in any way. The process of dynamisation (banging the bottle –
see below) ensures that each dose is as powerful as the granule from which it was
originally derived.
6.1
Steps to create a PC Ebola Master Bottle
a. Fill a 10-50 ml dropper bottle with clean mineral water and at least 20%
ethanol [Or use a local strong liquor and mix 50% liquor with 50% water].
b. Add 2 granules of PC704f.
c. Close the bottle and let it stand for 15 minutes.
d. Label the bottle PC704f.
e. Bang the bottle 5 times on a wooden surface (or semi hard surface such as a
book cover) and it is ready to be used.
6.2
Precautions
a.
b.
c.
d.
e.
The contents of a bottle must remain crystal clear.
Never put any liquid back into the bottle.
Do not touch the opening and always close it properly.
If the contents are not clear, it is contaminated and you need a fresh bottle.
If a Master bottle is empty only prepare the same remedy in it in the same way
as described above.
f. Keep the remedy out of the sun and extreme heat.
7
How to Prepare PC704f for a Patient
a. Either take a dropper bottle (10-50 ml or more) and fill it with still mineral
water or take a 250-500 ml plastic bottle of still mineral water, or fill a clean
bottle with clean water that has been boiled and then cooled down.
b. As the bottle will only be used for a short time and if saved at a cool place,
there is no need to add ethanol.
c. To increase shelf life: if available and no problem for the patient use 80-90%
water and 10-20% medical alcohol or a local liquor.
d. Bang the PC Ebola Master Bottle 5 times on a wooden surface and put 5 drops
into the bottle for the patient.
e. Label the bottle PC704f, date, and patient’s name.
f. Then bang the bottle 5 times and the PC Ebola Dispenser Bottle for the patient
is prepared for use.
© ARHF 2014
Page 47.1
If Master bottles are not available to prepare a bottle for a patient
a.
b.
c.
d.
e.
Use a sealed 250 or 330 to 500 ml bottle of still mineral water.
Open it and pour out 10-20% of the content.
Put 2 granules into the bottle.
If properly stored and used this gives at least 3 months shelf life.
If available and no problem for the patient add 10-20% medical alcohol or
liquor to increase shelf life.
f. Leave the bottle standing for 15 minutes until the granules start to fall apart.
g. Then bang the bottle on a wooden surface or a book five times and it is
prepared for use.
h. Tear off the original label and label the bottle PC704f, date, and the patient’s
name.
8 How to Dose PC704f
8.1 For dropper bottles – 5-5-5 (5 bangs, 5 drops, 5 seconds)
a. Before giving a dose bang the bottle on a book or a wooden surface 5 times to
activate and then immediately put 5 drops into the mouth (make sure the
dropper does not touch the mouth).
b. Keep the drops in the mouth, under the tongue, for at least 5 seconds before
swallowing.
c. Do not contaminate the bottle by putting any liquid back.
d. If more comes out than intended just give it all. To overdose is not possible.
e. Never touch the opening of the bottle with the fingers or mouth or by drinking
directly from the bottle and always close it properly.
f. If the water is not clear it is contaminated, no longer active, and a fresh bottle
must be made.
g. PC Resonances are safe for pregnant women, babies, small children, older
people and those using other medication.
8.2
For water bottles – 5-1-5 (5 bangs, 1 teaspoon, 5 seconds)
a. Before giving a dose, bang the bottle on a book or a wooden surface 5 times to
activate and then fill 1 teaspoon and put that into the mouth.
b. Keep the fluid in the mouth, under the tongue, for at least 5 seconds before
swallowing.
c. Do not contaminate the bottle by putting any liquid back.
d. If more comes out than intended just give it all. To overdose is not possible.
e. Never touch the opening of the bottle with the fingers or mouth or by drinking
directly from the bottle and always close it properly.
f. If the water is not clear it is contaminated, no longer active, and a fresh bottle
must be made.
g. PC Resonances are safe for pregnant women, babies, small children, older
people and those using other medication.
© ARHF 2014
Page 59
Dosage in Acute Ebola
In an acute infection, a diseasing micro-organism is having such an impact on the
human organism that all its time and energy is used to overcome it. To support the
immune system and to stimulate the self-healing response, a dose of PC704f needs to
be repeated regularly.
The repetition schedule depends on how acute and how serious the condition is.
• In the acute state PC704f can initially be given every 10-30 minutes: five
drops (or 1 teaspoon) after banging the bottle five times, and keep at least for
five seconds in the mouth before swallowing.
• As soon as the patient starts to respond to the PC Resonance and his/her
condition improves the time between doses can be prolonged.
In the case other homeopathic remedies are indicated and available, these can safely
be combined with PC704f.
10
Prevention of Ebola using PC704f
Besides the usual preventive measures for Ebola, using the following prevention
protocol is recommended as long as the epidemic is active:
• Twice daily one dose
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How to Order PC704f
PC704f can be ordered by contacting the ARHF at info@arhf.nl
12
More to Read and Study
The following book can be ordered at www.homeolinks.nl:
• Peter Chappell. The Second Simillimum – A Disease-Specific Complement to
Individual Treatment, Homeolinks Publishers, Haren (the Netherlands) 2005
The following manual can be downloaded for free at www.arhf.nl:
• Peter Chappell & Harry van der Zee, Amma4Africa Manual – Basic Guide to
Treating Epidemic Diseases, Trauma and Chronic Diseases, ARHF 2014
Amma Resonance Healing Foundation
P.O.Box 68 – 9750 AB Haren – Netherlands – info@ARHF.nl – www.ARHF.nl
© ARHF 2014
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Peter Chappel is a lethal fraud
« Reply #61 on: November 09, 2014, 06:49:41 PM »

"Peter Chappel set up a new PDF, this time claiming his "invention" to heal ebola, and even to be able to prevent ebola."

So Peter Chappel is a lethal fraud. He sells that stuff. Which hole in Dutch laws does he use to still be not in jail!?

http://www.arhf.nl/docs/Amma4Africa_Ebola_Manual_Aug_2014_en.pdf

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Prevention of Ebola using PC704f

Besides the usual preventive measures for Ebola, using the following prevention
protocol is recommended as long as the epidemic is active:

• Twice daily one dose



[...]
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How to Order PC704f
PC704f can be ordered by contacting the ARHF at info@arhf.nl

[*/quote]


Peter Chappel is not the only fraud involved. The politicians who willfully make laws so bad that criminals like Peter Chappel can sell his junk, are of the same type of menace to mankind like Peter Chappell is.
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Methodists support killers, who wipe out their own folk...
« Reply #62 on: November 11, 2014, 09:25:58 AM »

These people have too much money. So they donate for some church affairs. 15 MILLION US-DOLLARS! Lots a money. .. How much went to Ganta in Liberia, and how much was spent for supporting the homeopaths' fraud there?

To support killers, who wipe out their own folk...

How far can religious blindness can go?



http://www.garrett.edu/news/1625-steads-commit-15-million-to-the-campaign

[*quote*]
Garrett-Evangelical News

Jerre and Mary Joy Stead Commit $15 Million to the Forging Our Future Campaign

EVANSTON, Illinois, October 2014 – On October 23, 2014, it was announced at Garrett-Evangelical Theological Seminary’s board of trustees meeting that Jerre and Mary Joy Stead of Scottsdale, AZ officially kicked off The Final Lap of the seminary’s Forging Our Future campaign with an additional commitment to their earlier commitments in Phase One, Two, and Three of the campaign. Their earlier commitments totaled $6 million, and their most recent commitment is for another $9 million—the largest single gift in the seminary’s history—bringing their total commitment to this campaign to $15 million!

 Mr. Stead, who serves as the chair of the board of trustees at Garrett-Evangelical, is also co-chair of the Seminary’s Forging Our Future capital campaign. The Steads’ earlier campaign commitments have helped to endow several leadership scholarships, renovate seminary facilities, create faculty chairs, and support the seminary’s distinctive program, The Church and the Black Experience. Their $9 million commitment, a combination of a five-year pledge and a planned gift, is earmarked for the seminary’s unrestricted endowment, the largest component of the campaign. Earnings from this unrestricted endowment gift will allow the seminary to address future strategic goals and stay on the cutting edge of theological education.

 In announcing their commitment, Mr. Stead stated, “We try to give where we can make the most difference—and we firmly believe that Garrett-Evangelical is making a critical difference in preparing the kind of Christian leaders our churches and communities need.”

 In addition to their outstanding commitments to the Forging Our Future campaign, Jerre and Mary Joy Stead have previously funded the Jerre and Mary Joy Stead Center for Ethics and Values and the Jerre and Mary Joy Stead Chair of Christian Social Ethics at Garrett-Evangelical. In reflecting on the generosity of the Steads, President Rector remarked, “Jerre and Mary Joy have made—and continue to make—a transformative difference at Garrett-Evangelical. Their family commitment to support 'great people doing great things' and to 'giving back' have been very inspiring for the Garrett-Evangelical community. We are so very blessed to have them as our partners in preparing bold spiritual leaders for the church, the academy, and the world.”

 “The campaign total now exceeds $88 million,” said David Heetland, vice president for development. “We hope that the Stead commitment will inspire and challenge others to consider what more they can do so that we can reach the $100 million goal soon. Gifts for unrestricted endowment are especially welcome, as are gifts for endowed scholarships, faculty support, and program support.” If you would like further information on how you can help Garrett-Evangelical reach this challenging goal, contact David Heetland at David.Heetland@garrett.edu or call 847.866.3970.

 Garrett-Evangelical, a graduate school of theology related to The United Methodist Church, was founded in 1853. Located on the campus of Northwestern University, the seminary serves more than 500 students from various denominations and cultural backgrounds, fostering an atmosphere of ecumenical interaction. Garrett-Evangelical creates bold leaders through master of divinity, master of arts, master of theological studies, doctor of philosophy, and doctor of ministry degrees. Its 4,500 living alumni serve church and society around the world.

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Edouard Broussalian will Spuren beseitigen
« Reply #63 on: November 11, 2014, 12:36:02 PM »

Im Forum in Broussalians Homepage wütet der Löschgriffel.

Heute:

http://planete-homeo.org/school/forum/ebola-epidemie-traitement-homeopathique-t3365-30.html

Warum die "-30" in der URL? Nur ein Beitrag und trotzdem "-30"? "-30" heißt doch, daß es mindestens 30 Beiträge gegeben haben muß:

Seite 1: Beiträge 0-14
Seite 2: Beiträge 15-29
Seite 3: Beiträge 30 - ...


Gucken wir doch mal nach, Genossen! Gucken wir doch mal nach!
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Re: Homöopathen ohne Grenzen gehen nach Liberia und Sierra Leone!
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Am 21.10.2014 hat Google von der 1. Seite einen Abzug für den Cache gemacht:

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EBOLA EPIDEMIE, traitement homéopathique

by
Edouard Broussalian
 » Wed Jul 09, 2014 9:30 pm
Bonjour à tous,

J'avoue ma préoccupation quant à la situation avec EBOLA. L'épidémie semble échapper à tout contrôle en Afrique, et je vois mal pourquoi cela ne se propagerait pas en Europe, et partout où le virus le jugera bon. Je ne sais pas si son développement requiert ou pas des conditions climatiques.

Non seulement ce sera la catastrophe sanitaire tant redoutée, mais vous imaginez que les mesures draconiennes de lutte contre l'épidémie feront cesser les communications, les transports, le ravitaillement, etc. Espérons qu'on n'en arrive pas là.

Il est difficile de trouver la symptomatologie précise. On manque cruellement de détails, et en plus les observations allopathiques manquent terriblement de précision;

Il s'agit basiquement d'une forme gravissime de fièvre ictéro hémorragique. Le modèle clinique de base me semble être la fièvre jaune classique, qu'au moins on cannait relativement bien.

Après une incubation d’une semaine, la maladie débute typiquement avec fièvre, frissons, douleurs musculaires, maux de tête. Elle évoque alors une grippe, une dengue ou un paludisme. Dans les formes graves, au bout de trois jours, une rémission passagère précède l’apparition d’un syndrome hémorragique avec vomissement de sang noirâtre (vomito negro), d’un ictère qui donne son nom à la maladie et de troubles rénaux (albuminurie). La mort survient alors dans 50 à 80% des cas, après une phase de délire, de convulsions, et un coma. - See more at: http://www.pasteur.fr/fr/institut-paste ... Lg9MF.dpuf


Nous avons une bonne rubrique ici, Fièvre jaune

JAUNE : YELLOW fever : (1)acon., (1)arg-n., (3)ars., (2)ars-h., (1)bell., (2)bry., (2)cadm., (1)calc., (1)camph., (3)canth., (3)carb-v., (2)chin., (1)coff., (3)crot-h., (1)daph., (1)hep., (1)ip., (1)lach., (1)lob., (2)nat-s., (3)nux-v., (2)phos., (2)psor., (1)rhus-t., (2)ter., (1)verat.



Je vous passe mes différentes lectures, pour résumer le peu qu'on sache voici un bout de texte en anglais.

The initial symptoms are usually high fever, headache, muscle aches, stomach pain, and diarrhea. There may also be sore throat, hiccups, and red and itchy eyes. The symptoms that tend to follow include vomiting and rash and bleeding problems with bloody nose (epistaxis), spitting up blood from the lungs (hemoptysis) and vomiting it up from the stomach (hematemesis), and bloody eyes (conjunctival hemorrhages). Then finally come chest pain, shock, and death.


Nous avons aussi des images épouvantables qui peuvent nous orienter.

La nécrose


Les bulles:


Les hémorragies par les orifices naturels


Une simple répertorisation des signes basiques nous donne ceci:



Bien sûr nous devons donc nous réserver le groupe des venins:
CROTALUS HORRIDUS, VIPERA

Le groupe classique des médicaments nécrotiques, et/ou hémorragiques
ARSENICUM, PHOSPHORUS, MERCURIUS, LACHESIS, CANTHARIS

Sans oublier un peu plus loin
VERATRUM, ANTIMONIUM CRUDUM, CAUSTICUM, RHUS TOX, SILICA, SULPHUR

Ce qui frappe surtout c'est le développement EXTREMEMENT RAPIDE DES SYMPTOMES, AVEC UNE FAIBLESSE IMMEDIATE OU PRESQUE, et des HOQUETS EN NOMBRE

Du coup je pense qu'il est INDISPENSABLE de nous préparer à donner avant tout ARSENICUM HYDROGENISATUM qui doit salement ressembler à EBOLA.

C'est une sorte d'arsenicum album exponentiellement démultiplié. Je ne l'ai jamais encore prescrit mais j'ai tilté en me rappelant le Hering que j'ai traduit, et la ressemblance est vraiment frappante. Nous couvrons les lésions et l'allure même de la pathologie.

Cela fait une petite trousse de 14 médicaments à avoir sous la main. Je vous recommande chaudement de vous les procurer, au moins en 30 c, et je serai heureux de lire vos idées et commentaires.

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Re: EBOLA EPIDEMIE, traitement homéopathique

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Arsen
 » Thu Jul 10, 2014 6:24 am
Brrrrrrrrrr…..ça fait froid dans le dos. 
On dirait le retour de la Peste noire ?
C’est bien la "Grande imitatrice", en référence à la syphilis ? Un truc du genre....
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Re: EBOLA EPIDEMIE, traitement homéopathique

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Gisele
 » Thu Jul 10, 2014 11:40 am
Waouhhhh ! C'est pas beau à voir !
En répertorisant les hoquets fréquents, nous tombons sur :ES : HOQUET / fièvre / jaune : (2,2)ars-h.Seul remède qui cadre bien avec la matière médicale !
Ed, tu préconises en 30ch mais si nous n'avons que des LM, Pourrions nous envisager cette dynamisation ?

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Re: EBOLA EPIDEMIE, traitement homéopathique

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Pascal06
 » Thu Jul 10, 2014 5:01 pm
Il y aurait aussi :

Sul-ac pour Ge Hemorragie / noire / tous les orifices

Ge / hemorragie / tous les orifices Both, elaps

et pourquoi pas secale cornutum car si ok pour CIVD...

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Athelas
 » Thu Jul 10, 2014 7:43 pm
Si je comprends bien il faut voir d'abord si Ars-h est indiqué et s'il échoue chercher alors un médicament "hémorragique" quand les saignements apparaitront ?

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Re: EBOLA EPIDEMIE, traitement homéopathique

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Edouard Broussalian
 » Fri Jul 11, 2014 11:00 am
C'est une hypothèse, mais si vous tenez compte de l'ensemble des éléments et pas juste de signes isolés, alors oui toutes les chances pour que ARS H soit le médicament épidémique.

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Re: EBOLA EPIDEMIE, traitement homéopathique

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Jean Umber
 » Sun Jul 13, 2014 5:35 pm
Chassez le chimiste, il revient...

Qu'est-ce que ce ars-h ? De l'arsine AsH3 ? proche de l'ammoniac !

Voici ce que dit wikipedia sur l'arsine :

"Le trihydrure d’arsenic est un gaz très toxique par inhalation ou même par contamination cutanée et qui peut être à l’origine d’intoxications mortelles. Il se lie à l’hémoglobine, entraînant une hémolyse et une anémie aiguë.

La toxicité est principalement hématologique et rénale (insuffisance rénale aiguë par hémoglobinurie) mais aussi neurologique et pulmonaire. La durée de latence avant l’apparition des premiers symptômes est d’autant plus courte que l’intensité de l’exposition est plus élevée. Une exposition à 250 ppm est rapidement fatale et des symptômes non spécifiques peuvent apparaître dès 0,5 ppm.

Dans les formes légères, consécutives à une exposition prolongée à de faibles expositions peuvent s’associer des signes peu évocateurs tels céphalées, douleurs musculaires, nausées.

Dans les formes aigües marquées on constate en outre des vertiges, des frissons, des vomissements, des douleurs abdominales. La gravité de l’intoxication dépend de l’importance de l’hémolyse : anémie hémolytique (élévation de la bilirubine non conjuguée, hémoglobinurie). L’atteinte rénale peut compléter le tableau, allant de l’hémoglobinurie modérée (urines rouges) à l’insuffisance rénale aigüe par néphropathie tubulo-interstitielle (avec oligurie puis anurie). Il peut également apparaître une atteinte hépatique vers le 2e ou 3e jour avec une élévation modérée des transaminases rapidement réversible. Des atteintes cardiovasculaires (avec anomalies de l’électrocardiogramme) et pulmonaire (œdème pulmonaire transitoire) peuvent également survenir. On retrouve parfois des séquelles à type de neuropathie périphérique et d’insuffisance rénale chronique."
Entrain d'expliquer l'homéopathie à un chimiste

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Re: EBOLA EPIDEMIE, traitement homéopathique

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Edouard Broussalian
 » Wed Jul 16, 2014 9:02 am
On est bien d'accord, c'est une saloperie!

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Re: EBOLA EPIDEMIE, traitement homéopathique

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Gaby
 » Thu Jul 31, 2014 10:11 am
J'avais eu un contacte avec l'organisation allemande medecins sans frontières il y a quelques semaines. J'ai proposé l'option des remèdes homéopathiques, mais comme ce traitement n'est pas recommandé par WHO...

J'ai maintenant écrit un petit article (en Allemand) du sujet dans mon site ( http://curantur.de/Blog/blog.html), parce que Crot-h (et des autres remèdes) sont dans mon cerveau, quand j'ai lu la première fois de cet épidemie.

Et j'ai ajouté le lien de PH ici.

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Re: EBOLA EPIDEMIE, traitement homéopathique

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Gyromède
 » Tue Aug 05, 2014 4:49 pm
Bon, je viens de recevoir ma première commande de chez Helios : Arsenicum Hydrogenatum

C'est que Édouard a réussi à m'inquiéter !!   

Au sujet d'Hélios, j'ai découvert que la différence de prix entre une dose normale de Korsakovienne et un volume important de globules disons 40 g, était relativement faible (un facteur 2 dans ce cas). N'y aurait-il pas là pour un achat groupé des nouveaux étudiants de l'école, moyen d'obtenir des doses à prix raisonnable en reconditionnant les doses de 40g (ou plus jusqu'à 120 g) d'Helios ? Il ne s'agit plus d'une opération de duplication mais simplement de transvasement dans plusieurs petits tubes...

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Re: EBOLA EPIDEMIE, traitement homéopathique

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 » Tue Aug 05, 2014 7:46 pm
Gyromède wrote:
Bon, je viens de recevoir ma première commande de chez Helios : Arsenicum Hydrogenatum

C'est que Édouard a réussi à m'inquiéter !!   

Au sujet d'Hélios, j'ai découvert que la différence de prix entre une dose normale de Korsakovienne et un volume important de globules disons 40 g, était relativement faible (un facteur 2 dans ce cas). N'y aurait-il pas là pour un achat groupé des nouveaux étudiants de l'école, moyen d'obtenir des doses à prix raisonnable en reconditionnant les doses de 40g (ou plus jusqu'à 120 g) d'Helios ? Il ne s'agit plus d'une opération de duplication mais simplement de transvasement dans plusieurs petits tubes...


Moi, ça m'interresse ! je suis prête à m'associer avec ceux qui voudront pour acheter ces doses

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Re: EBOLA EPIDEMIE, traitement homéopathique

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Edouard Broussalian
 » Wed Aug 06, 2014 11:48 am
Tu n'imagines pas le boulot de fou que cela représente
Navré de t'inquiéter mais mieux vaut prévoir.

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Re: EBOLA EPIDEMIE, traitement homéopathique

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VeroniqueB
 » Thu Aug 07, 2014 8:34 am
Je me permets de mettre cette recherche de traitement pour Ebola qui vient d'un autre forum.

The following two links have been mentioned for Ebola.
I disagree with their suggestion of snake remedies, and give my own analysis below.

 Viral hemorrhagic fevers

http://www.indiana.edu/~psychag/cam/int ... script.pdf

I confess my first thought about a "hemorrhagic fever" was also a snake remedy, but I have changed my mind after spending some hours today perusing the scientific papers I could find on it, especially the one done in Japan, by a group brave enough to autopsy five bodies from the last outbreak and try to decode what Ebola does internally. I also colected as many symptoms as possible from reports I hunted down.

Firstly it does not kill by blood loss or hemorrhage, as is implied by the name.
During advanced stages of Ebola, there is indeed bleeding, such as injection site hematoma, stool black with blood, coughing blood, and vomiting blood, even vaginal blood - and internally organs also bleed. But this does not cause a large loss of blood, it is small and not life threatening.

The really deadly problem in Ebola is that the virus rearranges where the body's liquids are located.
The fluid of the blood is removed from the bloodstream, and the DIC, which stands for Disseminated (widespread) Intravascular (inside the blood vessels) Coagulopathy (blood coagulates) results in blood vessels which LACK LIQUIDITY, making it impossible for blood to flow. It is all clotted and non-fluid in there.
SO Ebola death is not from hemorrhage but from dehydration.

Our choice of remedy MUST be adjusted accordingly.

Another big difference from spider venom is the lack of inflammatory cells. In Ebola both the neutrophils and the lymphocytes are suppressed and in etremely low numbers. SPider venoms make scabs (a function of neutrophils) and involve antibodies.
In Ebola instead, the virus has a mechanism to avoid antibody attack. It manufactures a great number of 90% similar to itself forms which it puts OUTSIDE the cell it occupies, accumulated around its commandeered cell, which trap and use up any antibodies coming to the virus which is hidden inside the cells, evading attack.

The virus is bodywide, including the brain. It borrows a body mecanism to get into cells and into the blood where it circulates everywhere, causing fever. (This early spread in the blood and the fever it causes, is why airports are uing temperature checks to pick up infected people.)

Ebola is different in another way, from snake remedies. It manufactures a glycoprotein which is used to attack organs and cause multiple organ failure, especially of the liver and kidneys.

So its attack involves:
Blocking antibodies
Causing multiple organ failure
Redistributing fluid to cause death by dehydration of the bloodstream.

The hemorrhage is a side effect, not the main banana.
It's in the name as it is the most alarming visible sign.
But this minor bleeding is hardly relevant as far as pathology goes.

So - .... back to the drawing board for the genus epidemicus.
We need a dehydration remedy not a hemorhhage one.

Most important rubric IMO: LOSS OF FLUID


Add in for example:
MIND - DELIRIUM - loss of fluids, from...............confusion is strong sx
MIND - IRRITABILITY - weakness - with...................a peculiar with Ebola
HEAD - PAIN - loss of fluids
STOMACH - PAIN - fluids; after loss of
KIDNEYS - COMPLAINTS of kidneys
ABDOMEN - LIVER and region of liver; complaints of
FEVER - CHILL; with
GENERALS - FAINTNESS - fluids; after loss of
GENERALS - WEAKNESS - acute diseases - during
GENERALS - WEAKNESS - loss of fluids; from
GENERALS - LOSS - fluids, of

= Cinchona officianalis, which also covers the minor symptoms:

Full list of rubrics from descrptions of symptoms I collected (CHIN covers all except *)

MIND - DELIRIUM - loss of fluids, from
MIND - IRRITABILITY - weakness - with
MIND - MEMORY - weakness of memory - loss of vital fluids; from
HEAD - FLUIDS agg.; loss of vital
HEAD - PAIN
HEAD - PAIN - loss of fluids
EYE - DISCOLORATION - red
MOUTH - BLEEDING
THROAT - PHARYNX; complaints of
STOMACH - PAIN - clawing pain
STOMACH - PAIN - fluids; after loss of
STOMACH - VOMITING; TYPE OF - blood
ABDOMEN - ATROPHY - Liver
ABDOMEN - LIVER and region of liver; complaints of
RECTUM - HEMORRHAGE from anus
STOOL - BLACK
STOOL - BLOODY
KIDNEYS - COMPLAINTS of kidneys
* KIDNEYS - COMPLAINTS of kidneys - accompanied by - hypotension (only one remedy)
FEMALE GENITALIA/SEX - METRORRHAGIA
EXPECTORATION - BLOODY - fluids; after loss of vital
CHEST - INFLAMMATION - Lungs - weakness, from loss of fluids
CHEST - LOSS of fluids agg.
FEVER - CHILL; with
SKIN - ECCHYMOSES
SKIN - ERUPTIONS - petechiae
GENERALS - FAINTNESS - fluids; after loss of
* GENERALS - HEMORRHAGE - Mucous membranes, from (but individual items within this are covered)
* GENERALS - HYPOTENSION (A small rubric; I would add Chin to it based on other experience)
GENERALS - LOSS - fluids, of
* GENERALS - NECROSIS
GENERALS - PULSE - weak
GENERALS - WEAKNESS - acute diseases - during
GENERALS - WEAKNESS - loss of fluids; from
GENERALS - WEAKNESS - paralytic


The woman doctor with Ebola just rescued, was in such collaped blood vessel condition that they could not get a IV needle into her blood vessels anywhere. Someone finally managed to achieve it many hours later.
Ebola is about dehydration.

For interest, below are my notes made on Ebola, during my investigation today. They come from a combination of research papers, news reports and personal descriptions of cases.
(Ebola is a river in the Congo, where the first Ebola outbreak occurred. It is transmissible from monkeys, the only other known species affected.)

<NOTES:

EBOLA VIRUS aka EVD aka EHF (Aug 2014)
(Ebola virus disease or Ebola Hemorrhagic fever)

What I found on doing some information research on this nasty virus today.

There are four forms which are very similar, but vary in virulence somewhat. Most studied is the Congo version, most people are too afraid of it to study it! I suspect, as there are rather few scientific papers. A Japanese one explains the mechanism ....Jnl. Nippon Med.Sch.2001:68(5)

The virus enters through bodily fluid contamination such as saliva, stool, blood, etc, and it is suspected it may transmit through skin as well.
From there it hijacks a body mechanism to make it easy to get into the cells, and into the blood, where it circulates all over including the brain. Then it goes to work to resist attack. It makes a lot of fake "isoforms" which it secretes into the area around the infected cell, to waylay any antibodies.The antibodies mistake the huge numbers of isoforms for virus and get used up and never get to the virus. As if that is not bad enough the virus also blocks the making of both neutrophils and lymphocytes, effectively destroying the white cell immune functions (such as engulfing invading cells) along with the antibody ones.
(HINT....Making antibodies is therefore NOT the way to beat Ebola, and a vaccine to make antibodies will just damage the thymus where the only real defense left, may still exist, via Th1 cytokine activity.)

 Ebola then sets up to damage and kill the host. It is called a hemorrhagic fever because in late stages a lot of bleeding is seen, but death is not from bleeding, it is from dehydration. This is because the virus deranges where fluids of the body are located. The blood stream loses its fluid into surrounding areas, the organs are stopped from maintaining things as they should, and fail, and the result is a blood stream with too little liquid to allow circulation.
For this reason the main treatment is intravenous fluid. The dehydration of the blood is so swift that vessels collapse and it can be hard to just get an IV started. The illness can be so fast that symptoms start in the morning and death ensues that night. Some cases take much longer, like a week or two. Time from exposure to symptoms can be one to twentyone days. But symptoms are fast once they get started. Death rate is up to 90% with allopathy. To date there is no proven vaccine (nor is the current one tested and FDA approved).

Symptoms:
Fever is an early symptom as the virus causes fever as soon as it gets to the bloodstream. Airports will check for fever as a screening test. Other early symptoms are joint and muscle aches, severe headache, sore throat and pharyngitis, and fatigue.
Next to develop are weakness, so bad the person can not get up or get off the bed, stomach pain, diarrhea, nausea and vomiting, dry hacking cough, maybe a rash and maybe red eyes, hiccups, agitation, confusion, dehydration.
 Next is bleeding, such as black bloody stool, vomiting blood, coughing blood, bleeding at injection or IV sites, very low blood pressure as blood vessels lose fluid, and abdominal pain.
Seizures and coma can follow.
 Internally what is then happening is fluid redistribution out of blood vessels to where it does not belong and is not useful, plus multiple organ failure especially the kidneys and liver, plus focal tissue necrosis (widespread internal cell death), also extreme neutro-lymphopenia (lack of neutrophils and lymphocytes to fight back), and most of all ...
DIC - "disseminated intravascular coagulation"
.....meaning widespread coagulation and clotting of whatever is left throughout the inside of the blood vessels, until there is not enough liquid there for properly fluid, circulating blood.
The blood cannot circulate without enough liquid, or if it is clotted, and this is the true cause of Ebola death...death from dehydrated clotted bloodstream.
END NOTES>

CONCLUSION:
I see Cinchona officianlis as the most likely genus epidemicus for the above described reasons.
For people in epidemic areas, it would be wise to use it preventively in 30C IMO, and otherwise to have it in the first aid cupboard.

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Ce qui m'a interpellé dans cet exposé, ce sont les differentes phases de la maladie (ã la fin du mail).
Fievre, faiblesse, puis necrose et saignements.

Est-il possible dans une maladie qui se développe auusi rapidement et aussi fatale, de changer de medicament tres rapidement, selon les phases. Je veux dire si le premier medicament n'enraiepas la maladie au premier stade, il faut très vite trouver le médicament du deuxième stade etc... ?

Dans ce cas, peut-on envisager par exemple China au premier stade fievre/faiblesse, un venin au stade de la nécrose, Ars H. au stade des bulles, ?

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Irene Villiers a fait un bon travail.

Dans mes études d'Ebola, en me concentrant sûr les symptômes, il y avait des characteristiques:
- commençant tout à coup
- fièvre, (pharyngite), symptômes ophthalmologiques (conjunctivite)
- vomissement
- douleurs musculaires
- Oligurie / anurie!!
- exanthema (fièvre exanthémateuse)
- faiblesse
- symptômes hémorrhagiques
Ainsi Lachesis pourrait être aussi indiqué [mais bien sûr Ars-h, Crot-h etc. restent aussi le coffret d'émergence].

Mails il y a aussi un nosode:
La nosode de Leptospirose.

Cette maladie est similaire, ainsi les médecins doivent faire un diagnostique differentiel entre Ebola, Malaria, Leptospirose etc.

Leptospirose est similaire à Ebola (symptômes initials), a aussi l'oligurie/anurie, et des hémorrhagies (surtout pulmonaires).

(D'ailleurs: Cette nosode a été utilisée pour Leptospirose prophylactiquement à Cuba: http://www.homeopathyeurope.org/media/n ... tospirosis)

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 » Thu Aug 07, 2014 2:15 pm
Je n'adhère pour ma part que très peu à l'exposé ci-dessus. Je voudrais bien savoir quels sont les résultats cliniques de la personne qui a écrit???? Combien de cas graves a t elle déjà traité?

J'y vois d'une part un raisonnement "physio-pathologique" qui est d'avance condamné à l'échec, et d'autre part une vision très kaléidoscopique de la maladie avec une multitude de symptômes. La vision semble donc très fragmentée, et surement pas à la recherche de signe caractéristiques, qui doit être notre obsession.

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Gaby wrote:
J'avais eu un contacte avec l'organisation allemande medecins sans frontières il y a quelques semaines. J'ai proposé l'option des remèdes homéopathiques, mais comme ce traitement n'est pas recommandé par WHO...

J'ai maintenant écrit un petit article (en Allemand) du sujet dans mon site ( http://curantur.de/Blog/blog.html), parce que Crot-h (et des autres remèdes) sont dans mon cerveau, quand j'ai lu la première fois de cet épidemie.

Et j'ai ajouté le lien de PH ici.

Ce n'est pas surprenant que la solution homeo ne soit retenue car j'ai entendu à la radio qu'un vaccin!!!! allait bientôt etre essaye contre Ebola et en plus , tant que c'est en Afrique les americains ne s'inquiètent pas trop et ils pensent pouvoir gerer Ebola si il arrive aux USA
http://www.laposte.net/thematique/actualites/france/article.jsp?idArticle=20140808081400-ebola---des-cas-d-infection-aux-Etats-unis-inevitables--&idAgg=actu_france

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Oui, ils vont aller tester sur le terrain des drogues délirantes, et massacrer les blacks pour faire leur profit.

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Edouard Broussalian wrote:
Je n'adhère pour ma part que très peu à l'exposé ci-dessus. Je voudrais bien savoir quels sont les résultats cliniques de la personne qui a écrit???? Combien de cas graves a t elle déjà traité?

J'y vois d'une part un raisonnement "physio-pathologique" qui est d'avance condamné à l'échec, et d'autre part une vision très kaléidoscopique de la maladie avec une multitude de symptômes. La vision semble donc très fragmentée, et surement pas à la recherche de signe caractéristiques, qui doit être notre obsession.


Oui en effet Irène regarde le processus physio-pathologique. Il me semblait intéressant de noter la déshydratation qui a lieu avant la nécrose. Mais on peut tout a fait être en désaccord et je ne suis pas apte à contredire. Ce n'est qu'une étude à partir des données connues du Ebola.
Irène est homéopathe veterinaire et traite principalement des chats. elle traite beaucoup de cas de FIP, Feline Infectious Peritonitis, qui est presque toujours fatal pour les chats. (fatal en 24 ou 48h si j'ai bien compris). Ses cas sont toujours individualisés.

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J'ai reçu ce lien dans ma boite mail : qu'en penser ?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VV0jkmycZmU&feature=youtu.be
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Il nous manque les signes subjectifs des malades: S'il y avait une sensation de tremblement interne par exemple, dans un contexte d'infection virulente, effondrant rapidement les défenses, avec hémorragies, nécroses, épuisement, Sulfuricum acidum pourrait être un autre candidat.
Mais nous serons rapidement fixés. Avec un virus d'un génie épidémique aussi puissant, qui semble s'imposer aux malades, le remède sera probablement le même pour tout le monde. Dès qu'un homéopathe compétent sera passé sur place...

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 » Thu Oct 16, 2014 8:43 pm
Bonjour Monsieur,

Nouvelle sur ce forum, je vous remercie tout d'abord départager avec nous vos préoccupations et tentatives de réponses sur Ebola.
Pourriez vous nous donner une idée de la posologie des différents médicaments que vous préconisez pour des adultes et un enfant de 10 ans ?
Mon email est :

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Très cordialement

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Il est impossible de donner une posologie car celle ci depend de la forte vitale et de la sensibilité du patient notament , sachant que les remèdes vont de 5 à 1 000 000 K ou CH et il y a aussi les LM ,les Fincke
Apres il faut avoir etudié l'homeopathie uniciste pour savoir quand changer de dynamisation ou de remède ou quand antidoter et comment

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Elisa, d'où êtes vous? êtes vous en contact avec des cas d'Ebola ou dans une région touchée par l'épidémie?

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bonjour, je viens de voir un article sur le virus ébola, j'ai ramené l'article chez mon généraliste qui fait de l'homéopathie. Il m'a dit que pour donner même en prévention de l'homéo contre de tel virus, il fallait que le patient soit déjà atteint pour expérimenter l'homéo adéquate... moi qui me voulait me prévenir de toutes sortes de virus, j'ai été stupéfaite d'entendre cela... avis au personnel médical... qu'en pensez vous ? merci pour vos réponses sérieuses.

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maleka40 wrote:
bonjour, je viens de voir un article sur le virus ébola, j'ai ramené l'article chez mon généraliste qui fait de l'homéopathie. Il m'a dit que pour donner même en prévention de l'homéo contre de tel virus, il fallait que le patient soit déjà atteint pour expérimenter l'homéo adéquate... moi qui me voulait me prévenir de toutes sortes de virus, j'ai été stupéfaite d'entendre cela... avis au personnel médical... qu'en pensez vous ? merci pour vos réponses sérieuses.

Ce que j'ai glané dans mes lectures c'est que le remède représentant le génie épidémique peut être donné en préventif lorsque l'épidémie est présente. Encore faut il que des homeopathes puissent rassembler les symptômes permettant de déterminer ce remède
 Par contre ce que j'ignore ce sont les modalités de posologie de ce remède

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Oui je pense que c'est exact Michel. Il faut connaître le médicament qui correspond au génie épidémique pour avoir le maximum d'efficacité.
A défaut on peut toujours essayer, en prévention, de satisfaire la réceptivité morbide envers le miasme de cette fièvre Ebola, en essayant de "saturer les récepteurs" à l'agent épidémique avec un médicament moins homéopathique, connu pour sa capacité à l'avoir fait dans le passé par exemple.

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Athelas wrote:
Oui je pense que c'est exact Michel. Il faut connaître le médicament qui correspond au génie épidémique pour avoir le maximum d'efficacité.
A défaut on peut toujours essayer, en prévention, de satisfaire la réceptivité morbide envers le miasme de cette fièvre Ebola, en essayant de "saturer les récepteurs" à l'agent épidémique avec un médicament moins homéopathique, connu pour sa capacité à l'avoir fait dans le passé par exemple.

Mais comment le prendre ce médicament: Dynamisation , nombre de prises durée des prises?
 Par exemple pendant une épidémie de grippe qui peut durée longtemps , pendant combien de temps faut il prendre le remède?

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Bonsoir Michel,

vas voir ici, mais le lien ne fonctionne plus.

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Le lien avait été fermé, car LMHI va publier ça la semaine prochaine officiellement.

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Merci Gaby

bon dimanche

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Mais comment le prendre ce médicament: Dynamisation , nombre de prises durée des prises?
 Par exemple pendant une épidémie de grippe qui peut durée longtemps , pendant combien de temps faut il prendre le remède?

Ebola n'est pas à la porte. Cette maladie n'est pas transmise par l'air comme le virus de l'influenza.
En ce qui concerne une prophylaxie on peut lire en Anglais l'article suivant, qui documente les résultats d'une prophylaxie du Variole avec Variolinum.

The Facts about Variolinum
By Charles Woodhull Eaton, MD, Des Moines, Iowa
http://homeoint.org/winston/variolinum.htm

Dans ce cas le nosode Variolinum (isopathie) avait de bons éffets, mais comme remèdes prophylactiques aussi des autres remèdes, comme Malandrinum.

Hahnemann a fait ses expériences avec le Choléra, traitement et prophylaxie.
http://www.homeoint.org/seror/hahnemannpub/cholera.htm
et ici on a le site:
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Un témoignage sur la vie à Monrovia au Liberia en ces temps d' Ebola :

http://www.liberation.fr/monde/2014/10/15/tiens-toi-a-trois-metres-et-fais-attention-au-sens-du-vent_1121543

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Gaby wrote:
michel60 wrote:
Mais comment le prendre ce médicament: Dynamisation , nombre de prises durée des prises?
 Par exemple pendant une épidémie de grippe qui peut durée longtemps , pendant combien de temps faut il prendre le remède?

Ebola n'est pas à la porte. Cette maladie n'est pas transmise par l'air comme le virus de l'influenza.
En ce qui concerne une prophylaxie on peut lire en Anglais l'article suivant, qui documente les résultats d'une prophylaxie du Variole avec Variolinum.

The Facts about Variolinum
By Charles Woodhull Eaton, MD, Des Moines, Iowa
http://homeoint.org/winston/variolinum.htm

Dans ce cas le nosode Variolinum (isopathie) avait de bons éffets, mais comme remèdes prophylactiques aussi des autres remèdes, comme Malandrinum.

Hahnemann a fait ses expériences avec le Choléra, traitement et prophylaxie.
http://www.homeoint.org/seror/hahnemannpub/cholera.htm
et ici on a le site:
http://www.planete-homeo.org/cholera-homeopathie-part1/

Super Gaby, tu es une mine d'informations et de liens utiles

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Re: EBOLA EPIDEMIE, traitement homéopathique

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Re: EBOLA EPIDEMIE, traitement homéopathique

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 » Thu Oct 30, 2014 12:28 am
Jean Umber wrote:
Chassez le chimiste, il revient...

Qu'est-ce que ce ars-h ? De l'arsine AsH3 ? proche de l'ammoniac !

Voici ce que dit wikipedia sur l'arsine :

"Le trihydrure d’arsenic est un gaz très toxique par inhalation ou même par contamination cutanée et qui peut être à l’origine d’intoxications mortelles. Il se lie à l’hémoglobine, entraînant une hémolyse et une anémie aiguë.

La toxicité est principalement hématologique et rénale (insuffisance rénale aiguë par hémoglobinurie) mais aussi neurologique et pulmonaire. La durée de latence avant l’apparition des premiers symptômes est d’autant plus courte que l’intensité de l’exposition est plus élevée. Une exposition à 250 ppm est rapidement fatale et des symptômes non spécifiques peuvent apparaître dès 0,5 ppm.

Dans les formes légères, consécutives à une exposition prolongée à de faibles expositions peuvent s’associer des signes peu évocateurs tels céphalées, douleurs musculaires, nausées.

Dans les formes aigües marquées on constate en outre des vertiges, des frissons, des vomissements, des douleurs abdominales. La gravité de l’intoxication dépend de l’importance de l’hémolyse : anémie hémolytique (élévation de la bilirubine non conjuguée, hémoglobinurie). L’atteinte rénale peut compléter le tableau, allant de l’hémoglobinurie modérée (urines rouges) à l’insuffisance rénale aigüe par néphropathie tubulo-interstitielle (avec oligurie puis anurie). Il peut également apparaître une atteinte hépatique vers le 2e ou 3e jour avec une élévation modérée des transaminases rapidement réversible. Des atteintes cardiovasculaires (avec anomalies de l’électrocardiogramme) et pulmonaire (œdème pulmonaire transitoire) peuvent également survenir. On retrouve parfois des séquelles à type de neuropathie périphérique et d’insuffisance rénale chronique."


Le reste de la page Wikipédia est intéressant aussi !
Tu n'avais que donné les effets sur la santé 

À température ordinaire, le trihydrure d’arsenic, également connu sous le nom d’arsine, est un gaz incolore et toxique, plus lourd que l’air, qui a été utilisé en association avec d'autres gaz dans les obus chimiques de la Première Guerre mondiale.

Historique
Les propriétés toxiques de l'arsenic semble connues depuis l'antiquité, d'où son usage en tant que pesticide.
Les arsines ont été utilisés comme arme chimique sous forme de :
- chlorure de diphénylarsine ou (C6H5)2AsCl, dit Clark 1 comme Vomitif et sternutatoire, à partir du 11 juillet 1917, par l'armée allemande
- cyanure de diphénylarsine ou (C6H5)2AsCN, irritant violent, vomitif et sternutatoire, sous le nom de Clark 2 à partir du 20 mai 1918, également par l'armée allemande

Utilisations
Usages guerriers : c'est un gaz qui a été massivement utilisé par l'armée allemande, en association avec d'autres gaz, dans les obus chimiques de la Première Guerre mondiale. Irritant et sternutatoire, associé à l'ypérite, et diffusé en aérosol assez fin pour passer la barrière des filtres des masques à gaz, il forçait les soldats à tousser, éternuer ou vomir dans leur masque à gaz, et donc à ôter ce masque et à respirer de l'ypérite ou un autre toxique diffusé par les obus. Puis d'autres formes d'arsines ont été testées et utilisées, avec des effets de plus en plus puissants, pour produire des gaz irritants et des gaz vésicants.

Des arsines à la fois vésicantes et sternutatoires ont été développées (dichlorure d’éthylarsine et dibromure d’éthylarsine) et utilisées dès mars 1918. Ces « gaz » induisent une forte détresse respiratoire, accompagnée de crampes au niveau de la poitrine générant un fort sentiment d'angoisse, symptômes qui peuvent perdurer jusqu'à vingt-quatre heures. À l'état liquide, elles avaient en plus une action vésicante. Du dichlorure de phénylarsine a aussi été utilisé à partir de novembre 1917, qui ajoutait un effet vomitif irrépressible aux effets des gaz précédents. La peau des soldats les plus exposés aux vapeurs (près du point d'impact) se couvrait de phlyctènes douloureux. Dans les années qui ont suivi la guerre, on a aussi constaté que ces gaz étaient cancérigènes.

Ces gaz agissaient quelques minutes après l'exposition, principalement par contact avec les muqueuses respiratoires et avec les yeux (vive irritation) pour ne s'atténuer qu'après plusieurs heures. Une exposition plus prolongée pouvait provoquer dyspnée asthmatiforme aggravant les effets de l'ypérite. Après guerre, certains de ces obus ont été démantelés, engendrant de très graves pollutions des sols (hautes teneurs en arsenic, par exemple à Verdun) qui ont persisté jusque dans les années 2000. De grandes quantités d'obus chimiques ont été jetées en mer où, après quelques décennies de corrosion, elles sont à l'origine d'une pollution marine.

Le trihydrure d’arsenic est utilisé dans l’industrie des composants électronique pour le dopage des semi-conducteurs, ainsi que dans la chimie organique de synthèse.

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Re: EBOLA EPIDEMIE, traitement homéopathique

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 » Thu Oct 30, 2014 1:36 am
Edouard Broussalian wrote:
Du coup je pense qu'il est INDISPENSABLE de nous préparer à donner avant tout ARSENICUM HYDROGENISATUM qui doit salement ressembler à EBOLA


Le hic c'est que Ars-h ne possède pas de symptômes hémorragiques...
Avec Ebola, on a des hémorragies incoagulables et à l'autopsie les organes sont comme liquéfiés.

Il y a quelques années, j'avais lu le livre "Virus" de Richard Preston qui relate les différentes épidémies d'Ebola.
Voici quelques extraits pour bien cerner les symptômes que produit ce virus :

Souche MARBOURG : Allemagne, 1967
"Marbourg, vieille cité du nord de l'Allemagne [..] avait vu apparaître le virus en 1967, à l'usine Behring, qui produisait des vaccins à partir des cellules rénales prélevées sur des singes verts d'Afrique. Behring importait régulièrement des singes d'Afrique Centrale, et le virus arriva en Allemagne à l'occasion de la livraison de cinq ou six cents animaux en provenance d'Entebbe, en Ouganda. Deux ou trois animaux au plus, atteints par le virus, étaient en période d'incubation. Ils n'étaient probablement même pas malades de facon visible. Pourtant, peu après leur arrivée, le virus s'étendit et quelques primates moururent saignés à blanc [..]. La première personne infectée par le virus de Marbourg et identifiée comme telle fut un certain Klaus F., employé à l'usine de vaccins Behring. Chargé de nourrir les singes, de les tuer et de nettoyer leurs cages, il tomba malade le 8 août 1967 et mourut deux semaines plus tard.[..]. Pendant quelques jours, à Marbourg, les médecins, crurent que c'était la fin du monde.[..]. En Allemagne ses effets sur le cerveau furent particulièrement effrayants tant ils ressemblaient à ceux de la rage : le virus endommageait le système nerveux central, et pouvait détruire le cerveau. Pensant que le Marbourg pouvait avoir un lien avec la rage, on l'appela d'abord "rage étendue", et on l'affilia aux rhabovirus. Plus tard on dût admettre que le Marbourg appartenait en réalité à une autre famille, tout à fait spécifique.[..] Il [le Marbourg] s'attaque à presque tous les tissus des corps, avec une virulence particulière aux organes internes, aux tissus conjonctifs, aux intestins et à la peau. En Allemagne, les survivants perdirent leurs cheveux, qui moururent à la racine, et tombèrent par plaques, comme brûlés par des radiations. Ceux qui décédèrent furent victimes d'hémorragies qui les vidèrent par tous les orifices du corps. J'ai vu une photo prise quelques heures avant qu'un homme meure du Marbourg : il git sur son lit, torse nu, le visage sans expression. Sa poitrine, ses bras et son visage sont marqués de tuméfactions, de taches, et des gouttes de sang perlent de ses seins.
Pendant leur convalescence, les survivants virent la peau de leur visage peler, ainsi que les mains, les pieds et les parties génitales.[..]. Le Marbourg a une préférence pour les testicules et les yeux. Personne ne sait pourquoi. Un homme contamina son épouse au cours de relations sexuelles."

Souche EBOLA-SOUDAN : Soudan, 1976
"Le 6 juillet 1976,[..] au sud du Soudan, [..] un homme connu des chasseurs d'Ebola sous le nom de Yu.G. entra en état de choc et mourut en se vidant littéralement de son sang par tous les orifices du corps.[..] La maladie commença à s'étendre". L'épidémie atteint l'hôpital de Maridi, ce qui ne fit que l'amplifier. "La souche de l'Ebola Soudan était deux fois plus mortelle que celle du Marbourg. La moitié des personnes contaminées étaient mortes.[..] Si ce virus avait pu sortir d'Afrique Centrale, il aurait gagné Khartoum en quelques semaines, puis le Caire peu après, et de là il serait parvenu à Athènes, New York, Paris, Londres, Singapour. Il aurait accompli le tour de la planète. Mais heureusement ce n'est pas arrivé, et le reste du monde ignora la tragédie soudanaise. Pourtant on peut comparer ce qui s'est produit au Soudan à l'explosion secrète d'une bombe atomique. La race humaine venait de frôler une catastrophe la menaçant en tant qu'espèce et nous ne l'avons jamais su.
Pour des raisons peu claires, l'épidémie régressa et le virus disparut.[..]
Une [..] hypothèse est avancée pour expliquer la disparition du virus : il faisait extrêmement chaud et les malades mouraient si vite qu'ils n'avaient guère le temps d'infecter d'autres gens.[..] Le virus, dans son incarnation soudanaise, s'était retiré au coeur de la brousse, où il vit encore de nos jours, circulant indéfiniment dans des hôtes inconnus, capable de se modifier, potentiellement en mesure de pénétrer l'espèce humaine sous une nouvelle forme."

Souche EBOLA-ZAIRE : Zaire, 1976
"La souche Ebola Zaire était encore deux fois plus mortelle que l'Ebola Soudan." On ne sait pas comment la première personne a été contaminée. Le virus s'est de même multiplié dans le cadre des hôpitaux locaux, "comme il suffit de cinq ou dix particules virales de l'Ebola dans le sang pour que se déclenche une amplification extrême dans un nouvel hôte".Voilà ce que l'on peut encore observer en cas de contamination :
"L'Ebola Zaire attaque l'ensemble des organes et des tissus du corps humain sauf les muscles moteurs et les os; c'est un parfait parasite, puisqu'il transforme pratiquement les organes en une bouillie saturée de particules virales. Les sept mystérieuses protéines composant l'Ebola parviennent à travailler ensemble comme une machine infatigable, un requin moléculaire. L'infection progressant, de petits caillots de sang se forment dans les veines tandis que le sang s'épaissit et que son débit ralentit. Les caillots commencent à coller aux parois des vaisseaux sanguins. On appelle cela le "pavage", parce que ces caillots s'imbriquent les uns dans les autres comme un mosaïque couvrant les parois des vaisseaux sanguins. Les caillots deviennent alors de plus en plus nombreux circulant dans le sang et dans les capillaires où ils restent coincés. Ils finissent par bloquer l'arrivée du sang dans divers organes, entrainant une nécrose de certaines parties du cerveau, du foie, des reins, des poumons, des intestins, des testicules, de la poitrine et de la peau. Les taches rouges qui marbrent la peau sont des pétéchies, c'est-à-dire des hémorragies sous-cutanées. L'Ebola attaque les tissus conjonctifs avec une férocité particulière; il se multiplie dans le collagène, qui constitue la structure de la peau et maintient les organes en une seule pièce. Tandis qu'à l'intérieur du corps le collagène est transformé en bouillie, les sous-couches de la peau meurent et se liquéfient, formant sur la peau une multitude de bulles blanches et rouges dites maculopapulaires. L'aspect qui en résulte a été comparé à celui d'un gâteau de tapioca. Des déchirures se forment spontanément sur la peau, et du sang hémorragique s'écoule des blessures. Les taches rouges grandissent et se fondent pour devenir une grosse tuméfaction spontanée, la peau s'amollit et s'affaisse au point qu'on pourrait la déchirer en la touchant. La bouche saigne, le sang coule autour des dents, l'hémorragie s'écoule par les glandes salivaires. La surface de la langue tourne au rouge vif, puis pèle et peut s'arracher au cours des vomissements. Même le coeur saigne; ses muscles s'amollissent et l'hémorragie s'écoule dans les cavités cardiaques. Le sang sort comme d'une éponge du muscle cardiaque à chaque battement et inonde la cavité thoracique. Le cerveau est encombré de cellules sanguines mortes, ce qui entraine un "ramollissement cérébral". L'Ebola attaque la sclérotique, le globe oculaire se remplit de sang, ce qui entraine la cécité. Le sang coule des yeux sur les joues et refuse de coaguler. Il peut se produire une hémiplégie, tout un côté du corps se paralysant, ce qui est invariablement mortel dans le cas de l'Ebola. L'Ebola tue beaucoup de tissus tandis que son hôte est toujours en vie. Il déclenche une nécrose rampante qui s'étend à tous les organes internes. Le foie gonfle, tourne au jaune, se liquéfie avant de se rompre. Les reins engorgés de caillots de sang et de cellules mortes cessent de fonctionner, et l'urée intoxique le sang. La rate n'est plus qu'un unique et énorme caillot de sang de la taille d'une balle de base-ball. Les testicules des hommes gonflent et tournent au bleu, leur semence est infectée par le virus et les bouts des seins peuvent saigner. Chez les femmes, ce sont les lèvres qui deviennent bleues et gonflent, et elles souffrent d'hémorragies vaginales massives. Le virus est une catastrophe pour les femmes enceintes : l'enfant est expulsé spontanément et comme il est généralement infecté lui aussi, il nait avec les yeux rouges et le nez en sang.
L'Ebola détruit le cerveau plus complètement que le Marbourg et, au stade terminal, ses victimes ont souvent des convulsions épileptoïdes. Le "grand mal" entraine des convulsions généralisées : le corps se tord et tremble, les bras et jambes s'agitent en tout sens, les yeux, d'où s'écoulent parfois des grandes quantités de sang, roulent dans les orbites. Les tremblements et convulsions des malades projettent du sang partout. Il est possible que ce soit là d'ailleurs une des stratégies de l'Ebola pour réussir à infecter un nouvel hôte : la victime, en mourant, subit une série de crises au cours desquelles elle fournit au virus de multiples possibilités de contaminer un nouvel hôte par projection de sang. L'Ebola (et le Marbourg) se multiplie si rapidement et avec une telle puissance que les cellules infectées du corps deviennent des blocs semblables à du cristal, constitués de particules virales agglutinées. Les cristalloïdes sont des nichées de virus prêts à sortir de la cellule. On les appelle des "briques". Elles apparaissent d'abord au centre de la cellule, puis migrent vers la paroi. Quand une brique atteint la paroi externe de la cellule, elle se désintègre en centaines de particules virales, qui percent la surface de la cellule comme des cheveux pour partir à la dérive dans les vaisseaux sanguins. Les particules d'Ebola s'accrochent aux cellules partout dans le corps, y pénètrent et continuent à se multiplier dans le coeur, les intestins, les yeux. L'Ebola continue à se multiplier jusqu'à ce que des zones entières des tissus soient pleines de cristalloides, qui s'échappent dans le sang et libèrent encore plus de particules. Cette amplification continue inexorablement jusqu'à ce qu'une goutelette de sang de l'hôte contienne cent millions de particules virales. Après la mort, le cadavre se détériore très vite : les organes internes, déjà partiellement ou totalement morts depuis plusieurs jours, commencent à se décomposer et il se produit une sorte de désagrégation : la peau et les organes, déjà parsemés de zones mortes, surchauffés par la fièvre, et endommagés par le choc, commencent à se liquéfier, et les humeurs qui s'écoulent du cadavre sont saturées du virus Ebola."

La souche la plus "chaude" (la plus contagieuse) dite Ebola-Mayinga, du nom d'une infirmière, est conservée aux Etats-Unis, à l'Institut (l'USAMRIID) par -70°C (dans de l'azote liquide).


Souche EBOLA-RESTON : USA, décembre 1989, 2 gardiens infectés mais rétablis, 400 singes tués.
L'entreprise Hazleton Research Products importe et vend des animaux de laboratoire. Dan Dalguard, le vétérinaire, observe soudain de nombreuses morts parmi ses singes. Il en autopsie plusieurs (sans protection particulière, ne se doutant pas de ce à quoi il va être confronté) et pense à la fièvre hémorragive du singe (ou FHS), virus connu, non dangereux pour l'homme. Puis il se décide à envoyer des échantillons de sang à Fort Derrick, tout proche, où se trouve l'USAMRIID. A réception des échantillons qui n'étaient pas particulièrement protégés, certaines personnes diront même sur le moment : "Heureusement que ce n'est pas l'Ebola !". On s'aperçoit après avec horreur que ce virus inconnu réagit très fortement au test de la souche Ebola-Mayinga, la plus virulente !
Les militaires décident d'agir immédiatement et seuls, même si ce cas n'est pas sous leur juridiction théoriquement (c'est le CDC d'Atlanta qui s'occupe de tous les problèmes civils). Le pavillon des singes à Reston est étanchéifié. Les singes continuent de mourir. Deux gardiens semblent etre contaminés, mais on ne leur applique aucune mesure particulière. On place le pavillon des singes en niveau P4 (risque biologique maximum), et on tue progressivement tous les singes (plus de 400). Par chance, les médias sont tenus à l'écart et presque rien ne s'ébruite. (il est vrai que toute la situation est alors sous contrôle militaire). On irradie entièrement le batiment.
On découvre plus tard, avec stupéfaction, que l'on avait affaire à une nouvelle souche d'Ebola, Ebola-Reston, qui se transmettait par voie aérienne, mais qui n'était pas contagieuse mortellement pour les hommes (les gardiens contaminés ont survécu et vivent aujourd'hui normalement même si le virus les a contaminés).

Les spécialistes de l'USAMRIID concluent que le virus Ebola POUVAIT se transmettre par voie aérienne, étant donné que les souches Ebola-Zaire et Ebola-Reston sont si proches que meme les spécialistes ont du mal à les différencier sur des clichés pris au microscope électronique. (D'ailleurs Nancy Jaax, lieutenant-colonel de l'USAMRIID spécialiste des virus de niveau 4, avait observé cette contamination aérienne auparavant sur des singes en laboratoire, mais ses résultats n'avaient jamais été publiés.)

Quelques mois plus tard, une nouvelle explosion épidémique survint chez les singes et on décida cette fois de laisser faire le virus, puisqu'il n'était pas dangereux pour l'homme. Néanmoins les spécialistes ont estimé etre en présence d'une NOUVELLE souche, mutante de la précédente !!
"La maladie ressemblait maintenant à une grippe ou un rhume Ebola".

Voilà ce que l'on trouve sur Wikipédia :
Les premiers signes de la maladie apparaissent au bout d'une incubation de deux jours à trois semaines, le plus souvent entre 4 et 9 jours. Il s'agit de symptômes non spécifiques rappelant ceux de la grippe : fièvre soudaine, asthénie, myalgie, arthralgie, céphalée, diarrhée, vomissements et douleurs abdominales soudaines. D'autres symptômes initiaux peuvent parfois accompagner ce tableau : conjonctivite, irritation de la gorge, exanthème, insuffisance rénale et insuffisance hépato-cellulaire, avec éventuellement, dès le début de l'affection, état de choc, œdème cérébral, coagulopathie et infection bactérienne secondaire. À ce stade, des hémorragies internes et externes peuvent déjà être observées chez certains patients.

Les symptômes hémorragiques apparaissent généralement quatre à cinq jours après l'infection, comprenant pharyngite, ulcérations buccales et labiales, saignement des gencives et des yeux (conjonctivite hémorragique), et rejets de sang par la bouche (hématémèse), le nez (épistaxis), l'anus (méléna), l'urine (hématurie) ainsi que par saignements vaginaux. On peut également observer des lésions hépatiques, une augmentation du taux sérique de transaminases, une insuffisance médullaire — baisse de la numération leucocytaire (leucopénie) et plaquettaire (thrombopénie) — et une protéinurie.

En phase terminale de la maladie, on observe habituellement normothermie (absence de fièvre), obnubilation, anurie, état de choc, tachypnée, arthralgie et atteinte oculaire. La coagulopathie est souvent accompagnée d'insuffisance rénale, de lésions hépatiques, d'une atteinte du système nerveux central et d'un choc terminal avec défaillance polyviscérale entraînant la mort.

Pour résumer :
http://ebola.sante.gouv.fr/IMG/pdf/infog-ebola-symptomes-03.pdf

Moi je choisirais Crot-h comme remède de première intention.

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Re: EBOLA EPIDEMIE, traitement homéopathique

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Lien très intéressant sûr Ebola (en Anglais):
Understandng Ebola: A visual guide
http://www.goinvo.com/features/ebola/

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Broussalian, das war vorherzusehen!
« Reply #68 on: November 11, 2014, 02:12:13 PM »

Am 31.7.2014 schreibt die Gaby um 10:11 vormittags:

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Re: EBOLA EPIDEMIE, traitement homéopathique

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J'avais eu un contacte avec l'organisation allemande medecins sans frontières il y a quelques semaines. J'ai proposé l'option des remèdes homéopathiques, mais comme ce traitement n'est pas recommandé par WHO...

J'ai maintenant écrit un petit article (en Allemand) du sujet dans mon site ( http://curantur.de/Blog/blog.html), parce que Crot-h (et des autres remèdes) sont dans mon cerveau, quand j'ai lu la première fois de cet épidemie.

Et j'ai ajouté le lien de PH ici.

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Die Gaby ist in Deutschland und hat einen Blog: http://curantur.de/Blog/blog.html

Da hatte die Gutste mehrere Wochen vor dem 31.7.2014 Kontakt mit den "Homöopathen ohne Grenzen" und denen dabei eine Behandlung von Ebola mit Homöopathika vorgeschlagen.

"Aber weil diese Behandlung von der WHO nicht empfohlen wird..." ------- Punkt, Punkt, Punkt: "mais comme ce traitement n'est pas recommandé par WHO... "

Die "Homöopathen ohne Grenzen" hatten es wohl mit der Angst zu tun bekommen und deswegen, zumindest offiziell, die Finger von der Sache gelassen.

Viel wichtiger als die "Homöopathen ohne Grenzen" ist die WHO mit ihrer klaren Ablehnung.  Von dieser Ablehnung hat Edouard Broussalian spätestens seit seinem nächsten Forumsbeitrag nach dem 31.7.2014 gewußt. Im Thread schreibt er am 6.8.2014 um 11:48 vormittags:

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 » Wed Aug 06, 2014 11:48 am

Tu n'imagines pas le boulot de fou que cela représente
Navré de t'inquiéter mais mieux vaut prévoir.

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The LMHI homeopaths got it BANG on their snouts!
« Reply #69 on: November 13, 2014, 04:51:03 AM »

HA!HA!HA!

http://www.lmhi.org/home/article/november-11-update-on-lmhi-mission-to-west-africa

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November 11 Update on LMHI Mission to West Africa

Our team returned from the mission healthy and well, but with different results than we had intended.  Having arrive on 17 October, the four volunteers had received six days of introduction to national health authorities and instruction in Ebola safety protocol before proceeding to the Hospital in which they were supposed to work. But, somewhat surprisingly and due to a few diplomatic problems, they were not allowed to administer homeopathic remedies to the EVD patients as an adjunct to the WHO protocols.

Existing EVD patients, already treated under WHO protocols, had to be managed under that therapy without homeopathic intervention because our volunteers were not allowed to enter the ETU’s (Ebola Treatment Units).Thus, we were unable to apply homeopathy on Ebola patients during this mission.
 
Since the  incidence of Ebola Virus Disease was already declining in that district, and Liberia in general, no new patients with Ebola were admitted to that hospital during the volunteers’ stay, which lasted until 7 November 2014.

While awaiting decisions from the Health Ministry, the team treated very severe non-EVD patients who did arrive, regardless of their disease.  Both hospital and clinic out-patients were seen and treated, with impressive results.  The results were so promising that the LMHI were requested on departure to establish a program of homeopathic teaching and treatment in the Hospital   The mission’s broader goal of bringing homeopathy to Liberia is therefore underway, thanks to the four volunteers and their work.

We wish to thank  the volunteers, the donors, our hosts  in Liberia who supported us, and everyone who participated in the effort to get this team to Liberia, and to bring them home again safely.
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Thymian

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The LMHI homeopaths' ebola fraud in Ganta (Liberia) is on the radar now
« Reply #70 on: November 14, 2014, 07:22:49 PM »

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2834259/Homeopaths-sent-deadly-Ebola-hotspot-treat-victims-ARSENIC-SNAKE-VENOM.html

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EXCLUSIVE: Homeopaths sent to deadly Ebola hotspot to treat victims with ARSENIC and SNAKE VENOM

    Team spent days in remote Liberian hospital to prove that remedies work
    They planned to treat victims with 'rattlesnake venom' and 'Spanish Fly'
    Boasted of the 'unique opportunity' presented by deadly Ebola outbreak
    Claimed they would treat all European victims after proving success

By Gethin Chamberlain In Ganta, Liberia And Simon Tomlinson In London For Mailonline

Published: 12:27 GMT, 14 November 2014 | Updated: 17:55 GMT, 14 November 2014
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Haha! The Daily  Mail beats them up. Now the avalanche is rolling. Thunder, thunder, thunder...



"Ebola death toll in West Africa could become 'unpalatable,' expert says"
Nov 14th 2014 3:03PM
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"Homeopaths sent to deadly Ebola hotspot to treat victims with ARSENIC and SNAKE VENOM"
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"Homeopaths sent to deadly Ebola hotspot to treat victims with ARSENIC and SNAKE VENOM"
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"Homeopaths sent to deadly Ebola hotspot to treat victims with ARSENIC and SNAKE VENOM"
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"If Diagnosed with Ebola, Would You Let a Homeopath Treat You?"
http://www.bubblews.com/news/9410756-if-diagnosed-with-ebola-would-you-let-a-homeopath-treat-you


"Ebolaidiota II."
http://hup.hu/node/136728


"If you’re looking for “the dumbest thing I’ve heard all year,” I believe we have a good contender:
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Zoran

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Don’t worry guys, homeopaths are curing ebola!
« Reply #71 on: November 15, 2014, 08:14:23 AM »

"Don’t worry guys, homeopaths are curing ebola!"
http://www.mixedmartialarts.com/thread/2384345/Dont-worry-guys-homeopaths-are-curing-ebola/?pc=16

"Homeopathische missie naar Liberia ivm ebola"
http://forum.skepp.be/viewtopic.php?f=2&t=3522

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Die durchgeknallten Homöopathen sind schon auf Platz 26 der Top 100!
« Reply #72 on: November 27, 2014, 09:00:13 AM »

1. Terrornetzwerk Homöopathie      67818
2. Wie Wahnsinnige ein Kind über die Klinge springen lassen...      57374
3. Merkt euch ihre Namen!      44512
4. Donsbach im Knast! Donsbach arrested!      42788
5. Nikolaus Klehr und die Bahamas-Connection      36870
6. Anita Petek-Dimmer ist tot.      30760
7. Major diploma mill scheme shut down      30490
8. Boiron flies the magic broom      28067
9. Wer hat Infos zu Vemma?      26352
10. Katastrophe: Radioaktivität durch japanische Atomreaktoren      25001
11. Hurra, wir haben einen Impfschaden!      24277
12. Warnung vor kolloidalem Gold      23621
13. Greiz, ein Schandfleck für Deutschland      22282
14. Tatort Viadrina, Frankfurt/Oder      21849
15. Christopher Lacharite Mueller, Email: clm314@hotmail.com, wants war!?      20876
16. Zapf und Mathias Uhlig: Esoterik und MLM      19676
17. OUTCRY OF JIM HUMBLE'S VICTIMS! MMS IS SHIT!      18720
18. Borreliose: Warnung vor Wolf-Dieter Storl      18482
19. Das Sterben der Penelope Dingle (nee Brown)      17641
20. AEGIS lügt! Anita Petek-Dimmer lügt! Beispiel Tetanus      17287
21. Forever Living Products in Deutschland verboten      17018
22. Untertauchen? Keine Chance!!!      16828
23. OPEN LETTER to VENTEGODT, ANDERSEN, and MERRICK      16457
24. Wie hoch ist die Impfquote!?      16063
25. MLM ist eine Gefahr für die Allgemeinheit      15533
26. Homöopathen ohne Grenzen gehen nach Liberia und Sierra Leone!      15424
27. Krebshilfe fordert abschreckende Bilder auf Zigarettenschachteln      14904
28. Karl Pilsl wird von Gläubigern gesucht      14390
29. Das META-Medizin Handbuch sind die bei Ryke Geerd Hamer geklauten Wahnideen      4. 14326
30. Die Schande des amerikanischen Kontinents      14175
31. Das wird böse enden...      14143
32. Der interessensgesteuerte Pfusch des Prof. Dr. Michael Zacharias      13948
33. !!! *** DRINGENDE WARNUNG vor Alexander Melhorn *** !!!      13855
34. Der notorische Lügner Michael Peuser als Einpeitscher für MLMer von LR      13783
35. Yellow Ribbon for Renate Ratlos, Band 2      13365
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38. Das nennst Du einen Rasierer!?      12438
39. Die Regividerm-Verschwörung ... Hintergründe, Fakten, Abenteurer...      12334
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worelia

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Damning evidence: homeopathy is murder
« Reply #73 on: November 27, 2014, 10:00:06 PM »

This article by the "International Business Times" is relatively old. It dates of August this year. At that time the LMHI homeopaths suddenly got active and began spreading news about collecting donations for a group of homeopaths to go to Africa and treat ebola with their fairy dust.

They did that despite the explicit rejection of "alternative" methods. This article lays out a well-founded background.

It is not only the text. Look at the photo in the article: a man lying on the ground unconsciously, his wife standing aside of him, looking down helplessly:

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Umu Fambulle stands over her husband Ibrahim after he staggered and fell, knocking himself unconscious in an Ebola isolation centre in a closed primary school in Monrovia(John Moore/Getty Images)
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http://www.ibtimes.co.uk/ebola-outbreak-womans-healing-powers-claim-caused-deadly-virus-spread-guinea-1461906

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Ebola Outbreak: Woman's 'Healing Powers' Claim Caused Deadly Virus' Spread From Guinea

By Hannah Osborne
August 20, 2014 11:44 BST

Umu Fambulle stands over her husband Ibrahim after he staggered and fell, knocking himself unconscious in an Ebola isolation centre in a closed primary school in Monrovia(John Moore/Getty Images)

Ebola is believed to have spread from Guinea to Sierra Leone because a woman claimed to have powers to heal the deadly virus, encouraging sufferers to cross the border into the West African country.

Mohamed Vandi, a medical official in the district of Kenema, Sierra Leone, told AFP that the disease is unlikely to have spread there, had the woman not claimed to be able to cure it.

"She was claiming to have powers to heal Ebola. Cases from Guinea were crossing into Sierra Leone for treatment," he said. "She got infected and died. During her funeral, women around the other towns got infected."


Funeral infection

News of the herbalist's death, who lived on the eastern border village of Sokoma, spread rapidly, bringing mourners from far and wide for her funeral. This sparked a chain reaction of infections, deaths and more infections.

In Sierra Leone, there have now been 848 cases of Ebola, resulting in 365 deaths. In Guinea, where the outbreak began, there have been 543 cases and 394 deaths.

Experts say the death rate and infection increased vastly as many people did not believe Ebola existed, or heard rumours about alternative cures and preventative agents.

The World Health Organisation issued a statement warning people not to turn to alternative medicine, saying: "Another source of public misunderstanding, especially in affected areas, comes from rumours on social media claiming that certain products or practices can prevent or cure Ebola virus disease.

Ebola outbreak

Volunteers lower a corpse, which is prepared with safe burial practices to ensure it does not pose a health risk to others and stop the chain of person-to-person transmission of Ebola, into a grave in Kailahun(Handout/Reuters)

"Decades of scientific research have failed to find a curative or preventive agent of proven safety and effectiveness in humans, though a number of promising products are currently under development.

"All rumours of any other effective products or practices are false. Their use can be dangerous. In Nigeria, for example, at least two people have died after drinking salt water, rumoured to be protective.

"The most effective personal behaviours are avoiding well-known high-risk situations, knowing the symptoms of infection, and reporting early for testing and care."

DIY Ebola cures

The use of homeopathy and alternative medicine to treat Ebola was called into question after a blog post appearing on the website Natural News suggested the virus could be treated with a "make your own Ebola remedy".

According to the Independent, blog author Ken Oftedal wrote: "With dangerous large-scale epidemics, such as Ebola could turn out to be, the medical establishment is more often than not caught unprepared, as vaccines and/or successful treatment take time to develop and the logistics involved in distribution can be insurmountable.

"Therefore, you may be left to your own devices, in which case alternative self-treatment, in particular, homeopathy, would be your only hope of survival."

Natural News later deleted the article and said it would be investigating the author in question: "Natural News does not condone any member of the public attempting to interact with Ebola, a very hazardous biological threat," it told the newspaper.

However, Natural News is still featuring an article describing how Ebola infections can be prevented by using herbal medicines and alternative therapies, written by the site's founder, "health freedom activist" Mike Adams.
Related

    Ebola: Nigerian Doctor Who Detected First Case in Country Dies
    Ebola Outbreak: Harrowing Photos of Hard-Hit Areas in Liberia
    Ebola: Liberia Struggling to Track 17 Suspected Cases Missing After Attack At Treatment Centre
    Ebola Outbreak: WHO Calls on Affected African Countries to 'Exit Screen' All Leaving by Land, Air and Sea
    How Ebola Disables 'Emergency Access Lane' in Immune Response Discovered
    Ebola Scare: People Turn to God as Wait for Cure Continues and Toll Keeps Rising
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The article is dated 20th. August 2014. That is quite early. Already at that time the idiot Ken Oftedal is mentioned, and it is absolutely and  unmistakably clear that homeopathy is worthless, does not work against ebola, and only poses lethal risks.

The position of the WHO is absolutely clear:

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The World Health Organisation issued a statement warning people not to turn to alternative medicine, saying: "Another source of public misunderstanding, especially in affected areas, comes from rumours on social media claiming that certain products or practices can prevent or cure Ebola virus disease.
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Also absolutely and unmistakably clear is: use of "alternative" medicine will and does spread the disease:

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Mohamed Vandi, a medical official in the district of Kenema, Sierra Leone, told AFP that the disease is unlikely to have spread there, had the woman not claimed to be able to cure it.
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It is during this situation that the LMHI homeopaths decide to go to Africa and apply homeopathy to ebola patients. If there is something on earth that can be called insane, it is this.

Now, consider a hospital in such a country, hell, take the one in Ganta, Liberia, and tell the people there that homeopaths will come to heal them: how can anyone be so stupid to believe such lies?

Consider the administration of a hospital, the doctors and nurses being beaten by ebola, either dead or having fled, only a wreck of "health care" being left, and some homeopaths call and want to come and offer help and medical treatment. How insane can a hospital management be to let the homeopaths in? And, believe me, it is even worse, was worse, got worse, and will be worse, what is happening there right now. Are we talking about complete idiots, about bought butchers, about hopelessly stricken religious weirdos, bible junkies, and corrupt hangmen? Yes, we are. And it is not only this. No, it is worse.
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« Reply #74 on: November 28, 2014, 07:37:44 AM »

So we now know that already in August 2014 (or even earlier) the WHO rejected homeopathy and other "alternative" nonsense because such quackery had led ebola infections to cross the border of guinea and caused the outbreak in Sierra Leone!

The mechanism of quackery to spread the disease already at that time was known, and warnings were made just because of that.

To go to Africa to spread homeopathy is nothing else but to go there and spread ebola. No one involved can push aside the guilt. No one!

Further: The people in Africa suffer from a disastrous shortage of medicaments and medical personnel. The LMHI and other homeopaths' organizations and persons involved do know that, and they aggressively exploit the emergency situation of the Africans.

The Africans grab for the last straw. They MUST keep a smiling face despite knowing that they are defrauded. The Africans die. To abuse and exploit dying people is one of the worst crimes ever.

This crime is committed by leading German homeopaths. They do know what they do. And they WILLFULLY do it. And they go on doing it. They already prepare a second "expedition" to Africa.

Homeopathy is murder.

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Original in Englisch is schon länger online. Atheismusblog hat  heuer die deutsche Ausgabe angekündigt.

I find's scho krass, ein Krankenhaus und die Patienten reinzumlegen und die Kranken mit Klobuli abspeisen zu wolln.

http://www.vice.com/de/read/ein-paar-vollidioten-sind-nach-liberia-geflogen-um-ebola-patienten-mit-homoeopathie-zu-heilen-991

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Ein paar Vollidioten sind nach Liberia geflogen, um Ebola-Patienten mit Homöopathie zu heilen
November 28, 2014

Von JS Rafaeli

Dr. Richard Hiltner ist ein netter Mensch. Er ist den Sechzigern (sieht aber jünger aus, wie das bei Kalifornien öfters der Fall ist) und hat diese typische Westküsten-Art, alles immer super positiv klingen zu lassen—auch die Tatsache, dass er und drei andere behandelnde Ärzte vor einigen Wochen nach Liberia flogen und dort versuchten Ebola-Patienten mit Homöopathie zu heilen.

„Wir landeten am 17. Oktober in Monrovia, mussten dann drei Tage lang den Umgang mit der PSA erlernen—der persönlichen Schutzausrüstung, diesen großen Schutzanzügen mit denen man dort alle rumlaufen sieht—bevor wir dann weiter zum Krankenhaus in Ganta reisen konnten", berichtet Hiltner.

Erst, als sie in Ganta ankamen, einer Stadt, die in einem besonders stark von Ebola betroffenem Gebiet liegt, begannen für die vermeintliche Hilfsexpedition die Probleme.

Das Team streifte sich die Schutzanzüge über, holte ihr Arsenal an homöopathischen Behandlungsmitteln raus und wollte schon anfangen, die ersten Patienten zu behandeln, als den Angestellten und der Führung des Ganta Hospitals dämmerte, was die ausländischen Helfer dort eigentlich vorhatten. Dem Team wurde umgehend der Zugang zur ETU (Ebola Treatment Unit) untersagt.

Anscheinend hatte niemand in dem Krankenhaus—und der liberianischen Gesundheitsbehörde—gewusst, dass dieses Ärzteteam homöopathische Mittel einsetzen würde. Die Regierung Liberias hatte in der Annahme, dass es sich bei der Delegation um medizinisch geschulte Ärzte handeln würde, die gekommen waren, um lokale Helfer vor Ort zu unterstützen, die Reise bewilligt und Visa ausgestellt.

Hiltner und seine Kollegen stiegen nach ihrer Verbannung aus dem Krankenhaus wieder in ihre Jeeps und machten sich auf den Weg zurück nach Monrovia, um die nötigen Papiere zu bekommen. „Für 100 Meilen [160 Kilometer] brauchten wir über fünf Stunden— es war wahrscheinlich der furchteinflößendste Teil unseres Trips", berichtet er. „Diese Reise mussten wir insgesamt fünfmal antreten."

Die liberianischen Behörden waren sich ihrer Sache aber sicher: Auf gar keinen Fall würden Ebola-Patienten mit Zuckerkügelchen behandelt werden, die man in Wasser aufgelöst hatte.

Freiwillige Helfer in Nigeria, die garantiert nicht mit homöopathischen Mitteln arbeiten (Foto: ​CDC Global | ​Wikimedia | ​CC BY 2.0)

Für diejenigen unter euch, die noch nicht mit Globuli, Dilutionen, Salben und anderem Schnickschnack in Berührung gekommen sind: Die Homöopathie wurde 1796 von dem deutschen Wissenschaftler Samuel Hahnemann entwickelt und basiert auf dem Simileprinzip—d.h. Ähnliches wird durch Ähnliches geheilt. Das funktioniert in etwa so: Heuschnupfen lässt deine Augen tränen, oder? Rate mal, was deine Augen noch tränen lässt. Zwiebeln! Du legst dann einfach ein winziges Zwiebelstück in destilliertem Wasser ein, verdünnst dieses Wasser dann einige hunderte Male, noch einmal gut durschütteln und fertig—Heuschnupfen wird dir von nun an keine Probleme mehr bereiten.

Das Ebolavirus gehört zu den hämorrhagischen Fiebererkrankungen und bringt dich um, indem es die Wände deiner Adern buchstäblich auflöst. Das führt dann dazu, dass du innerlich verblutest. Die Krankheit ist tatsächlich so grausam, wie sie sich anhört. Dr. Hiltner sagt, dass sein Team mit 110 homöopathischen Heilmitteln nach Liberia gereist ist, die Ebola potenziell hätten heilen können. Nach dem Simileprinzip brauchten sie natürlich andere Substanzen, die einen durch innere Blutungen umbringen. Arsen und Klapperschlangengift waren die beiden Mittel, auf die sie die meiste Hoffnung setzten. Wenn man schon in der ETU liegt, wird man sich wahrscheinlich nichts Besseres vorstellen können, als seinem Körper auch noch diese Substanzen zu verabreichen.

Selbst wenn man den ganzen Nervengift-für-Todkranke-Aspekt mal außen vor lässt, gibt es noch die eigentlich Kontroverse um homöopathische Arzneimittel, die darin besteht, dass die vermeintlichen Medikamente derartig verdünnt sind, dass sich nicht mal mehr die Spur eines Moleküls des angeblichen Wirkstoffes—sei es jetzt Zwiebel, Arsen oder irgendetwas anderes—nachzuweisen ist. Chemisch gesehen ist es einfach nur Wasser, das auf Zuckerkügelchen geträufelt wird. In der Theorie soll der homöopathische Wirkstoff die „Energie" des Wassers „umprogrammieren"—ähnlich wie man Daten auf einer Festplatte speichert—und es ist dann dieses „Wassergedächtnis", das einen angeblich heilt.

Eine ETU in Liberia (Foto: ​CDC Global | ​Wikimedia | CC BY 2.0)

Trotz der Behauptungen des Ärzteteams—und Prominentenunterstützung durch Prince Charles, Prof. Götz Werner, dem Gründer der Drogeriemarktkette dm, und anderen Menschen, die eigentlich zu reich sind, um jemals richtig krank zu werden—liegt keine einzige unabhängig begutachtete wissenschaftliche Studie vor, bei der homöopathische Mittel besser abschnitten als Placebos.

Angesichts dieser Faktenlage ist es vielleicht nicht ganz so verwunderlich, dass die Behörden Liberias nicht gewillt waren, dieses Zeug auch nur in die Nähe ihrer Ebola-Patienten zu lassen—zumal gerade die Augen der ganzen Welt auf Westafrika gerichtet sind.

Es kommt einem schon ein bisschen die Kotze hoch, wenn man bedenkt, dass vier erfahrene Ärzte die Ressourcen eines von bitterer Armut geplagten Landes strapazieren, während dieses gerade gegen eine gefährliche Epidemie kämpft. Die Ärzte hätten schließlich genau so gut richtige Hilfe leisten können. So geht es auf jeden Fall auch Mike Noyes, dem Kopf von ActionAid, der in der ​Daily Mail folgendermaßen zitiert wird: „In so einer Kriese darf man keine falsche Hoffnung schüren. Es gibt keinen wissenschaftlichen Beweis dafür, dass Homöopathie irgendeine Auswirkung auf eine Viruskrankheit wie Ebola hat. Es ist überaus gefährlich, mit derartig unbewiesenen Behandlungsmethoden anzukommen. Das behindert die lokalen Eindämmungsbemühungen und den Versuch, die Krankheit unter Kontrolle zu bringen."

Das Team durfte am Ende dann Patienten mit homöopathischen Mitteln behandeln, die nicht an Ebola erkrankt waren. Über die Ergebnisse schien man durchaus zufrieden, allerdings bekamen die Patienten nebenbei auch noch die konventionellen Medikamente. Aus jedweder wissenschaftlichen oder therapeutischen Perspektive sind die Resultate also unbedeutend.

Echte Ärzte und Krankenschwestern trainieren im militärischen Ebola-Training Center in der nähe von York (Foto: ​Simon Davis/DFID | ​Flickr | CC BY 2.0)

Im Großen und Ganzen klingt die Unternehmung also wie ein absoluter Reinfall—vier Ärzte, die durch Liberia irren und von überrumpelten einheimischen Medizinern davon abgehalten werden, ihre Quacksalberei zu praktizieren. Selbst die eigentlich auf der Hand liegende Frage, ob sie sich bei ihrer Rückkehr einer Quarantäne unterzogen haben—oder einfach planten, sich selber mit Schlangengift zu behandeln—erübrigt sich, da sie ja nie wirklich in Kontakt mit Ebola-Patienten gekommen waren.

Wenn die vermeintliche Hilfsmission selber vielleicht einfach nur unglaublich chaotisch und fehlgeleitet rüberkommt, so hat die ganze Geschichte auch noch eine leicht zwielichtige Seite.

Die Mission wurde von zwei Organisationen organisiert: der Liga Medicorum Homoeopathica Internationalis, eine der wichtigsten Fürsprecher-Organisation für Homöopathie, und dem deutschen Verein Freunde Liberias, der es sich zur Aufgabe gemacht hat, die Zusammenarbeit zwischen Deutschland und Liberia zu verbessern.

Mit ​dieser Kampagne sammelte der in Leipzig ansässige Verein Spenden. Dort ist die Rede von einem „Team von etwa 20 internationalen Ärzten", kein Wort allerdings davon, dass diese ausschließlich als Homöopathen praktizieren werden. Das erklärt auch, warum die liberianischen Behörden die ganze Unternehmung unterstützten. Dort ging man ebenfalls von einem „Team von Ärzten" aus und als sich herausstellte, dass es sich um Homöopathen handelte, zeigte man sich äußerst bestürzt.

Ein echter Doktor zieht seinen PSA wieder aus, als er die ETU verlässt (Foto: ​CDC Global/Athalia Christie | ​Flickr | CC BY 2.0)

Wurde also von den Organisatoren der Hilfsmission vorsätzlich unter der falschen Angabe, echte Ärzte rüberzuschicken, Geld gesammelt, Visa beantragt und Unterstützung aus der liberianischen Regierung gewonnen, um dann eine Gruppe Homöopathen in das Krisengebiet zu schicken? Sollte das der Wahrheit entsprechen, wäre diese Aktion mit schäbig noch sehr wohlwollend umschrieben.

Als ich Thomas Köppig, dem Vereinsvorsitzenden der Freunde Liberias um eine Stellungnahme bat, äußerte sich dieser recht deutlich:

„Als LMHI bei Freunde Liberias anfragte, ob wir diese Reise unterstützen möchten [...] erhielt ich auch die vier Lebensläufe [...], die bestätigten, dass alle Gruppenmitglieder behandelnde Ärzte und offensichtlich auch erprobt im Einsatz in Katastrophengebieten sind. [...] Des Weiteren bestätigte LMHI, dass diese Doktoren in erster Linie als reguläre Ärzte arbeiten würden und nur nebenbei als Homöopathen."

Weniger deutlich äußerte sich hingegen LMHI zu dem Vorfall. Die Organisation behauptete, dass die Ärzte „aufgrund einiger diplomatischer Probleme keine Ebola-Patienten behandeln konnten. [...] Da sich die allgemeine Lage geändert hat, sammeln wir keine Spenden mehr für irgendwelche Ebola-Hilfsaktionen."

Unter den teilnehmenden Ärzten herrschte hingegen keine Unklarheit darüber, dass sie in Liberia Homöopathie und keine Schulmedizin praktizieren würden. Darüberhinaus sollte die Unternehmung auch dazu dienen, für die Homöopathie zu werben.

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Als die Geschichte ans Licht kam, löschte Karen Allen von Homeopaths Without Borders diese ​Nachricht von Dr. Ortrud Lindemann, dem deutschen Team-Mitglied der Liberiamission, von ihrer Facebook-Seite. Dr. Edouard Broussalian, ein weiterer Arzt der Gruppe, löschte ebenfalls einen ​Post von seiner eigenen Seite, in dem er behauptet hatte, die Mission würde dafür sorgen, dass die „Schöpfer experimenteller Impfungen von nun an das Feld räumen müssen". Es gab tatsächlich eine ganze Reihe gelöschter Seiten, auf denen sich Menschen mit Verbindungen zum LMHI zu der Mission äußerten—so etwas ist selten ein gutes Zeichen.

Dr. Hiltner selber gibt sich offen: „Das war eine großartige Gelegenheit, eine Krankheit zu behandeln, die die Schulmedizin noch nicht in den Griff bekommt. Nicht nur um Menschen zu helfen, sondern auch um zu zeigen, dass Homöopathie funktioniert ... Irgendwann wird der Tag kommen, an dem die Schulmedizin der Homöopathie mit Respekt begegnet—beide haben ihre Stärken und beide haben ihre Schwächen. Man muss aufhören, sich gegenseitig schlecht zu machen."

Wenn man sich so mit Dr. Hiltner unterhält, fällt es einem schwer, ihn für das ganze Desaster verantwortlich zu machen. Er nahm sich die Zeit, um als Freiwilliger in Liberia zu helfen, und zahlte den Flug von Kalifornien nach Brüssel, wo sich das Homöopathen-Team traf und weiter nach Monrovia flog, aus eigener Tasche (er sagt, dass er die Reisekosten vielleicht noch zurückerstattet bekommt).

Für jemanden, der schon seit 44 Jahren als praktizierender Schulmediziner arbeitet, befasst sich Dr. Hiltner allerdings mit einigen wirklich hirnrissigen Behandlungsmethoden—darunter auch ​Iridologie und ​Iatroastrologie—in deren Gegenwart Homöopathie noch geradezu wissenschaftlich erscheint. Er ist sich dabei aber durchaus darüber bewusst, dass es sich um umstrittene Behandlungsmethoden handelt, und würde diese niemals verwenden, um der Schulmedizin in die Quere zu kommen—das galt auch für seinen Ausflug nach Liberia. Es lässt sich wohl sagen, dass er das Herz am rechten Fleck hat, auch wenn es ihn zu bescheuerten Sachen verleitet.

Umso mehr ist es eine Schande, dass er in dieses Fiasko mithineingezogen wurde. Die Vorstellung von einer Gruppe Ärzte, die mit Koffern voll verdünntem Schlangengift durch Westafrika tingelt, hat schon gewisse humoristische Qualitäten; eine Epidemie heimlich als Homöopathie-Werbeaktion zu missbrauchen, indem man vorgaukelt medizinische Hilfe zu schicken, ist hingegen einfach nur daneben.
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« Reply #76 on: November 30, 2014, 10:54:58 PM »

"World’s Most Intelligent Woman Endorses Homeopathy." No! SHE DOES NOT! Benneth lies.

Benneth continues to lie about the FDA.

Benneth lies about the WHO: "‘GO ‘WAY, CURE FOR EBOLA  NOT WANTED HERE’"

The truth is: FRAUDS NOT WANTED HERE!


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I’ve been MIA from this blog since September 14th. I won’t go into details just yet as to why your correspondent has not made an entry for so long, but life must go on, so I have come out of grief and hiding long enough to bring you up to date on some very interesting developments on the world’s most controversial subject . .

According to an email received November 15th, 2014 from Dr. V. Krishnaamurthy of West Mambalam, Chennai in India, there have been three complete cures of Ebola within an hour after taking a single high dose of an isotopic drug potency of Lachesis mutata, a pharmaceutical approved by the U.S. Food and Drug Adminsitraation (FDCA) for use in the treatment for hemorrhagic fever.

IT GETS WORSE . .

You might want to read that last paragraph again and commit it to memory; what follows gets worse . . and you might forget the killshot: that it’s been approved by the FDCA for about 80 years now.

Unfortunately, the objective supramolecular chemistry of this drug, like others in its class, is confused with its subjective “like cures like” application; FDCA proven effective as it may be, and so misunderstood as it is, neither the drug nor its method of selection is taken seriously, by anyone . . really.

Until now . .

EBOLA EASILY CONTROLLED?

The historical facts not only reveal that the Ebola epidemic that has raged throughout Western Africa can be easily controlled homeopathically, but demand that it be stopped homeopathically.

Homeopathy has been a sidebar, in medicine given that there’s more money in extending disease than in curing it, so the medical profession has propagated the notion that homeopathic  remedies are inert, when in fact their active component appears undetectable to those who are looking for some high school chemical explanation, the answer lies in nuclear physics, as in medical isotopes.

Given past performances . . like when I brought it up at the Cavendish at Brian Josephson’s symposium . . this should start a riot among those who abbreviate themselves as skeptics and bloviate themselves as scientists . . armchair scientists that is, so I come prepared, with every jot and tittle. I expect to be called a liar first and checked out for facts second, at which time I expect some apologies due.

We already have in hand the necessary proven, tried and tested, FDCA regulated and protected drugs for the prevention and cure of West African hemorrhagic fevers such as Ebola. Moreover, novel as it may seem, we can also administer prophylaxis (prevention of disease) to entire populations to safely prevent people from contracting the disease using these same isotopic materials we use to cure it.

HOMEOPATHS GO TO LIBERIA

It’s not that we haven’t tried to use them. Four M.D.’s bearing an armamentarium of over 125 isotopic drugs selected semiologically for the symptoms of Ebola, hand in glove on the doorsteps of Liberian hospitals, offered to use them curatively, repeatedly, but were turned away, repeatedly, by directives from the Old  World Health Organization (OWHO).

‘GO ‘WAY, CURE FOR EBOLA  NOT WANTED HERE’

To be kind, we could say the problem is that although these drugs are legal, and their action well proven in countless clinical tests by medical doctors for over two hundred years . . to the present day,  their use voluminously documented, indexed and growing, they were developed in a time well before the advent of nuclear science, and so they still bear that 19th century stigma. Medical science grew up around that stigma, bearing along with it the same  misconceptions of homeopathy today that it had  then, not understanding their isotopic nature, or what they were, or how they worked, and while relying on past confusion about their physics, shrugged them off under the pall of ridicule and abuse, and continuing the homeopathic “inquisition” to this present day.

And so, around this, has grown some sharp thorns and rather dicey apples.

A rescuing man or woman might say “rather than arguing about it , why not just give it a try?” and by the time they’re finished with this short essay they might say it with tears in their eyes. But without some major arm wrestling,  it’s not going to happen.  The reason why, I fear, is because just as there are those among us  who are afraid it won’t work, there are those who are afraid it will . . !!!

You will find this is not the only stop. So bear with me a little more while I attempt to explain this curse for the edification of all. And this is important, because modern medical science is missing a huge opportunity: :

THE ISOTOPE

Diluted “homeopathic” drugs are esssntially medical isotopes.  An isotope is the radioactive form of an element. All matter can be made radioactive, especially water, since water has an absorptivity and emissivity rate index second only to an ideal black box material, such as carbon soot, and it is water that is the primary vehicle for most of the drugs used in homeopathic medicine . .  and I emphasize most because not all drugs used in homeopathy are aqueous dilutes.

A medical isotope is a very small quantity of a radioactive substance used in mainstream medicine for safe, cost-effective imaging and treatment of disease. Ditritium oxide, 3H20, also known as superheavy water, pure water made radioactive in the environment, is an example of a medical isotope, more specifically the hydrogen isotope in water . . used in mainstream medicine. 3H2O then is a perfect corollary for a physical explanation of the water based drugs carrying a radiant taint of the diluent’s guest starting material, the radioactive signal, or isotope of any material processed in what are popularly known as homeopathic remedies.

COGNITIVE THERAPY FOR HOMEOPATHY DENIERS

A common question, or challenge to homeopathy, has been that it’s ridiculous to assume that plain water can have a memory, and that there’s no proof of it. But the problem with skeptical thinking (and it’s really not skeptical in a classical or global sense) is it presupposes that by the usual standards of authoritative science, that what shouldn’t be isn’t, and so, when it hits what it appears to be an anomaly, it skips to a pre-made answer, that the anomaly exists on the part of the sender as a  fraud, and on the part of the receiver, or buyer, as a delusion, and around this paradigm it becomes invested, emotionally and then monetarily, and any information that contradicts the pre-made answer is rejected; this is exactly what has happened with homeopathy and most of the scientific community that attends to it . . but with some glaring contradictions  that explode the basic underlying myth, that homeopathic drugs are inert.

To get around this requires the persistent application of mass cognitive therapy, and depite an occasonal excursion, that, in a term, cognitive therapy for homeopathy deniers is what this blog is primarily about.

3H20, ditritium oxide, then  is a naked, well known and accepted, prima facie example of what not only answers the primary objection to homeopathy, that pure water cannot be made active in a way that has specific biological  effects; it raises the question as to how is it that water can become radioactive in the environment,  retain a radiant signal, or a memory, and transmit it?

This should raise some objections, and certainly it will among the hardcore “skeptics”,  but to date, in presenting the “radiant water” evidence and the “3H2O Argument” for homeopathy to top researchers on the subject, no one has yet been able to explain it, even though it is widely stated that naked Tritium, the designated driver of ditritium oxide, has a half life of 12 years, and that under water based “homeopathic remedies,” when fixed with solid material media, are known to retain their action indefinitely.

The strength of this medicine then (among other things which will be explained further, later, perhaps much later, i.e. the physics of H2O adsorption and emissivity) has also been its downfall. Not knowing that they are in technical reality medical isotopes, or radiopharmaceuticals, “homeopathic remedies” have been conflated with their intended use: Homeopathically, the principal of which is” like cures like.”

The drugs most often used in this novel application of sympathetic medicine called “homeopathy” have then been misnomered as “homeopathic,” which is not a physico-chemical term, whereas “medical isotope” is.

JESUS CHRIST HOMEOPATHY = WORLD’S GREATEST CONTROVERSIES

Homeopathy then has grown up as a problem child, misnomered and mischaracterized, which even its best practitioners and scientists, buffeted by a storm of censure, shrink back from . . i.e. its demonstrable plasma physics. Begging your forgiveness then for such a long read, you can hopefully understand the neccesity to present such detail to this tangled yarn in he hopes in understanding it you and others will be able to untangle the skein . .

According to the Washington Post, a study of edit changes on a popular online encyclopedia shows homeopathy has become one of two of the world’s most controversial and contentious subjects, ahead of, if not equal to, Jesus Christ, both known to be great healers, the electrical force majeure of both just now becoming understood . .

Does this explain the log jam in Liberia?

HOMEOPATHY ARRIVES IN LIBERIA, BEDS START TO EMPTY?

The first known homeopathic remedies were sent to Monrovia in Liberia by the International Emergency Management Organization (IEMO, Rome) in September, 2014; the author sent a second load in mid October. By October 19th, 2014, four homeopathically trained medical doctors, one each from the U.S., India, Switzerland and Spain, arrived in Monrovia. They were sent by the Liga Medicorum Homoeopathica Internationalis (LMHI), the International Organization of Homeopathic Physicians. On November 6th, 2014, the Washington Post announced that the number of reported Ebola cases had dropped in Liberia, and Monrovia was returning to normal.



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We need help if we are to continue involvement in this crisis.

Pre-emptive copies of Ebola Prophylaxis and Cure, sent to some of the top minds in homeopathy, are receiving encouraging reviews if not rave reviews such as “amazing work.” Of course, “the envelope of puffery is unlimited in its facility for expansion,” but it should not require special leverage to get you to read it, as we offer to you this historical piece of work free, gratis, and at no charge . . no charge more, that is, other than the potential imprecation for ignoring it as the lifesaver it is for the world’s most notorious epidemic, and the prayer that you commit yourself to help.

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There are many words dwelling in the ellipsis that are not said, but we are trying to pare them away: Dr. Martin Salia, the Sierra Leone doctor who died from Ebola in an Omaha, Nebraska, the last to date to succumb from it on American soil . . to put it conservatively, may have died needlessly, as have thousands of others in other parts of the world, as may thousands more if homeopathy is not put to the test, or in the past-perfect and future imperative, died, and will die, without it.

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Do not be fooled by professional skeptics and pseudoscientists into thinking this is quackery. They will attempt to discredit it. To save their reputations, and to keep from becoming the objects of the same scorn they once heaped on homeopathy, will use whatever means they have before them to quash it.

DO NOT ignore this opportunity before it is removed because of lack of support.

Read it for yourself. Ebola Prophylaxis and Cure summarizes and gives online links to the detailed history of the homeopathic cure of hemorrhagic fevers, as are manifested in Ebola and other similar epidemics. It reveals the physics behind homeopathy; it repertorizes the symptoms of Ebola, showing which remedies out of 1000 are the best for each stage of the disease, and provides online links to comprehensive reviews of each drug in the FDCA recommended compendium.

Furthermore, Ebola Prophylaxis and Cure does what few if any modern western homeopaths can or are willing to do. It not only shows which remedies to consider, for those who are inexperienced, standing under the arch of doubt, it shows which potencies to use, when to give them at what intervals of time for each stage of the disease.

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Hentrich says:
 November 23, 2014 at 5:55 pm

According to an email from Dr. V. Krishnaamurthy of West Mambalam, Chennai in India, three people have been diagnosed with Ebola, and cured with homeopathy.
 Stop right there. According to all reputable media and Indian Ministry of Health and Family Welfare, the ONLY person in India who has ever had Ebola is the 26-year-old Indian national who contracted it in Liberia, was transported back to India for treatment, and is currently under quarantine. Assuming what Dr. Krishnaamurthy says is true (and it’s so not, it’s laughable), that means that three people were diagnosed with Ebola, and the public health authorities in India were not notified. Even if they were cured with homeopathy, that is medical malpractice on an astronomical scale. How does Dr. K know these three people haven’t infected anybody else? Assuming these three people exist and were sick, could it have been another illness, like malaria, which is FAR more common, especially in India? If this happened in the US, it would be a felony. Again, this is all assuming that they WERE cured with homeopathy.
 If he had actually found three people with Ebola, he should have immediately contacted the Ministry of Health and Family Welfare, the WHO, and the media. He then could have cured these three people and had plenty of proof to back up his claims. He would certainly win a Nobel Prize for discovering a cure for Ebola and ending its worst epidemic, but of course saving the lives of thousands of people would be the greatest reward.

Instead, he sent you an email. Color me unimpressed.


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johnbenneth says:
 November 23, 2014 at 8:30 pm

Stop being such a dupe, Hentrich. Why would he win a Nobel for a cure for Ebola when the FDCA already refers you to cures for hemorrhagic fevers like Ebola in Clarke’s Dictionary of the Materia Medica . . as the hemorrhagic diathesis? It’s all online. You can find the links in the free PDF download above, “Ebola Prophylaxis and Cure.” Grow up! There are numerous cures for it. I can shove this stuff right under your nose and you’re so stuck up you still won’t get it.
 Maybe Krishnaamurthy IS lying . . LOL! . but if he is, he could be making it up by simply reading it out of the FDCA approved literature!


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Hentrich says:
 November 24, 2014 at 2:46 am

Instead of offering any proof to beack your claim beyond “I got an email”, you’re insisting Clarke cured Ebola, despite the challenge of having died more than 40 years before the first case was reported.


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johnbenneth says:
 November 24, 2014 at 4:33 pm

Hentrich- So you’re saying we should bury a man with his work? If we did that we’d have to disinter Webster before looking up a word. Look, all you’re doing here is looking for a way to excuse yourself for being wrong about homeopathic remedies being inert by discrediting its reporters, which now we find out includes the FDCA! LOL! Without invoking the name of a deity, what I would give to see you read the FDCA statute on homeopathic remedies for the first time.
 How old are you? I get the feeling I’m communicating with an angry child. Look, Hentirch, all I’m doing is following the law. The law says Clarke is “a guide to the use of homeopathic drugs,” but that Clarke “must be reviewed in conjunction with other available literature on these drug substances.” This is exactly what I have done in Ebola Prophylaxis and Cure to determine which remedies are best to be used for the known symptoms of Ebola. Read it and believe it.


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Hentrich says:
 November 25, 2014 at 3:08 am

“Look, all you’re doing here is looking for a way to excuse yourself for being wrong about homeopathic remedies…”
 No, John, I’m asking you to supply a shred of proof to back your extraordinary claims that there have been three more cases in India than have been previously reported, and that all three of these cases were cured with homeopathy.


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Shirley Reischman says:
 November 22, 2014 at 1:50 am

I very much liked your article. Unfortunately, the trolls have been at it on WOT to discredit the page. I just wanted to let you know. You might want to send out an email asking people to use the WOT application to greenlight the site. If all the homeopaths rated it, maybe that would be enough to overcome the trolls.

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johnbenneth says:
 November 22, 2014 at 11:09 am

Thanks Shirley!
 – John
 PS: What is WOT?


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helps4hardtimes says:
 November 23, 2014 at 6:06 pm

I too would like to know what is WOT. TIA.


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johnbenneth says:
 November 23, 2014 at 8:13 pm

I think it means Wide Open Throttle.


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helps4hardtimes says:
 November 24, 2014 at 7:35 am

Grin.


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helps4hardtimes says:
 November 21, 2014 at 8:27 pm

Thanks for the opportunity to help. Just sent contribution through PayPal. Sandra Courtney


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johnbenneth says:
 November 21, 2014 at 11:23 pm

WOW! Thank you for helping, Sandra! You ARE an angel! XOXOX, John
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Benneth and other frauds sabotage the Liberian healthcare system
« Reply #77 on: November 30, 2014, 11:21:46 PM »

Fran Sheffield, who is known to be a fraud, comments in Benneth's blog, talking about other homeopaths sending homeopathic remedies to Liberia. Adds up to nothing less than mass murder.

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#HOMEOPATHY: Mystery of the Empty Ebola Beds Nov24 by johnbenneth

This is essentially an addendum to the previous blog . .

HOMEOPATHY ARRIVES IN LIBERIA, BEDS START TO EMPTY?

The first known homeopathic remedies were sent to Monrovia in Liberia by the International Emergency Management Organization (IEMO, Rome) in September, 2014; the author sent a second load in mid October. By October 19th, 2014, four homeopathically trained medical doctors, one each from the U.S., India, Switzerland and Spain, arrived in Monrovia. They were sent by the Liga Medicorum Homoeopathica Internationalis (LMHI), the International Organization of Homeopathic Physicians. On November 6th, 2014, the Washington Post announced that the number of reported Ebola cases had dropped in Liberia and Monrovia was returning to normal.

PATIENTS DISAPPEAR

On November 17th Reuters announced “Health workers in Liberia are struggling to tell whether a growing number of empty beds at Ebola treatment centres is a sign that the country’s ramped up response to the disease is working – or just a lull in the epidemic;” and as of Sunday, November 2nd, two thirds of the 696 beds in Monrovia, which in October had been overflowing, were empty!

WAS IT HOMEOPATHY?

Is this an anomaly? Is it a happenstance coincidence? History of the late century shows that in the world’s greatest hemorrhagic fever pandemic, homeopathic treatment was 20 to 30 times more effective in saving lives (detailed in the author’s white paper PDF, available in a free download EBOLA PROPHYLAXIS AND CURE 111414 update). But the coincidence of empty beds was not as it appears or what seems as it should have been. It was political.

If the purpose of a manufactured epidemic was to get the Chinese out of Western Africa and the 101st Airborne into it, how easy would it be to simply delay the homeopaths from arriving in Monrovia, before moving all the Ebola patients from JFK Hospital in Monrovia to the newly constructed treatment center put up by the U.S. Government, and if andwhen the homeopaths finally do get to Monrovia, send them to some bush hospital.

DIVERTED

The Liga team of homeopaths made their application to go to Liberia in August, long before their arrival in October. The flight to Monrovia was only half full, and many of the passengers were Chinese. When the four homeopaths did finally arrive, they were first given indoctrination in non intervention prophylaxis and then shuttled off to Ganta hospital, a five hour drive to the north. Dr. Richard Hiltner, MD had to make the trip five times back and forth from Ganta to Monrovia in order to get the proper paper work to allow the four MD’s permission to treat patients, and then when they did receive permission they were told they would not be allowed to administer homeopathy to Ebola patients.
 The empty hospital beds in Monrovia, according to Hiltner, were due to patients being moved into ad hoc facilities specificallly for intensive Ebola quarantine, put up by the U.S. Government. Hiltner believed it had nothing to do with the potential homeopathic treatment of Ebola.

However, reporters for the Daily Mail claim Hiltner spent time in the Ganta hospital alone, without supervision.

This game of playing keep away with Ebola victims from homeopathically trained medical doctors fits prevailing medicines standards of rejecting easily applied, historically proven treatments for hemorrhagic tropical fevers. According to reports such as India’s Dr. V. Krishnaamurthy’s  alleged cure of three Ebola cases e (as reported in the preceding entry of the John Benneth Journale, Krihsnaamurthy claims Ebola victims were cured within an hour with a single dose of of a venom isotope).

OUTRAGEOUS

Amidst cries for help by any means, why this obstruction of a simple cure? Could it be that the cure is so simple, so quick and so easily available that the authorities, who stand behind expensive, untried, unavailable vaccines (which the PDF illustrates must be essentially homeopathic in application to be effective) are too embarrassed to admit that pinning their hopes on a new vaccine was unjustified, and that thousands may have unnecessarily died if it proves that isotopic nuclear medicine, which have been available all along, work as reported?

Or is it something more dark? Even the most hardened pseudoskeptic, like James Randi ( the naïve would think) would join the supporting cast in this dramato cry for a test . . for from Randi’s perspective it would be a mass, bumbling trial in ineffectiveness and destroy homeopathy’s reputaation for good.

But James Randi stands to lose a million dollars of Richard Adams’ money if homeopathy is openly proven to work, due to a specious challenge to homeopathy, made as a publicity stunt, to prove itself to him. So how hard is it so see that there are other interests that don’t want homeopathy to work and don’t want it proven one way or another?

Fact of the matter is, the action and efficacy of what is essentially the use of nuclear medicine has already been proven, as the PDF download reveals.

JENE-WONDE

To contrast the mysterious empty beds in Monrovia and announcements by Liberian President Ellen Johnson Sirleaf to end the epidemic by next month, if we go deeper into the Liberian jungle we find the little community of Jene-Wonde, in Grand Cape Mount County, near the border of Sierra Leone. The little village, which has no homeopath to treat the deadly disease, and has lost 10% of its population because of it, has become Liberia’s new epicenter for Ebola. And the fever is still hitting Sierra Leone and Guinea. Within 24 hours Sierra Leone, which also lacks homeopaths, gained 40 new cases. http://www.aol.com/article/2014/11/10/liberia-village-becomes-a-new-ebola-epicenter/20991132/?icid=maing-grid7%7Chtmlws-main-bb%7Cdl3%7Csec1_lnk2%26pLid%3D560688

If this isn’t enough to establish political motives, then answer the question: If the authorities do not have their pride to lose and the Communist Chinese to keep, why isn’t Jene Wonde and other communities receiving proven medicine? Let it be known that as EBOLA PROPHYLAXIS AND CURE 111414 update spreads, there can be no real stricture by Ebola in the U.S. and other developed countries, because there’s too much ofd he antidote available.

The problem is, vis-à-vis the Nobelist Luc Montagnier and Shanghai Jiao Tong University, the Chinese have probably already been inoculated . . homeopathically.

“We are begging the government to come to our rescue,” said James Jallah Paul of Jene-Wonde. “If the government does not come to our rescue, we will finish (die) here; this place will be an empty space.”

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Bill LaChenal says:
 November 25, 2014 at 7:20 am

Not much money in a cure for a few hundred poor Africans (who don’t even have US votes).

Huge money in a scare vaccine for the West. Even if it doesn’t work. Especially if regulators and politicians can be subverted into sanctioning no-liability deals, and blanket use for the whole “herd”.

But not allowing the homeopaths to treat? That’s more like practising a religion than any medicine – fear of the unkown, accusing others of heresy, saving souls of the dead for the One True Way of pharmacy.
 I wonder if they wear special robes, say incantations over their drips, and offer blood sacrifice.

More likely, in line with human nature, money has passed hands to keep the homeopaths out – just in case they reach a 100% cure rate again, as has happened at homeopathic hospitals in past epidemics.
 Money & favors – not only in Africa but in other international & national arenas also.


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 November 25, 2014 at 5:20 am

I agree with Fran Sheffield’s assessment! Sandra


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 November 25, 2014 at 2:06 am

Yes, a lot of questions are being asked about the whole chain of events … and WHO and others are not answering them.

I think I saw in your last post (which I had to scan quickly and must go back and read it in full) that you were suggesting the incidence of Ebola virus disease (EVD) may have lessened in Liberia because, for several months, homeopaths were sending the most likely treatment and prophylactic remedies into the country? I would suggest that that this suggestion is as likely an explanation as any other for the reported decrease in infections. I too know of other homeopaths who, one way or another, have been organising shipments and deliveries of remedies into the country.

The decline an epidemic through homeopathy could well have historical precedences – something that has been suggested over the years. The strongest potential evidence is the decline of the great world epidemics. While improved diet, health habits and sanitation certainly played a role, these epidemics also died out in third world countries where improvements such as these had not taken place. The thing they all had in common though was that medical and lay homeopaths were distributing treatment and prophylactic remedies in the thousands if not millions to those affected. One only has to read the government, hospital and medical reports of the time to see what was being done and to know they were effective.

When it is considered that homeopathic remedies are believed to have epigenetic influences, and to strengthen the genetic material delivered to future off-spring, it is conceivable that many given homeopathic remedies during the great epidemics, either for treatment of prophylaxis, acquired a resistance that was then passed on the next generation, further leading to the demise of these diseases.

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An Italian time bomb sent to Liberia?
« Reply #78 on: December 01, 2014, 12:13:09 AM »

The Benneth notes on the Italians sending 3 kilograms of water to Liberia sound wacky. How could Italians be that mad? But Google has some corresponding notes on other and independent web-sites.

http://www.thenewdawnliberia.com/index.php?option=com_content&view=article&id=12573:more-experimental-ebola-drugs-arrive&catid=46:health&Itemid=60

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Friday, 05 September 2014 04:44  ND Reporter

As part of ongoing efforts to contain the deadly Ebola Virus, the Government of Liberia has announced the arrival of an additional dosage of the experimental homeopathic drug in the country.

A Foreign Ministry release says a 3 kg package of experimental remedy containing sufficient doses for 30 infected persons in the treatment of Ebola arrived here from the International Emergency Management Organization (IEMO) in Italy.

The release says the arrival of the drug followed about two weeks of telephone conversational exchanges between Liberia’s Foreign Minister, Augustine Ngafuan and the Rome-based office of IEMO.

The IEMO says the consignment is an aqueous alternative medicine that promotes homeopathic cure with no side effect.

IEMO President, Dr. Alessandro Manini, in a phone conversation last Friday with Foreign Minister Ngafuan intimated that once the effectiveness of the remedy is confirmed by the Ministry of Health, his organization is ready to supply more at no cost to Liberia.

Meanwhile, Dr. Manini has lauded President Ellen Johnson Sirleaf and her Government for the efforts thus far to curb the Ebola virus, and pledged the full support of the IEMO and his personal commitment to the people of Liberia during this difficult period in arresting the spread of the virus.

He then expressed sympathy to families affected by the virus and promised his organization’s unflinching support to containing the outbreak. In furtherance of IEMO’s support to Liberia, Dr. Manini said he is planning a solidarity and assessment mission here in October.

In response, Foreign Minister Ngafuan, on behalf of President Sirleaf, the Government and People of Liberia, thanked Dr. Manini and the International Emergency Management Organization, for the timely intervention.

He affirmed Liberia’s support to the work of the IEMO and welcomed the decision of Dr. Manini to visit Liberia in October, intimating that the people of Liberia will be very happy to receive him, considering the assistance of his organization at this critical time.

Already, the Center for Disease Control of the United States has brought into the country the experimental Zmapp drug, which has been used on two doctors, but reportedly they did not survive.
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Smells like a press release. Other newspapers have a very similar text. So the base is a press release. No problem finding it.



http://www.mofa.gov.lr/public2/2press.php?news_id=1269&related=7&pg=sp

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Additional Experimental Drugs Arrive In Liberia

 As part of intense ongoing efforts by the Government of Liberia to curb the Ebola virus, an additional dosage of experimental homeopathic drug for the virus has arrived in Liberia.

 A Foreign Ministry release says a 3 kg package of experimental remedy containing sufficient doses for 30 infected persons in the treatment of Ebola arrived in the country from the International Emergency Management Organization (IEMO) in Italy.

 The arrival of the drug followed about two weeks of telephone conversational exchanges between Liberia’s Foreign Minister, Augustine Kpehe Ngafuan and the Rome-based office of IEMO.

 According to the IEMO, this remedy is an aqueous alternative medicine that promotes homeopathic cure with no side effect.

 Dr. Alessandro Manini, President of IEMO in a phone conversation last Friday with Foreign Minister Ngafuan intimated that once the effectiveness of the remedy is confirmed by the Ministry of Health, his organization will supply additional drugs at no cost to Liberia.

 Meanwhile, Dr. Manini lauded the Liberian Leader, Her Excellency, President Ellen Johnson Sirleaf and her Government for the efforts thus far to curb the Ebola virus, and pledged the fullest support of the IEMO and his personal commitment to the people of Liberia during this difficult period in arresting the spread of the Ebola Virus.

 The Chief Executive of IEMO then expressed sympathy to families affected by the virus and promised his organization’s unflinching support to contain the outbreak.

 In furtherance of IEMO’s support to Liberia, Dr. Manini said he is planning a solidarity and assessment mission to Liberia in October this year.

 In response, Foreign Minister Ngafuan on behalf of Her Excellency President Ellen Johnson Sirleaf, the Government and People of Liberia, thanked Dr. Manini and the International Emergency Management Organization, for the timely intervention by the provision of the experimental remedy and the attention shown Liberia at this crucial time. He affirmed Liberia’s support to the work of the IEMO and welcomed the decision of Dr. Manini to visit Liberia in October, intimating that the people of Liberia will be very happy to receive him considering the assistance of his organization at this critical time.
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Incredible. Insane. to say the least. At that time the WHO already had warned about alternative treatments to be hazardous. But what could the WHO do when Liberian officials sabotage their own health care system?











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Re: Homöopathen ohne Grenzen gehen nach Liberia und Sierra Leone!
« Reply #79 on: December 01, 2014, 12:25:42 AM »

One more copy of the press release about "experimental drugs". But this time we can an insight of more aid donations, i.e. from Kuwait. Kuwait does a good job.

http://news.analystliberia.com/index.php/news/274-district-16-launches-task-dfrce-against-ebola?start=180

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District #16 Launches Task Force Against Ebola
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Written by Anthony Q. Jiffan, Jr.
2 months 3 weeks ago

The residents of Montserrado County District #16 have finally launched its task force against the deadly Ebola virus disease in the country. The event which took place Wednesday brought together all the leaders of the 21 communities in the District, including all of the reputable groupings, motorcyclists, religious leaders, and some eminent citizens. Speaking at the launching ceremony in New Kru town, the group said that it is ready to battle the virus in line with the government of Liberia.

The head of the task force, Mr. Barcus Karpeh, said the government has agreed to give the D. Twe High School in New Krutown to be used as observation center and the island hospital in St. Paul Bridge for treatment center. Mr. Karpeh further disclosed that three jeeps made available by Hon. Dixon Seeboe, Bishop P. Mannesah Conto and Mr. Harrison Togba of the Borough of New Krutown to be used by the task force.

At the same time, the president of the Federation of Borough Youth (FOBY), Mr. Sonsala C. Parson told The Analyst that a list of people that are affected with the virus has been presented to government through the health ministry to ensure that those carriers of the virus will be treated to ensure the containment of the disease. He said the contact-tracing team has already started its operation while the follow-up, spraying and burial teams are waiting for the opening of the center and training from the government to start operation.

Meanwhile, Mr. Parsons said the youth are in gear to eradicate the Ebola virus from the borough which will indeed help the government to control the rapid spread of the epidemic. He added that every effort to drive Ebola out of the district has been made by the residents and is awaiting the intervention of government to back up the local work. Parson then added that the leaders and citizens are happy to work with the task force in the fight against the deadly and incurable disease in the country.

Local Church Holds Anti-Ebola Prayer Service

The ‘Come Unto Me’ Children Ministry International, a local church ministry based in the West Point Community has sealed up a weeklong fast and prayer to invoke God’s divine intervention in the fight against the Ebola virus in Liberia. The weeklong fast and prayer service, according to the founder of the ministry, Elder Daniel Sarfo-Gakpetor, will provide the opportunity for that children ministry to stand in the gab to seek the blessings of the Almighty to have mercy and eradicate the virus from the country.

Rev. Sarfo-Gakpetor said it was time that the church embarks on intercession for the country in a continuous prayer time with God in the wake of the outbreak of the virus if God is to pull down His blessings on the people of Liberia to wipe it away. He said the virus has claimed more lives and was still determined in claiming more lives, but could be prevented by the grace of God through regular prayer services in every church and community across Liberia.

The weeklong fast and prayer which is drawn from the text Psalm 8:2 with the theme ‘Out of the mouth of babies and infants God’s designate power” had in attendance children from five to twelve years seeking the power of God to fight against the virus. The fast and prayer will end with the children carrying placards with inscriptions such as ‘What can take away Ebola from Liberia? Jesus! Liberia is covered with the Blood of Jesus among others, to climax the event.

Additional Experimental Drugs Arrive in Liberia

As part of intense ongoing efforts by the Government of Liberia to curb the Ebola virus, an additional dosage of the experimental homeopathic drug for the virus has arrived in Liberia.

A Foreign Ministry release says a 3 kg package of experimental remedy containing sufficient doses for 30 infected persons in the treatment of Ebola arrived in the country from the International Emergency Management Organization (IEMO) in Italy. The arrival of the drug followed about two weeks of telephone conversational exchanges between Liberia’s Foreign Minister, Augustine Kpehe Ngafuan and the Rome-based office of IEMO.

According to the IEMO, this remedy is an aqueous alternative medicine that promotes homeopathic cure with no side effect. Dr. Alessandro Manini, President of IEMO in a phone conversation last Friday with Foreign Minister Ngafuan intimated that once the effectiveness of the remedy is confirmed by the Ministry of Health, his organization will supply additional drugs at no cost to Liberia.

Meanwhile, Dr. Manini lauded the Liberian Leader, Her Excellency, President Ellen Johnson Sirleaf and her Government for the efforts thus far to curb the Ebola virus, and pledged the full support of the IEMO and his personal commitment to the people of Liberia during this difficult period in arresting the spread of the Ebola Virus. The Chief Executive of IEMO then expressed sympathy to families affected by the virus and promised his organization’s unflinching support to contain the outbreak. In furtherance of IEMO’s support to Liberia, Dr. Manini said he is planning a solidarity and assessment mission to Liberia in October this year.

In response, Foreign Minister Ngafuan on behalf of Her Excellency President Ellen Johnson Sirleaf, the Government and People of Liberia, thanked Dr. Manini and the International Emergency Management Organization, for the timely intervention by the provision of the experimental remedy and the attention shown Liberia at this crucial time. He affirmed Liberia’s support to the work of the IEMO and welcomed the decision of Dr. Manini to visit Liberia in October, intimating that the people of Liberia will be very happy to receive him, considering the assistance of his organization at this critical time.

Liberian Embassy In Kuwait Dispatches Medical Items to Liberia

Seven boxes of assorted medical items donated by Dr. Sana Rashed Al Fadala, Chairman and CEO of Taiba Hospital and IMS arrived in the country on September 2, 2014 to bolster Government’s effort in the fight against the deadly Ebola virus. The items were donated at the initiative of Liberian Ambassador accredited to Kuwait, H.E. Konah K. Blackett.

These medical items include, Non Woven Surgical Face Mask-Ear loops, Non Woven Surgical Face Mask-Ties, Disposable N 95 Face Masks, Medical Gloves powdered, Medical Gloves powdered X-, Medical Gloves powder free X-small and Alcohol swab pad. According to a dispatch from the Liberian Embassy in Kuwait, His Excellency Ambassador Konah K. Blackett also stated that more supplies negotiated with him are to follow soon.

In another development, the Government of Kuwait has made a contribution of US$5M to the World Health Organization (WHO) to assist the West Africa sub-region in the fight against the deadly Ebola epidemic, stated the dispatch. The Liberian Embassy near Kuwait City, expressed gratitude to the Kuwaiti donors of these essential items.

 

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A big donation by Italy? Really?
« Reply #80 on: December 01, 2014, 12:40:13 AM »

Italy does send valuable aid, so by sending a lab and personnel. But somewhere in that large mass of useful items is injected a 3 kilograms box containing sugar water.

http://hintsnewsnetwork.com/?p=4046

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Ebola Cases Near 16,000, Sierra Leone to Overtake Liberia....

ITALY MAKES BIG DONATION TO LIBERIA’S EBOLA FIGHT
Posted by HNNW on September 8, 2014 in LATEST NEWS
Italian President Giorgio Napolitano

The Government of Italy has begun enhancing the Liberian Government’s fight against the Ebola virus through several assistance packages to include the dispatching of a mobile laboratory team, additional dispatching of homeopathic Ebola treatment drugs and food.

A Foreign Ministry release discloses that the aid packages followed a series of diplomatic efforts between the Liberian Ambassador to Italy, Ambassador Mohamed Sheriff and the Italian Government and other multinational organizations in that European nation.

According to the release, the National Institute for Infectious Disease “Lazzaro Spollanzani” (IRCCS) of Italy in collaboration with the Italian Ministry of Foreign Affairs and Cooperation disclosed the dispatching of a mobile laboratory team to the MSF Treatment Center in Foya, Lofa County, the epicenter of the deadly Ebola disease.   The release further adds that the team of four member medical experts being headed by Dr. Antonino Dicaro, the Director of the Microbiology Laboratory and Infectious Disease Biorepository arrived in the country Friday, September 5, 2014 and was received upon arrival by the Foreign Ministry Protocol Officers. Other members of the team include Dr. Frances Colavita, Dr. Angela Cannas, and Ms. Serena Quartu, (a laboratory technician).

The release further discloses that a box containing some homeopathic Ebola treatment drugs has been sent to the Liberian Embassy in Rome, Italy by Dr. Alessandra Manini of the International Emergency Management Organization for onward transmission to the Liberian Health Minister, Dr. Walter Gwenigale.

At the same time, the World Food Program (WFP) in Rome has stepped up the Emergency Assistance and Logistical Support in the fight against the deadly Ebola epidemic in Liberia which has been delivered for quarantined communities in Bomi, Bong, Cape Mount, Grand Bassa, Lofa, Margibi, Montserrado, Nimba and RiverCess Counties for about 39,000 affected persons including 13,500 people in West Point and Dolo’s Town respectively, the release noted.

More than 71 metric tons of food have been delivered to the country’s various health teams in eight counties including Bomi, bong, Cape Mount, Grand Bassa, Lofa, Margibi, Nimba and RiverCess for distribution to some 4,600 people in holding and isolation centers, the Foreign Ministry says. The distribution in West Point and the Dolo’s Town area are continuing and should cover approximately 57,000 people when completed.

Additionally, the International Fund for Agricultural Development (IFAD) in Rome, Italy has also responded warmly to the Liberian Embassy’s request for support to the Government of Liberia and will soon be making pronouncement as it relates to its assistance to Liberia.

According to the dispatch from the Liberian Embassy in Rome, the humanitarian assistance from the Sovereign Orders of MC (SMOM) in Rome is expected in Liberia soon for a humanitarian mission in the country.


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The Italian donation uncovered as a fraud. Ouch!
« Reply #81 on: December 01, 2014, 01:01:34 AM »

A blog in Italian with many embedded links has a rather different point of view. It contrasts the official statements and fits with John R. Benneth's claims. Well, it does not say Benneth is right. It  puts one fraud aside of an other fraud.

https://oggiscienza.wordpress.com/2014/10/31/il-regalo-dellambasciatore/

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Un rimedio omeopatico sperimentale contro l'Ebola: un regalo alla Liberia da un'organizzazione italiana

Posted on 31 ottobre 2014 by Sylvie Coyaud in IL PARCO DELLE BUFALE // 4 Comments


IL PARCO DELLE BUFALE – Una doppia organizzazione internazionale di Novara ha regalato alla Liberia un rimedio omeopatico da sperimentare su 30 pazienti infettati con Ebola. In caso di efficacia, ne regalerà altri litri, con la benedizione del Parlamento Mondiale degli Stati per la Pace e la Sicurezza.

A Monrovia, in settembre, il Ministero degli Esteri di Freetown faceva sapere che:

un pacco di tre chili del rimedio omeopatico sperimentale, contenente dosi sufficienti per il trattamento di 30 persone infette da Ebola, è arrivato in Liberia dall’International Emergency Management Organization (IEMO) in Italia. L’arrivo del farmaco ha fatto seguito a due settimane di conversazioni telefoniche tra il Ministro degli Esteri, Augustine Kpehe Ngafuan, e la sede romana dell’IEMO. Secondo l’IEMO, il rimedio è una medicina alternativa acquosa … priva di effetti collaterali.

In una conversazione telefonica con il Ministro venerdì scorso, il dott. Alessandro Marini, presidente dell’IEMO, ha lasciato capire che quando l’efficacia del farmaco sarà confermata dal Ministero della Sanità, la sua organizzazione lo fornirà gratuitamente alla Liberia. (…) Per concretizzare il sostegno dell’IEMO, il dott. Manini ha detto che sta pianificando una missione di solidarietà e valutazione in ottobre.

Le Ong internazionali sentite dalla custode non hanno mai sentito nominare l’IEMO né il consociato Collaborative Inter-Government Scientific Research Institute né il dott. Marini, presidente di entrambi. Dal programma di una conferenza organizzata nel 2002 da un’associazione della polizia investigativa però, il dott. Manini risulta “Ambasciatore at Large” in Sierra Leone del Parlamento Mondiale degli Stati per la Sicurezza e la Pace.

Soggetto a dissapori tra i membri del Consiglio Supremo acuiti dalla morte del fondatore (1), tale Parlamento è un’iniziativa palermitana gestita da due investigatori. Esso stampa passaporti diplomatici, diplomi e titoli nobiliari di fantasia, per parenti, amici e parlamentari italiani e stranieri, tra i quali ex capi di Stato vivi o morti, e ministri in funzione o meno, sulla cui integrità le Nazioni Unite e Wikipedia parleranno solo in presenza dei propri avvocati.

Si ignora quale laurea o dottorato abbia acquisito l’Ambasciatore Manini, ma tra gli Enti autorizzati a stamparli dal Parlamento spiccano prestigiosi centri di cura e studi avanzati quali l’irreperibile Alternative Medicines Research Institute e l’Institute of Wellness Studies chiuso nel 2007. La loro non agibilità spiegherebbe come mai  l’acqua sperimentale  andasse provata in Liberia. La custode attende il rientro dell’Ambasciatore Manini a Novara – dov’è noto per militare a favore di alcuni alberi e contro un pozzo di petrolio – per chiedergli l’esito del trial clinico e della sua missione.

(1) Vittorio Maria Busa (Palermo 1941-2013),in arte “Sua Beatitudine Monsignor Viktor Ivan Busà, metropolita e arcivescovo di Bialystok, presidente della Repubblica di Danzica e della Repubblica democratica di Bielorussia, Grande Khan di Tartaria e Mongolia Viktor Timur II”.

Pubblicato con licenza Creative Commons Attribuzione-Non opere derivate 2.5 Italia.   

Crediti immagine: Vittorio Busa, foto ufficiale
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A homeopathic remedy against experimental Ebola: a gift from an Italian organization to Liberia

Posted on October 31, 2014 by Sylvie Coyaud in THE PARK OF BUFFALO // 4 Comments


THE PARK OF BUFFALO - A double international organization of Novara gave Liberia a homeopathic remedy to experiment on 30 patients infected with Ebola. If effective, it will give more liters, with the blessing of the International States Parliament for Peace and Security.

In Monrovia, in September, the Foreign Ministry in Freetown did you know that:

a pack of three pounds of experimental homeopathic remedy containing doses sufficient to treat 30 people infected with Ebola, arrived in Liberia by the International Emergency Management Organization (IEMO) in Italy. The arrival of the drug was followed by two weeks of phone conversations between Foreign Minister, Augustine Kpehe Ngafuan, and the Roman See dell'IEMO. According IEMO, the remedy is an alternative medicine aqueous ... without side effects.

In a telephone conversation with the Minister last Friday, Dr. Alessandro Marini, President dell'IEMO, has hinted that when the drug's effectiveness is confirmed by the Ministry of Health, his organization will provide it free to Liberia. (...) To realize the support dell'IEMO, Dr. Manini said it is planning a mission of solidarity and evaluation in October.

International NGOs heard by the custodian have never heard of the IEMO nor sister Collaborative Inter-Government Scientific Research Institute nor Dr. Marini, president of both. The program of a conference organized in 2002 by a group of police investigation, however, Dr. Manini is "Ambassador at Large" in Sierra Leone of the International States Parliament for Safety and Peace.

Subject to disagreements between the members of the Supreme Council exacerbated by the death of the founder (1), that Parliament is an initiative Palermo managed by two investigators. It prints diplomatic passports, diplomas and noble titles of fantasy, to relatives, friends and parliamentary Italians and foreigners, including former heads of state alive or dead, and ministers running or not, the integrity of which the United Nations and Wikipedia talk only in the presence of their lawyers.

It ignores what degree or doctorate has acquired Ambassador Manini, but among the organizations authorized to print them by Parliament stand prestigious centers of care and advanced studies such as untraceable Alternative Medicines Research Institute and the Institute of Wellness Studies closed in 2007. The their practicability not explain why the water went proven experimentally in Liberia. The keeper waits for the return of the Ambassador Manini in Novara - where is known for military in favor of some trees and against an oil well - ask for the outcome of the clinical trial and its mission.

(1) Vittorio Maria Busa (Palermo 1941-2013), aka "His Beatitude Archbishop Viktor Ivan Busà, and Metropolitan Archbishop of Bialystok, president of the Free City of Danzig and the Democratic Republic of Belarus, the Great Khan of Tartary and Mongolia Viktor Timur II ".

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Image credits: Vittorio Busa, official photos
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Anyone for a better translation, please? The Spanish miracle diploma mill with its fake titles got a companion in Italy. Impostors all the way:Impostors in the USA, impostors in Spain, impostors in Italy.

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« Reply #82 on: December 05, 2014, 03:10:36 PM »

President issued a brutal ban: public gatherings are verboten!

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The NEWS (Monrovia)
5 December 2014
Liberia: Mass Gathering Banned

President Ellen Johnson-Sirleaf has issued Executive Order No. 65 ordering all concerted mass movements of people on the streets of Monrovia during the ensuing special elections, including in particular rallies, demonstrations and parades prohibited and for 30 days after the announcement of election results.
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more:
http://allafrica.com/stories/201412051517.html


She should have done such already more than a year ago.
She should have banned homeopaths and other frauds.

She did not. How many citizens paid with their lives for that negligence?
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« Reply #83 on: December 07, 2014, 06:05:20 PM »

In Leipzig scheint es hinter den zugezogenen Gardinen nicht immer still und klar zu sein. Eher scheint klar zu sein, daß da gar nichts klar ist. Und still zu sein ist nur gar nicht klar, nein, nicht still muß man sein, obwohl man lieber still sein möchte. Aber es ist zu spät... 

Und dann kommt, spät, aber es ist schon zu spät, selbst zu spät um noch zu spät zu sein, sowas von zu spät, ein Lebenszeichen an die Welt, daß man lebt und daß die vier Doktors leben.

Ich fass es nicht! Erstens sind die Doktors wurscht. Die Patienten interessieren. Haben die überlebt? Zweitens ist in der - in der so voll peinlichen Situation beamtendeutsch rausgequetschten - Verlautbarung ein krass vollklokker Hammer, da werden sich ein paar Gurken in der Provinz die Windschutzscheiben putzen müssen. Was ihnen da entgegenfliegt, ist mit Gottes Wille der König Willi Unwirsch...

Das ist der Klotz des Umstosses. Nun ratet mal schön.  8)

http://www.freunde-liberias.de/de/blog/entry/3-ärzteteam-für-ganta-hospital/2014/11/23/12-alle-4-ärzte-sind-wohlauf

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Alle 4 Ärzte sind wohlauf
 
Veröffentlicht  von Thomas  am Sonntag, 23 November 2014  in Ärzteteam für Ganta Hospital

Wir freuen uns, dass alle 4 Ärzte mittlerweile wohlbehalten in ihre jeweiligen Heimatländer zurück gekehrt sind. Die Arbeit im Ganta Hospital muss nach den Schilderungen des Teams sehr spannend aber auch sehr erfolgreich gewesen sein. Uns hat ein emotionales Dankesschreiben der Klinikleitung erreicht, in welchem den Ärzten für ihre Hilfe herzlich gedankt wurde. Offensichtlich war man positiv überrascht, dass neben der schulmedizinischen Hilfe auch die bislang im Ganta Hospital unbekannte homöopathische Behandlungsmethode sehr erfolgreich war. Die Klinikleitung brachte zum Ausdruck, dass ein Folgeteam sehr willkommen sei. Nach Auskunft des LMHI steht derzeit ein weiteres Ärzteteam für seinen Einsatz in Liberia bereit.
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Als kleine Hilfe habe ich die Spitze des Eisbergs markiert. Wie der Eisberg unter der Wasserlinie ausschaut, das wird eine wahre Freude...  :P


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« Reply #84 on: December 08, 2014, 02:12:13 PM »

Die Spannung steigt.

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« Reply #85 on: December 09, 2014, 10:20:48 AM »

Debby Bruck seems to be deeply involved in making big bucks by pushing homeopathy, recklessly denying facts and pushing and spreading lies.

We know her already. She published the email by Ortrud Lindemann:

http://transgallaxys.com/~kanzlerzwo/index.php?topic=8275.msg19254#msg19254

Debby Bruck appears to have done it again, this time with an email by Richard Hiltner, the astrology numb-nickel of the gang of four:

http://homeopathyworldcommunity.ning.com/forum/topics/ebola-and-the-vanishing-homeopaths?page=1&commentId=3101571%3AComment%3A282898&x=1#3101571Comment282898

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Where is the homeopathic work force that is going to Africa to fight the Ebola epidemic.  I have heard of no one who is going although some write that within the books there are remedies that can be used.  I am appalled that the community is letting this opportunity to put Homeopathy into the news is being foregone and that sufferers in an epidemic not being served.  No one has stepped up to the plate.

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Permalink Reply by Ranga Sai on August 21, 2014 at 12:02am

    Apalling in deed.

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Permalink Reply by Dr. Wequar Ali Khan on September 15, 2014 at 11:28am

    This is where homeopathy is weak,and for reason not understood. But one thing that may be the cause is financial implications. Only few have dared. Jeremy is one working on AIDS. We need more the likes of Jeremy.

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Permalink Reply by Madeleine Innocent on October 24, 2014 at 8:50pm

    Three people are critical but none have volunteered to go themselves...

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    paulherscuepidemics.blogspot.com/2014/10/ebolavirus-2014-outbreak_2...
    THURSDAY, OCTOBER 23, 2014 From Dr Herscu
    Ebolavirus 2014 Outbreak - #3

    Ebolavirus 2014 Outbreak
    October 16, 2014 Update #3
    Paul Herscu, ND, DHANP, MPH
    Herscu Laboratory
    DON’T PANIC!
    When you turn on the news just now, there is a great deal of media attention on the Ebolavirus outbreak. And as importantly, there is a sort of hysteria in the general public, as well as in the healthcare community, including those in CAM. In this recent Kaiser poll about half of all Americans believe their family is at risk of contracting Ebola. ( http://tinyurl.com/ol6xr57)
    Let me say here clearly, that unless something unusual occurs such as 1) a change in the transmission mode, as in it becoming airborne (which is a difficult thing to happen and despite what some at CDC and in the government have said, has absolutely NOT happened. Ebolavirus has not become airborne. They are wrong here, but will explain their mistake in the next post), 2) a change in vectors, as in animals that have yet to transmit to humans, and/or 3) a change in incubation time, as in a lengthening of incubation time while still being contagious (which both may be difficult to occur at the same time), there will NOT be an epidemic in the USA, in North America, or in Europe. Nor will there be a greatly widening epidemic within Africa itself. And as shocking as it seems to you just now, the average person will hardly, sadly, think about it by the end of the year. I have tried to say this in a variety of ways, but I thought I would say it again here. In essence people are worrying about the wrong thing, the wrong epidemic, the wrong focus. I hope that by reading these communiqués, you will be better prepared to handle the media, assess the information you hear, and not become overly anxious because of hyped up media offerings. As promised, I wanted to discuss treatments that occur at this time.

    As mentioned in the first post, aside from treatment aimed at supportive care, we have at least two major pathways for treatment—antivirals and plasma products. While no drug is yet approved, there are a host of medications being tested.

    Emerging treatments
    As predicted, a great deal of media has shifted to reporting on any number of antiviral drugs tested for the treatment of Ebolavirus Disease. It is not going to be just the antiviral medication that make sense but, ‘as long as we have drugs, let’s try any of them, and see what success might be had.’ There has been a plethora of articles on this topic already, using a variety of existing drugs. Here are some highlights:
    Interferon is currently thought to help slow down but not change mortality rate, but new research may show that earlier use might help there. It is just in the last month that a mechanism of action helps us understand why Interferon may be helpful as part of a regimen for Ebolavirus Disease.
    http://jid.oxfordjournals.org/content/early/2012/12/19/infdis.jis921
    http://www.cell.com/cell-host-microbe/pdf/S1931-3128(14)00263-7.pdf
     
    Lamivudine, by GlaxoSmithKline, is an antiretroviral used for HIV and Hepatitis B patients. Specifically, it is a reverse-transcriptase inhibitor, which is the enzyme that helps make the cDNA complementary DNA, off of a RNA template. Retroviruses need to do this reverse transcription to replicate and therefore if you inhibit this process, you slow down replication.
    http://www.cnn.com/2014/09/27/health/ebola-hiv-drug/
    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lamivudine
     
    Brincidofovir, made by Chimerix, originally designed for other viruses such as cytomegalovirus is in the experimental stage for Ebolavirus Disease treatment as well. As you may have heard the patient Thomas Eric Duncan, in Dallas, was treated with this medication died, but that does not necessarily mean that the drug is a failure as that particular patient may have been too far progressed in the disease. In short, it is too early to tell, but I suspect this drug is going to be used to treat some virus in the future.
     
    TKM-Ebola, by Tekmira Pharmaceuticals, is a combination of Small or Short, or Silencing interfering RNA (siRNA), aiming at 3 of the 7 proteins in Ebolavirus. siRNA are double stranded RNA molecules with a length of 20-25 base pairs. Primarily interesting in that they cause RNA interference by stopping expression of specific genes with complementary nucleotide sequences, making mRNA break after transcription, so no translation. So in a way, we are giving the virus a virus. Oddly interesting.
     
    BCX4430 made by BioCryst Pharmaceuticals was tried originally for Hepatitis C, but more recently has been used for Ebolavirus. BCX4430 is a viral Nucleoside RNA-dependent RNA polymerase (RdRp) inhibitor, which gets metabolized to a nucleotide form, binding to viral enzyme active sites, becoming part of the viral RNA which prematurely shortens the RNA, stopping efficient replication.
    http://globalbiodefense.com/2014/03/03/broad-spectrum-antiviral-eff...
     
    ZMapp, by Mapp Biopharmaceutical, is a combination of 3 monoclonal antibodies, essentially created by exposing mice to a part of the Ebola virus and then waiting for a reaction to occur, harvesting the antibodies, and injecting into patient, with hopes that the antibodies attach to the Ebolavirus.  This drug works on passive immunity by attaching to the virus, so the virus cannot attach to the human cell receptor, so it does not enter the cell, and secondly it is easier to recognize the bound virus antibody and the body is able to get rid of it.
     
    Budding drugs. Oddly, any drug that may impact budding off of the new virion may stop the spread of the virus within the individual. Here there are numerous potential drugs, many will likely be tried. And here the main target is VP40. Below are 3 articles on this target and the potential of using chemotherapeutic agents, like leukemia drugs. 
    http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/24283270
    http://www.rnw.nl/africa/bulletin/cancer-drugs-could-halt-ebola-virus
    http://jvi.asm.org/content/79/8/4709.full
    The most interesting and common treatment though, is the one that is most intuitive, and perhaps I should have mentioned first. Only a minority of people exposed to Ebolavirus contract Ebolavirus Disease, and of those that contract the disease, around half survive. That half that survived fought the disease, and when looking at their blood we can see the effects of that fight. To a certain extent you can think of that blood as rich in the ability to recognize/alert the immune system to fight Ebolavirus successfully. As a result, using other people’s blood makes sense. In fact that is the concept behind using Fresh Frozen Plasma (FFP) as a therapeutic intervention, technically called Human Convalescent Plasma (HCP), which is what you hear when it is reported that a patient has received a survivor’s blood. In fact, using FFP is a common enough treatment for a variety of diseases that are immune mediated but do not have a specific treatment. So with that in mind, it makes sense why some of the treatments above are considered. They are in one way or another trying to mimic our own immune system, to trick the system to act as if it was previously exposed and can easily recognize Ebolavirus. Also, with that in mind, it should be easy to predict how other treatments will develop.
    For example, beside human-derived plasma, hyperimmune equine immunoglobulin G (IgG) has been used as another example of passive immunity. And in one episode, in Russia, goat-derived anti-Ebola immunoglobulin plus interferon was given to individuals exposed to Ebolavirus and all survived.
    In one way or another the best forms of treatment are going to be ones than mimic nature, which is the main point I will come to in another letter. Here I think giving the virus a virus is how to deal with the Ebolavirus itself, and for us to also think of the terrain, the human host, and mimic what it is supposed to do already, give it passive immunity, as in the above examples, help the virus be recognized by the immune system.
    PREVENTION IS STILL THE KEY
    Prevention, and good prevention, is the main focus, and should stay the main focus for everyone. If it is, then no one reading this post, except the folks at CDC and the facilities treating the ill will be exposed to someone who has EVD. And if it goes badly, really badly and out of control, then in the developed world, we are still talking about a nominal few becoming ill and dying, as in less than a 1,000. The reason I am giving a number is that really, in the best case there will be much less than 50 in our whole continent. However this year, even in the best case, in the next few months, 30,000 people are going to die of influenza, and that is not even mentioning other epidemics that are currently in play. I am just trying to keep everyone’s focus where it should be. For those in the CAM world, it is still the wrong question to be asking about the treatment. Absolutely the wrong focus. Prevention needs to be the main focus. Prevention makes this episode become a non-event in the developed world. Prevention helps limit the spread, contain the outbreak, and end this disaster in Western Africa.
    Turn off your TV
    As an aside, when I was younger, during the times of the black power movement in the USA, there was a song written by Gil Scott-Heron named, “The Revolution Will Not Be Televised”. It was about the times when social order changes and how during those times the biggest changes will shift what is ‘commercially acceptable’, what sells newspapers and what glues eyes to the TV screen, and therefore those things will not be televised. Well, I think he might have gotten it partially right and partially wrong. I think closer was Elvis Costello writing the song Invasion Hit Parade: “Incidentally the revolution will be televised, with one head for business and another for good looks, until they started arriving with their rubber aprons.”
    The good things about the media coverage, in no particular order:
     
    More people around the world have heard of a disease that is somewhat endemic to a region and kills people and other species.
    That media coverage allows for more money to be spent on research and treatment and hopefully on the prevention of spreading of the disease.
    As they say, a disaster is a great opportunity to fix chronic problems. As a result, it is conceivable that the extra funds moving into Western Africa may help develop a much improved infrastructure and health care system, long overdue.
    All the money being spent on viral pathways, antiviral prevention and treatment will definitely migrate to other viral infections, both acute and chronic. Just as the space program gave us technology that we all use every day, so will our understanding of viruses improve with the media coverage shifting funds towards research.
    And the panic caused by the media coverage should translate to more funds in medical research in general.
    Because of all of these things, then well, yes, we are seeing that the revolution is being televised is a good thing.
    The bad things about the media coverage, in no particular order:
     
    Ultimately, most people are not aware of what the real issues are. No matter how many times it is said, most do not understand that in fact, the virus is not like the flu, does not pass easily that way, and that ultimately you have to have actual contact with an ill person’s bodily fluids to become ill.
    What is not being explained clearly enough is that the health care structure is such, in the developed world, that when someone falls ill, there are processes in place that will absolutely limit the spread. Can those processes be improved upon? Yes, but will we see in the UK, or the US or France the sort of spread that we see in Liberia? Absolutely not. It is not a medical issue, again. It is an economic one. If we include sunk costs, we spend many millions of dollars into every American who develops Ebolavirus disease. And we continue doing that. That is why unless the virus changes in a drastic fashion, the epidemic that people fear will not arrive here.
    It appears as though the media can only focus on one sensational virus at a time. Even though, as we speak, there are several virus outbreaks that gather no attention, there is HIV that kills so many. There is influenza that kills tens of thousand of people every year, and other viral infections that are present as I write this. My worry, and the worry of many in public health is as follows. When the Ebolavirus epidemic does not develop in developed countries, and as we run into November and December and the epidemic is contained in Western Africa, people will forget about viruses. Governments will stop funding prevention and surveillance, and treatment programs. And then we will have to wait for the next sensational news to continue the innovative and essential work necessary to prevent these events.
    In short, DON’T PANIC. This news will pass you in the next months. Your anxiety will pass. The media will move on to the next sensation. However, to help this along and to help the common good, donate to health agencies, stay informed, donate your time, communities in the developed world can partner with developing world communities to help them encourage health care infrastructure that is needed for this and many other reasons.
    http://www.cnn.com/2014/09/25/health/reporter-notebook-cohen-ebola-...
    Here is one site that seems interesting
    http://lastmilehealth.org/
    In the next update, I want to highlight the threats and nightmares that I described before, and see how those have developed in the news, and I think that by describing those specifically, you will see why you should balance appropriate worry with appropriate action.
    In health,
    Paul Herscu, ND, DHANP, MPH

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Reply by Debby Bruck on November 30, 2014 at 9:31pm

    UPDATE NOVEMBER 30, 2014

    RICHARD HILTNER SENDS MESSAGE ABOUT TRIP TO LIBERIA

    Well, it’s been three weeks since I arrived back from Liberia. Things are going well here.   All of my team colleagues are also doing very well. I feel fine and trying to catch up on my work. I wish also to thank very much Karl Robinson for his volunteering to go to Liberia in the next team.

    I wish to especially thank my dear friends and colleagues of the Ebola project team: Ortrud Lindemann (Barcelona, Spain), Medha Durge (India) and Ed Broussalian (Switzerland).  I learned a great deal from them and saw how deeply their warm hearts wish  to ease the pain of people not only with the Ebola virus but also the patients  in the Ganta  hospital.

    Much thanks to Renzo Galassi, president of the LMHI

    (LIGA)  (International Homeopathic Medical League), whose enthusiasm and warm heart and organizational skill has  greatly brought this about.

    I also wish to thank especially Altunay  (treasurer for the LMH I and project coordinator)  for all the tremendous work she did to help us on this  journey.

    Ortrud gave in her excellent final report a much more detail summary of the main people that were so helpful to our team; to  name just a few:  Curt Kösters, Cornelia Bajic, Andre  Saine,  all of the Executive Committee,  the pharmacies  donation of medicines, Karen Allen and many others.

    She also listed the various members of the Ganta hospital, such as Victor, Dr Willicore, Head Nurse Nora and so many others for their compassion, advice and cooperation.

    The people in Liberia were very friendly and caring and there was much beauty in its green rolling hills.

    I’m very happy that I participated in this project. Even though we did not obtain all that we wished due to bureaucracy in treating Ebola patients, the Ganta hospital was able to see the value of homeopathy. My Colleagues and I treated approximately 30 patients, including doctors, nurses, pharmacists, inpatients and outpatients with generally good results. Hopefully, with the follow-up of other teams, Liberia will be able to help much of its illnesses with homeopathy.

    Leaving you on a happy note, Ortrud and Medha took a picture of the rear of a large truck on a bumpy road with a sign saying:  WHY WORRY

    Onwards and upwards.

    Richard


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Richard Hiltner kicks out the Germans Curt Kösters and Cornelia Bajic
« Reply #86 on: December 09, 2014, 10:47:40 AM »

Debby Bruck does it again: she publishes an email by Richard Hiltner, one of the charlatans who were sent out to the ebola stricken city of Ganta in Liberia to cheat patients with homeopathy.

(Here is, for comparison, the email by Ortrud Lindemann:
http://transgallaxys.com/~kanzlerzwo/index.php?topic=8275.msg19254#msg19254 )

http://homeopathyworldcommunity.ning.com/forum/topics/ebola-and-the-vanishing-homeopaths?page=1&commentId=3101571%3AComment%3A282898&x=1#3101571Comment282898

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    UPDATE NOVEMBER 30, 2014

    RICHARD HILTNER SENDS MESSAGE ABOUT TRIP TO LIBERIA


    Well, it’s been three weeks since I arrived back from Liberia. Things are going well here.   All of my team colleagues are also doing very well. I feel fine and trying to catch up on my work. I wish also to thank very much Karl Robinson for his volunteering to go to Liberia in the next team.

    I wish to especially thank my dear friends and colleagues of the Ebola project team: Ortrud Lindemann (Barcelona, Spain), Medha Durge (India) and Ed Broussalian (Switzerland).  I learned a great deal from them and saw how deeply their warm hearts wish  to ease the pain of people not only with the Ebola virus but also the patients  in the Ganta  hospital.

    Much thanks to Renzo Galassi, president of the LMHI

    (LIGA)  (International Homeopathic Medical League), whose enthusiasm and warm heart and organizational skill has  greatly brought this about.

    I also wish to thank especially Altunay  (treasurer for the LMH I and project coordinator)  for all the tremendous work she did to help us on this  journey.

   Ortrud gave in her excellent final report a much more detail summary of the main people that were so helpful to our team; to  name just a few:  Curt Kösters, Cornelia Bajic, Andre  Saine,  all of the Executive Committee,  the pharmacies  donation of medicines, Karen Allen and many others.

    She also listed the various members of the Ganta hospital, such as Victor, Dr Willicore, Head Nurse Nora and so many others for their compassion, advice and cooperation.

    The people in Liberia were very friendly and caring and there was much beauty in its green rolling hills.

    I’m very happy that I participated in this project. Even though we did not obtain all that we wished due to bureaucracy in treating Ebola patients, the Ganta hospital was able to see the value of homeopathy.

My Colleagues and I treated approximately 30 patients, including doctors, nurses, pharmacists, inpatients and outpatients with generally good results. Hopefully, with the follow-up of other teams,

Liberia will be able to help much of its illnesses with homeopathy.

    Leaving you on a happy note, Ortrud and Medha took a picture of the rear of a large truck on a bumpy road with a sign saying:  WHY WORRY

    Onwards and upwards.

    Richard
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Curt Kösters, Cornelia Bajic, Andre  Saine,

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Cornelia Bajic and Curt Kösters is, respectively was, the president and vice-president of the DZVhAe (Deutscher Zentralverein homöopathischer Ärzte)

Bajic was seen in TV reports on several occasions, always waffling some nonsense about homeopathy. To get her caught in being involved in such an insane attempt like the Ganta affair, by Thor, Debby Bruck has no idea what a big kick in the ass she gave to these two...

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Weihnachtliches Kerzenlicht des NDR strahlt hell auf homöopathische Tunkelheit
« Reply #87 on: December 11, 2014, 11:06:06 PM »

Sankt Kurzschluß, der Hochheilige der Weihnachts- und Hirnbeleuchtung, ist auf Urlaub. So mußte der NDR improvisieren. Es kerzenlichtet. Zwengs der ganzheitlichen Sicht, nein, ich laß nichts im Dunkel verschwinden, das Orkus Relicti zuerst am Stück, dann in Scheiben gegrillt:

http://www.ndr.de/nachrichten/Homoeopathen-Mit-Kuegelchen-gegen-Ebola,homoeopathen100.html

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Homöopathen: Mit Kügelchen gegen Ebola
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Globuli kullern aus einem Glasfläschchen © Imago
Ein US-Homöopath will Ebola mit Schlangengift-Globuli kurieren.

Die Suche nach einem Mittel gegen die tödliche Seuche Ebola treibt - zumindest auf den ersten Blick - ungewöhnlich bis kurios anmutende Blüten. So preist ein US-Homöopath
[LINK: http://www.emergencydr.org/]
im Internet ein "weißes Rauschen" an, das Betroffene auf ihr Smartphone herunterladen sollen. Im Abstand von zehn Sekunden eingesetzt, aktiviere dessen "homöopathische Energie" in Ebola-Kranken Selbstheilungskräfte. Ein anderer rät zu dreierlei Schlangengift in Kombination mit Phosphor und Quecksilber.
[LINK: http://www.lightparty.com/Health/EbolaCure.html]

Letzteres  hält auch der Hamburger Curt Kösters, ehemaliger Vorsitzender des Deutschen Zentralvereins homöopathischer Ärzte (DZVhÄ), für "eine durchaus relevante Idee". An Ebola Erkrankte litten typischerweise an Blutungen - "und solche Symptome werden auch durch bestimmte Schlangengifte verursacht." Diese entspreche der homöopathischen Linie, "Ähnliches mit Ähnlichem" zu bekämpfen und habe bei Gelbfieber gute Resultate erzielt. Allerdings könne die These erst überprüft werden, wenn die Symptome der Patienten genau untersucht worden seien, sagte Kösters im Gespräch mit NDR.de.

Homöopathen-Team reist vergeblich nach Liberia
Curt Kösters © M. Uhlmann Fotograf: M. Uhlmann

Der Hamburger Curt Kösters kann nicht verstehen, dass die WHO seine Kollegen trotz Ärztemangels abgewiesen hat.

Eben das hat ein Team von Homöopathen vor wenigen Wochen in Liberia versucht. Eine internationale Delegation aus vier Ärzten reiste mit Unterstützung der DZVhÄ in das afrikanische Land, in dem viele Menschen an Ebola erkrankt sind. Allerdings durften die Mediziner auf Anweisung der World Health Organisation (WHO) entgegen ihrer Pläne nicht zu den Patienten.

"Man braucht Ärzte und lässt sie vor der Tür stehen - ein Skandal", ereifert sich Kösters, der politische Gründe im Hintergrund vermutet. Die Mediziner seien nach Liberia gereist, um dem unterversorgten Land Unterstützung anzubieten. "Die homöopathischen Mittel wollten sie begleitend zur Standardtherapie geben, in der Erwartung, dass das einen zusätzlichen Effekt bringt." Kösters Kollegin Cornelia Bajic, DZVhÄ-Vorsitzende, gibt sich in einer Presseerklärung überzeugt davon, dass "eine homöopathische Behandlung die Sterblichkeitsrate der Ebola-Patienten signifikant verringern könnte".

"Als wenn Schamanen zu uns kommen"
Weitere Informationen
Ebola-Viren unter dem Mikroskop. © dpa Fotograf: A9999 DB
Link
FAQ: Was ist Ebola?

Die jüngste Ebola-Epidemie hat in Westafrika bereits Tausende Todesopfer gefordert. Die wichtigsten Fragen und Antworten zum Thema Ebola lesen Sie auf tagesschau.de. extern

Homöopathen, die ausziehen, um Ebola zu kurieren, sind für den Biologen Christian Weymayr "das Gleiche, als wenn afrikanische Schamanen mit Rauch und Glöckchen zu uns reisen würden, wenn hier eine Seuche ausbricht". Das Engagement der Ärzte und ihr Wunsch, helfen zu wollen, sei ehrenwert. Aber den Gedanken, der Krankheit mit Hilfe von Homöopathie Herr zu werden, findet der Wissenschaftsjournalist "völlig abwegig".

Hauptargument ist für ihn der fehlende Wirkstoff in den Globuli genannten weißen Kügelchen, die Homöopathen ihren Patienten verschreiben. "Die sind nichts anderes als Zucker". Der Ursprungsstoff sei derart verdünnt, "dass die Globuli meist nicht mal mehr ein einziges Molekül Wirkstoff enthalten". Das führt Weymayr zu dem Schluss: "Homöopathie ist gleichbedeutend mit Geistheilung". Mehr als einen Placebo-Effekt könne diese Form der sogenannten Alternativmedizin nicht leisten.
"Wenn es nicht wirkt, gehe ich zu einem anderen Arzt"
Christian Weymayr © Christian Weymayr
Homöopathie ist Glaubenssache - und Globuli sind nichts als Zucker, sagt Kritiker Christian Weymayr.

Eine derartige Schein-Medizin sei in einem gut funktionierenden Gesundheitssystem nicht weiter tragisch. "Die Patienten, bei denen Homöopathie nicht wirkt, gehen dann eben zu einem anderen Arzt." Gefährlich werde es aber, wenn Homöopathen in Ländern wie in Afrika die Menschen derart für ihre Methode einnähmen, dass Patienten beispielsweise auch bei schweren Erkrankungen nicht ins Krankenhaus gingen. Ebenso schwierig sei es, wenn Organisationen wie die Hamburger Homöopathen ohne Grenzen in Afrika Menschen in ihrer Methode ausbilden würden.

Generell habe der Erfinder der Homöopathie, Samuel Hahnemann, seine Methode stets als Gegenteil der wissenschaftlich basierten Medizin begriffen - nicht als deren Ergänzung. Dies hat Hahnemann, der Ende des 19. Jahrhunderts unter anderem in Hamburg-Altona praktizierte, auch schriftlich fixiert: "Jede steht der anderen gerade entgegen und nur wer beide nicht kennt, kann sich dem Wahne hingeben, daß sie sich je einander nähern könnten oder wohl gar sich vereinigen ließen." Alles andere sei "verbrecherischer Verrat an der göttlichen Homöopathie", schreibt der Vater aller Homöopathen in seinem "Organon der Heilkunst".

"Mehr Vertrauen in Selbstheilungskräfte gefragt"

Curt Kösters verweist darauf, dass die Schulmedizin zu Hahnemanns Zeiten auf einem anderen Stand gewesen sei. Heute hingegen gebe es Situationen, in denen eine Kombination der beiden Richtungen sinnvoll sei. Kritiker Weymayr hält die Wirkung homöopathischer Mittel für reine Glaubenssache und meint: "Jeder wäre besser beraten, wenn er mehr Vertrauen in seine Selbstheilungskräfte hätte."

Herden-Evidenz: "Wenn viele dran glauben..."

Äußerst problematisch findet Weymayr den Versuch, Homöopathie wissenschaftlich legitimieren zu wollen. Klinische Studien seien sinnlos, weil sie gar nicht die Aussagekraft haben, völlig unplausible Behauptungen zu belegen oder zu widerlegen, sagt der Autor des Buches "Die Homöopathie-Lüge". Er gehe angesichts der großen Beliebtheit der Kügelchen vielmehr von einer "Herden-Evidenz" aus, wonach der Einzelne denke: "Wenn so viele dran glauben, muss ja was dran sein".

Für Kösters haben die bisher zur Homöopathie vorgelegten Studien "unterschiedliche Qualität". Seinen Angaben zufolge ist jedoch die Wirksamkeit derartiger Mittel durchaus durch mehrere Erhebungen belegt, auch durch "eine Reihe von methodisch guten Doppelblindstudien". Zudem habe er in mehr als 20 Jahren Praxis an seinen Patienten beobachten können, dass die Mittel wirken. Auf die Frage, warum dies der Fall sei, antwortet er: "Ich weiß es auch nicht. Aber es funktioniert."

Hinweis der Redaktion: In einer früheren Version des Artikels wurde Christian Weymayr im Hinblick auf seine Aussagen zu Studien zur Wirksamkeit von Homöopathie versehentlich nicht korrekt zitiert. Wir haben die entsprechenden Stellen geändert und bitten dies zu entschuldigen.
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Homöopathen: Mit Kügelchen gegen Ebola
von Kristina Festring-Hashem Zadeh, NDR.de

Globuli kullern aus einem Glasfläschchen © Imago
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Das wird ja zu einer Landplage, daß Einem vorgeschrieben wird, wie lange man an etwas zu lesen habe. Nein, ernsthaft. Wie fühlt sich Jemand, der 10 Minuten für den Text braucht? Fühlt der sich als dumm, weil er länger braucht? Oder fühlt er sich veralbert, weil ihn Jemand mit dem Köder einer kurzen Lesezeit locken will? Und überhaupt: WARUM DAS!? Jeder braucht soviel Zeit, wie er eben braucht. Daß der Text nicht ganz kurz ist, ist doch zu sehen. Oder etwa nicht?

Die zehn Minuten sind nicht aus der Luft gegriffen. Wer mehr von der Sache versteht, bleibt länger an den einzelnen Schwachstellen hängen, weil vor seinem hirninternen virtuellen Monitor die Teilchen herumsurren und -hüpfen, die die biologische Festplatte sukzessive oder parallel in den Fokus schnippst.

Zum Beispiel, daß es nicht EIN "US-Homöopath" ist, sondern mehrere. Die Beispiele sind in diesem Thread. Die mit der biologischen Denkmaschine durchzuklicken dauert seine Zeit.


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Die Suche nach einem Mittel gegen die tödliche Seuche Ebola treibt - zumindest auf den ersten Blick - ungewöhnlich bis kurios anmutende Blüten. So preist ein US-Homöopath im Internet ein "weißes Rauschen" an, das Betroffene auf ihr Smartphone herunterladen sollen. Im Abstand von zehn Sekunden eingesetzt, aktiviere dessen "homöopathische Energie" in Ebola-Kranken Selbstheilungskräfte. Ein anderer rät zu dreierlei Schlangengift in Kombination mit Phosphor und Quecksilber.
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Dieser "US-Homöopath" mit dem "weißen Rauschen" ist, wir kennen ihn schon,

"Copyright © 2014 - Dr. Bill Gray, Coherence Apps LLC (response.emergencydr.org@gmail.com)",der in seinerWebsite

http://www.emergencydr.org/

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You will hear just white noise as the homeopathic remedy energy is played in order to stimulate the body to heal itself.

Make sure sound on your device or computer is turned on!
Ebola eRemedy #1

Note:To be played if:

    Used as a preventive
    Exposed to Ebola but not sick
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"homeopathic remedy energy is played in order to stimulate the body to heal itself" ist nicht nur eine saudämliche Lüge, sondern gehört als Massenmord unter Todesstrafe gestellt. Die passenden US-Bundesstaaten haben ganz sicher noch ausreichend Todeszellen für den Herrn Gray und seine Komplizen frei.

Gray ist offensichtlich nicht nur im Internet mit seinem Mordswerkzeug unterweg, sondern auch in corpore in Afrika. Wieviele Tote hat er dort inzwischen hinterlassen?

Mehr über den Abzocker und Massentotschläger Gray:
http://transgallaxys.com/~kanzlerzwo/index.php?topic=8131.msg19080#msg19080

Nachdem die USA mit ihren Drohnen schon eine erkleckliche Zahl von Gegnern der Menschheit ins Jenseits befördert haben, stellt sich die Frage, warum sie Gray noch nicht aus dem Verkehr gezogen haben. Oder lassen sie Gray absichtlich als Massenvernichtungswaffe frei herumlaufen und Menschen beseitigen?


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Diesen Irren hatten wir noch nicht im Archive. Der behauptet:

http://www.lightparty.com/Health/EbolaCure.html

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CURE FOR EBOLA VIRUS

Dr. Gail Derin studied the symptoms of Ebola Zaire, the most deadly of the three that can infect human beings. Dr. Vickie Menear, M.D. and homeopath, found that the remedy that most closely fit the symptoms of the 1914 "flu" virus, Crotalus  Horridus, also fits the Ebola virus nearly 95% symptom-wise! Thanks go to these doctors for coming up with the following remedies:

1. Crotalus  Horridus (rattlesnake venom) 2. Bothrops (yellow viper) 3. Lachesis (bushmaster snake) 4. Phosphorus 5. Merc. cor.

If you are not in the U.S., you must locate your closed homeopathic practitioner and ask him or her to order these remedies for you from Hahnemann Pharmacy, (510) 327-3003 (Albany, California, a suburb of Oakland). If your country's laws allow you to call a homeopathic pharmacy directly, do so. In any case be sure to find a homeopathic practitioner you can work with. Do not try to take care of yourself without the further education and experience that a homeopath can give you.

If you're not sure where to find your closest homeopath, call the National Center of Homeopathy, (703) 548-7790, Take this article with you and let a homeopath read it and instruct you on how to use the remedies.

During the Spanish influenza epidemic of 1918, eighty percent of the people treated with allopathic drugs died. Eighty percent of the people who took homeopathic remedies, mostly Crotalus  Horridus, survived. We are once again faced with a virus that is poised sweep our country.

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This article appears in the forthcoming "book by Dr. Eileen Nauman, "Poisons That Heal". Published by: Light Technology Publishing, P.O. Box 1526, Sedona, AZ 86339, (520) 282-6523 This reprint is provided as a service from: The San Francisco Medical Research Foundation 20 Sunnyside Avenue, Suite A-156 l Mill Valley, CA 94941 (415) 381-4061 l Fax: (415) 381-2645

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Copyright? Auf Verbrechen gibt es kein Copyright! Auf ein Verbrechen wie das gibt es MINDESTENS Knast. MINDESTENS!

Da haben wir also "The Light Party", die ein Buch "book by Dr. Eileen Nauman, "Poisons That Heal" bewirbt, das bei "Light Technology Publishing, P.O. Box 1526, Sedona, AZ 86339, (520) 282-6523" erscheinen wird. Ein bißchen viel "Light" auf einmal...

Diese idiotische Lüge

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kann "The Light Party" natürlich auch nicht unterlassen. Mit dieser Lüge über die Influenza-Epidemie werden jetzt Ebola-Kranke umgebracht. Kann man das als "100 Jahre fest im Geschäft mit Patientenmord" bezeichnen? Ich denke, schon.

Jetzt erst mal Nachmittagstee im Hotelgarten. Es geht doch nichts über einen Weihnachtsurlaub. :-)


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Letzteres  hält auch der Hamburger Curt Kösters, ehemaliger Vorsitzender des Deutschen Zentralvereins homöopathischer Ärzte (DZVhÄ), für "eine durchaus relevante Idee". An Ebola Erkrankte litten typischerweise an Blutungen - "und solche Symptome werden auch durch bestimmte Schlangengifte verursacht." Diese entspreche der homöopathischen Linie, "Ähnliches mit Ähnlichem" zu bekämpfen und habe bei Gelbfieber gute Resultate erzielt. Allerdings könne die These erst überprüft werden, wenn die Symptome der Patienten genau untersucht worden seien, sagte Kösters im Gespräch mit NDR.de.

Homöopathen-Team reist vergeblich nach Liberia
Curt Kösters © M. Uhlmann Fotograf: M. Uhlmann

Der Hamburger Curt Kösters kann nicht verstehen, dass die WHO seine Kollegen trotz Ärztemangels abgewiesen hat.

Eben das hat ein Team von Homöopathen vor wenigen Wochen in Liberia versucht. Eine internationale Delegation aus vier Ärzten reiste mit Unterstützung der DZVhÄ in das afrikanische Land, in dem viele Menschen an Ebola erkrankt sind. Allerdings durften die Mediziner auf Anweisung der World Health Organisation (WHO) entgegen ihrer Pläne nicht zu den Patienten.

"Man braucht Ärzte und lässt sie vor der Tür stehen - ein Skandal", ereifert sich Kösters, der politische Gründe im Hintergrund vermutet. Die Mediziner seien nach Liberia gereist, um dem unterversorgten Land Unterstützung anzubieten. "Die homöopathischen Mittel wollten sie begleitend zur Standardtherapie geben, in der Erwartung, dass das einen zusätzlichen Effekt bringt." Kösters Kollegin Cornelia Bajic, DZVhÄ-Vorsitzende, gibt sich in einer Presseerklärung überzeugt davon, dass "eine homöopathische Behandlung die Sterblichkeitsrate der Ebola-Patienten signifikant verringern könnte".

"Als wenn Schamanen zu uns kommen"
Weitere Informationen
Ebola-Viren unter dem Mikroskop. © dpa Fotograf: A9999 DB
Link
FAQ: Was ist Ebola?

Die jüngste Ebola-Epidemie hat in Westafrika bereits Tausende Todesopfer gefordert. Die wichtigsten Fragen und Antworten zum Thema Ebola lesen Sie auf tagesschau.de. extern

Homöopathen, die ausziehen, um Ebola zu kurieren, sind für den Biologen Christian Weymayr "das Gleiche, als wenn afrikanische Schamanen mit Rauch und Glöckchen zu uns reisen würden, wenn hier eine Seuche ausbricht". Das Engagement der Ärzte und ihr Wunsch, helfen zu wollen, sei ehrenwert. Aber den Gedanken, der Krankheit mit Hilfe von Homöopathie Herr zu werden, findet der Wissenschaftsjournalist "völlig abwegig".

Hauptargument ist für ihn der fehlende Wirkstoff in den Globuli genannten weißen Kügelchen, die Homöopathen ihren Patienten verschreiben. "Die sind nichts anderes als Zucker". Der Ursprungsstoff sei derart verdünnt, "dass die Globuli meist nicht mal mehr ein einziges Molekül Wirkstoff enthalten". Das führt Weymayr zu dem Schluss: "Homöopathie ist gleichbedeutend mit Geistheilung". Mehr als einen Placebo-Effekt könne diese Form der sogenannten Alternativmedizin nicht leisten.
"Wenn es nicht wirkt, gehe ich zu einem anderen Arzt"
Christian Weymayr © Christian Weymayr
Homöopathie ist Glaubenssache - und Globuli sind nichts als Zucker, sagt Kritiker Christian Weymayr.

Eine derartige Schein-Medizin sei in einem gut funktionierenden Gesundheitssystem nicht weiter tragisch. "Die Patienten, bei denen Homöopathie nicht wirkt, gehen dann eben zu einem anderen Arzt." Gefährlich werde es aber, wenn Homöopathen in Ländern wie in Afrika die Menschen derart für ihre Methode einnähmen, dass Patienten beispielsweise auch bei schweren Erkrankungen nicht ins Krankenhaus gingen. Ebenso schwierig sei es, wenn Organisationen wie die Hamburger Homöopathen ohne Grenzen in Afrika Menschen in ihrer Methode ausbilden würden.

Generell habe der Erfinder der Homöopathie, Samuel Hahnemann, seine Methode stets als Gegenteil der wissenschaftlich basierten Medizin begriffen - nicht als deren Ergänzung. Dies hat Hahnemann, der Ende des 19. Jahrhunderts unter anderem in Hamburg-Altona praktizierte, auch schriftlich fixiert: "Jede steht der anderen gerade entgegen und nur wer beide nicht kennt, kann sich dem Wahne hingeben, daß sie sich je einander nähern könnten oder wohl gar sich vereinigen ließen." Alles andere sei "verbrecherischer Verrat an der göttlichen Homöopathie", schreibt der Vater aller Homöopathen in seinem "Organon der Heilkunst".

"Mehr Vertrauen in Selbstheilungskräfte gefragt"

Curt Kösters verweist darauf, dass die Schulmedizin zu Hahnemanns Zeiten auf einem anderen Stand gewesen sei. Heute hingegen gebe es Situationen, in denen eine Kombination der beiden Richtungen sinnvoll sei. Kritiker Weymayr hält die Wirkung homöopathischer Mittel für reine Glaubenssache und meint: "Jeder wäre besser beraten, wenn er mehr Vertrauen in seine Selbstheilungskräfte hätte."

Herden-Evidenz: "Wenn viele dran glauben..."

Äußerst problematisch findet Weymayr den Versuch, Homöopathie wissenschaftlich legitimieren zu wollen. Klinische Studien seien sinnlos, weil sie gar nicht die Aussagekraft haben, völlig unplausible Behauptungen zu belegen oder zu widerlegen, sagt der Autor des Buches "Die Homöopathie-Lüge". Er gehe angesichts der großen Beliebtheit der Kügelchen vielmehr von einer "Herden-Evidenz" aus, wonach der Einzelne denke: "Wenn so viele dran glauben, muss ja was dran sein".

Für Kösters haben die bisher zur Homöopathie vorgelegten Studien "unterschiedliche Qualität". Seinen Angaben zufolge ist jedoch die Wirksamkeit derartiger Mittel durchaus durch mehrere Erhebungen belegt, auch durch "eine Reihe von methodisch guten Doppelblindstudien". Zudem habe er in mehr als 20 Jahren Praxis an seinen Patienten beobachten können, dass die Mittel wirken. Auf die Frage, warum dies der Fall sei, antwortet er: "Ich weiß es auch nicht. Aber es funktioniert."

Hinweis der Redaktion: In einer früheren Version des Artikels wurde Christian Weymayr im Hinblick auf seine Aussagen zu Studien zur Wirksamkeit von Homöopathie versehentlich nicht korrekt zitiert. Wir haben die entsprechenden Stellen geändert und bitten dies zu entschuldigen.
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The WHO rejects homeopathy and other dog-shit!
« Reply #88 on: December 12, 2014, 10:53:32 AM »

Concerning ebola the WHO has at least THREE publications online, rejecting homeopathy and other dog-shit "treatments".

Do note vaccines being the core interest of the WHO. The reason? Answer: Because it is a virus infection, and to date nearly no infective disease caused by a virus can be healed with medicaments. (There are some VERY FEW exceptions of diseases, which can be healed with medicaments. But it took decades to develop them, and the time for Africa is running out.)

The main thrust of the fight against ebola is to PREVENT it BEFORE it strikes. This is a matter of rational thinking and of financial sources for medical research and of financial resources to treat infected persons.

Three publications:

15. August 2014
"Ebola: Experimental therapies and rumoured remedies"

2. September 2014
"BACKGROUND DOCUMENT POTENTIAL EBOLA THERAPIES AND VACCINES"

29. September 2014
"Regulatory Pathways for Licensure and Use of
Ebola Virus Vaccines During the Current Outbreak"



Some core details:

http://www.who.int/mediacentre/news/ebola/15-august-2014/en/

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Ebola: Experimental therapies and rumoured remedies

Situation assessment - 15 August 2014

The scale, duration, and lethality of the Ebola outbreak have generated a high level of public fear and anxiety, which extends well beyond west Africa. Such reactions are understandable, given the high fatality rate and the absence of a vaccine or cure.

Recent intense media coverage of experimental medicines and vaccines is creating some unrealistic expectations, especially in an emotional climate of intense fear. The public needs to understand that these medical products are under investigation. They have not yet been tested in humans and are not approved by regulatory authorities, beyond use for compassionate care.

Evidence of their effectiveness is suggestive, but not based on solid scientific data from clinical trials. Safety is also unknown, raising the possibility of adverse side effects when administered to humans. For most, administration is difficult and demanding. Safe administration of some requires facilities for intensive care, which are rare in west Africa.

WHO has advised that the use of experimental medicines and vaccines under the exceptional circumstances of this outbreak is ethically acceptable. However, existing supplies of all experimental medicines are either extremely limited or exhausted.

While many efforts are under way to accelerate production, supplies will not be augmented for several months to come. Even then, supplies will be too small to have a significant impact on the outbreak.

WHO welcomes the decision by the Canadian government to donate several hundred doses of an experimental vaccine to support the outbreak response. A fully tested and licensed vaccine is not expected before 2015.

Another source of public misunderstanding, especially in affected areas, comes from rumours on social media claiming that certain products or practices can prevent or cure Ebola virus disease.

Decades of scientific research have failed to find a curative or preventive agent of proven safety and effectiveness in humans, though a number of promising products are currently under development.

All rumours of any other effective products or practices are false. Their use can be dangerous.
In Nigeria, for example, at least two people have died after drinking salt water, rumoured to be protective.

The most effective personal behaviours are avoiding well-known high-risk situations, knowing the symptoms of infection, and reporting early for testing and care. Evidence suggests that early supportive care improves the prospects of survival.

The Ebola virus is highly contagious but only under very specific conditions involving close contact with the bodily fluids of an infected person or corpse. Most infections have been linked to traditional funeral practices or the unprotected care, in homes or health facilities, of an infected person showing symptoms.

Apart from these specific opportunities for exposure to the virus, the general public is not at high risk of infection.
WHO media contacts:

Gregory Hartl
Telephone: +41 22 791 4458
Mobile: +41 79 203 6715
Email: hartlg@who.int

Tarik Jasarevic
Telephone: +41 22 791 50 99
Mobile: +41 79 367 62 14
Email: jasarevict@who.int

Fadéla Chaib
Telephone: + 41 22 791 3228
Mobile:+ 41 79 475 55 56
Email: chaibf@who.int
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http://www.who.int/csr/disease/ebola/ebola-new-interventions-02-sep-2014.pdf

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Consultation on potential Ebola therapies and vaccines
- Background document for participants


BACKGROUND DOCUMENT POTENTIAL EBOLA THERAPIES AND VACCINES

THIS DOCUMENT INCLUDES PROPOSED ELEMENTS TO CONSIDER DURING THE DELIBERATIONS
TO DEVELOP A FRAMEWORK TO ASSIST DECISION MAKING AT GLOBAL AND NATIONAL LEVEL
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WHO has also received numerous proposals for experimental interventions ranging from homeopathic through to well defined molecules with known mode-­‐of-­‐action,  however while many had known safety profiles, none of them had demonstrated efficacy for filovirus infection in a relevant animal model (non-­‐human primate unless there is justification for  non-­‐relevance of NHP, in which case another model such as humanised-­‐mice may be considered).

WHO will expand in a second round of evaluations the review to include potential therapeutic interventions for which theoretical or practical  evidence of protective effect can be shown but for which NHP data is lacking.
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29. September 2014, published (?) 2. October 2014

This is a slide show with pics. I only copy the text.  To see the pics you have to read the original document. It sounds a bit cryptic, so I copy all of the text in reach for c+p.

http://www.who.int/immunization/diseases/ebola/Finn_WHO_Sept_29_2014.pdf

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Regulatory Pathways for Licensure and Use of
Ebola Virus Vaccines During the Current Outbreak

FDA Perspective
Office of Vaccines Research and Review
Center for Biologics Evaluation and Research
U.S. Food and Drug Administration
WHO Consultation on Ebola Virus Vaccines
Geneva, September 29, 2014

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Outline
• General Regulatory Considerations
• U.S. FDA Licensure Pathways
• Potential Approaches to Demonstrate Effectiveness of Ebola Virus Vaccines
• “Traditional” Approval
• Accelerated Approval
• U.S. FDA Expanded Access Regulations

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General Regulatory Considerations

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Phases of Vaccine Development under IND
Preclinical
Phase 1
Phase 2
Phase 3

• Safety
• Immunogenicity
Efficacy
• Generally several thousand subjects
• Safety
• Immunogenicity
• Generally hundreds of subjects
• Safety
• Immunogenicity
• Dose Ranging
• 20 - 80 subjects

Later Stages
Earlier Stages

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Biologics Licensure
 Section 351 of the Public Health Service Act, 42 USC 262:
The Secretary shall approve a biologics license application (BLA)
- on the basis of a demonstration that

–  the biological product ... is safe, pure, and potent; and
 the facility ... meets standards designed to assure that the biological product continues to be
safe, pure, and potent; ....
Only those vaccines that are demonstrated to be safe and effective , and that can be manufactured in a consistent manner will be licensed by the FDA

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Demonstration of Effectiveness of Preventive Vaccines

21 CFR 201.57: “...all indications [e.g., prevention of disease]...must be supported by
substantial evidence of effectiveness
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Expectation that demonstration of effectiveness is based on adequate and well-controlled clinical
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Characteristics of Adequate and Well-Controlled Studies
• Pre-specified objectives and analysis methods
• Valid comparison with a control to provide a quantitative assessment of vaccine effect
• Method of assigning participants to study groups minimizes bias and helps assure comparability with regard to other pertinent variables
• Measures taken to minimize bias on the part of the subjects, observers, and analysis of data
• Methods of assessment of response are well-defined and reliable
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Licensure Pathways

• “Traditional” Approval
• Accelerated Approval
• “Animal Rule”
Demonstration of clinical safety required for all pathways
Demonstration of effectiveness required for all pathways;
differences in approach among pathways
Accelerated Approval and Animal Rule -- specific “eligibility” criteria and associated requirements

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Safety Database Considerations

 Nature of the product
 Intended use
 Severity of the disease to be prevented

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“Traditional” Approval

• Protection against clinical disease
• Immunologic response, in some cases
• scientifically well-established immunologic marker to predict protection that can be reliably measured in a validated assay
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1x Rhetorik-Dusche für Curt Kösters, mit viel Eis bitte!
« Reply #89 on: December 12, 2014, 04:04:40 PM »

Unter dem unter dem Diktat der "Ausgewogenheit" vermasselten "Bericht" des NDR

"Homöopathen: Mit Kügelchen gegen Ebola"
http://www.ndr.de/nachrichten/Homoeopathen-Mit-Kuegelchen-gegen-Ebola,homoeopathen100.html

darf das GEZ-geknechtete Wahlvolk sein Stimmchen erheben. Aber das muß nicht sein. Man kann auch anders. Zum Beispiel ohne die liederliche Verhackstückung in 5er-Paketchen den Thread als Gesamtkunstwerk zeigen. Damit fange ich jetzt mal an. Und dann gibt es Rhetorik-Schnitzel der gar nicht ausgewogenen Art...


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Curt Kösters schrieb am 09.12.2014 20:14 Uhr:

Anmerken möchte ich hier doch noch, dass die Aussagen von Herrn Weymayr teilweise etwas an den Tatsachen vorbei gehen.
Er äußert sich hier besorgt, dass diese Mission hätte dazu führen können „dass Patienten beispielsweise auch bei schweren Erkrankungen nicht ins Krankenhaus gingen.“ – Wahrscheinlich ist ihm aber gut bekannt, dass die homöopathische Behandlung eben an einem Krankenhaus angeboten werden sollte, zusätzlich zu der konventionellen Therapie.
Es sei ihm unbenommen, diese homöopathische Behandlung für "völlig abwegig" zu halten. Wenn er zu der Kombination der Behandlungen allerdings äußert: "Wie will man dann noch nachprüfen, was wie hilft?" – dann dürfte ihm die Antwort selbst gut bekannt sein. Unter der konventionellen Standardtherapie, liegt die Sterblichkeit bei 50-70% (eher bei 70%); wenn die Sterblichkeit mit einer begleitenden homöopathischen Therapie nicht deutlich unter 50% liegt, dann hatte diese keine Wirkung. – So einfach ist die Überprüfbarkeit in diesem Fall.

Curt Kösters schrieb am 09.12.2014 20:18 Uhr:

Und wenn er hier zitiert wird mit der Aussage: „Es gebe keine einzige Studie, die den Nutzen nachvollziehbar beweise“ – dann ist diese Aussage mindestens verkürzt, im Grunde aber unredlich.
Auf der Seite 317 seines Buches „Die Homöopathie-Lüge“ schreibt er: "Dass es tatsächlich auch Studien gibt, die hohen wissenschaftlichen Ansprüchen genügen, aber trotzdem eine spezifische Wirkung der Homöopathie nahe legen, erlaubt nur den Schluss, dass die Studien methodisch nicht perfekt oder die Ergebnisse bloßer Zufall waren."
Diesen etwas verklausulierten Satz muss man sich denn doch genauer anschauen.
Also: Es gibt offenbar doch Studien (Plural!) auch nach Auffassung von Weymayr, die hohen wissenschaftlichen Ansprüchen genügen, aber trotzdem eine spezifische Wirkung der Homöopathie nahe legen.
Was heißt nun nahe legen? – Gibt es "nahe legen" in der Wissenschaft? – Es gibt bei Studien eigentlich nur signifikante Ergebnisse – und Ergebnisse, die es nicht sind.
Und wenn eine Studie "hohen wissenschaftlichen Ansprüchen genügt" heißt das, dass sie methodisch gut ist. - Perfekt ist wahrscheinlich keine Studie in der Medizin.
Was es gibt, sind akzeptierte Kriterien für die methodische Qualität von Studien - und es ist eine Weymayr wohlbekannte Tatsache, dass unter den methodisch guten Studien zur Homöopathie, die Mehrheit ein signifikant positives Ergebnis zeigt. (Und exakt das ist auch das Ergebnis aller Metaanalysen zur Homöopathie)

Jakobus schrieb am 09.12.2014 22:57 Uhr:

Dank an Curt Kösters, daß er nochmal auf Ungereimtheiten in den Aussagen von Christian Weymayr hinweist. Die Auffassung von Christian Weymayr zeigt seine Sturheit in der Sache; das ist bedauerlich, weil so keine wissenschaftliche Arbeit möglich ist. - Das alles geschieht auf dem Rücken der Erkrankten, deren Tod offensichtlich lieber in Kauf genommen wird, als ihnen zusätzlich zur üblichen Behandlung zu helfen; die alte Tragik. - Jedenfalls haben mir Arnika-Globuli eine Entzündung im Bein geheilt; die verschriebenen schulmedizinischen Tabletten konnte ich nicht vertragen. -

Norbert Aust schrieb am 10.12.2014 12:28 Uhr:

... und am Ende aller Diskussion steht immer noch der Fakt, dass die besonders wirksamen homöopathischen Mittel, die Hochpotenzen, aus den Vrdunstungsrückständen einer geschüttelten Mischung von destilliertem Wasser und medizinischem Alkohol auf Zucker bestehen. Wer glaubt, dass diese Präparate eine spezifische Wirkung entfalten, der muss unterstellen, dass durch pures Schütteln aus den Verdunstungsrückständen ein wirksames Medikament wird, und zwar nach Maßgabe der Urtinktur, die schon lange nicht mehr in der Lösung enthalten ist.

Christian Weymayr schrieb am 10.12.2014 16:27 Uhr:

Dank an Herrn Kösters für seinen Kommentar. Ich gebe ihm recht, dass die beiden Aussagen "Wie will man dann noch nachprüfen, was wie hilft?" und "Es gebe keine einzige Studie, die den Nutzen nachvollziehbar beweise" nicht angemessen sind. Ich habe es so nicht gesagt oder so nicht gemeint. Deshalb habe ich die Redakteurin gebeten, die beiden Stellen zu ändern. Nach den Regeln der Evidenzbasierten Medizin gibt es tatsächlich positive Studien. Das heißt jedoch nicht, dass dies die Wirksamkeit homöopathischer Mittel beweisen würde. Es heißt vielmehr, dass die Regeln der Evidenzbasierten Medizin nicht für unplausible Verfahren gemacht worden sind, aber trotzdem auf sie angewendet werden. Deshalb setze ich mich mit anderen dafür ein, die Plausibilität eines Verfahrens in der Planung und Auswertung von Studien einzubeziehen. "Plausibilität" bedeutet in diesem Kontext nicht, dass schon ein Wirkmechanismus bekannt sein muss, sondern es bedeutet nur, dass das Verfahren sicheren wissenschaftlichen Erkenntnissen nicht widersprechen darf.
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Curt Kösters, 09.12.2014 20:14 Uhr:
"Wahrscheinlich ist ihm aber gut bekannt, dass die homöopathische Behandlung eben an einem Krankenhaus angeboten werden sollte, zusätzlich zu der konventionellen Therapie."

Die Wahrheit:
Homöopathie wird zur SELBSTMEDIKATION angepriesen. Betrüger wie John R. Benneth und andere geben sogar die Rezepte zur Herstellung an. Und das für Ebola!

Die Wahrheit:
Homöopathie wird auch als Prophylaxe gegen Ebola angepriesen.

Die Wahrheit:
Die Homöopathen haben sich unter falscher Flagge in das Krankenkaus eingeschlichen. Die Zentrale der United Methodist Church in den USA, die für das Krankenhaus verantwortlich ist, war laut amerikanischer Buschtrommel über Homöopathie nicht informiert worden, sondern erwartete qualifizierte Ärzte.

Die Wahrheit:
Medha Durge, die Inderin in der Gruppe der vier Homöopathen, ist keine qualifizierte Ärztin, sondern nur Homöopath mit Zusatzausbildung in Chirurgie und einigen anderen Gebieten, nicht aber in Pharmakologie und Infektiologie, zwei unverzichtbaren Grundbausteinen des wissenschaftlichen Medizinstudiums.
Der Beweis:
wird geführt in dieser Analyse:
"Indian PM appoints Minister for Genocide"
http://ariplex.com/folia/archives/851.htm

Die Wahrheit:
Bei Spendenbitten des Leipziger Vereins "Freunde Liberias" wird das Wort Homöopathie nicht erwähnt. So zu sehen in dem Artikel der Leipziger Volkszeitung und in der Website des Vereins.

Die Wahrheit:
Absicht von Homöopathen war nicht humanitäre Hilfe, sondern sie wollten in die Nachrichten.
Der Beweis:
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Ebola And The Vanishing Homeopaths

    Posted by John Board on August 17, 2014 at 8:31am in Epidemic-and-Pandemic-Homeopathy
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Where is the homeopathic work force that is going to Africa to fight the Ebola epidemic.  I have heard of no one who is going although some write that within the books there are remedies that can be used. I am appalled that the community is letting this opportunity to put Homeopathy into the news is being foregone and that sufferers in an epidemic not being served.  No one has stepped up to the plate.
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Quelle:
http://homeopathyworldcommunity.ning.com/forum/topics/ebola-and-the-vanishing-homeopaths?page=1&commentId=3101571%3AComment%3A282898&x=1#3101571Comment282898
Archiv:
http://transgallaxys.com/~kanzlerzwo/index.php?topic=8275.msg19342#msg19342

Obiger Aufruf erschien am 17. August 2014, 2 Tage nach der ablehnenden Stellungnahme der WHO.
Der Beweis:
http://www.who.int/mediacentre/news/ebola/15-august-2014/en/
http://transgallaxys.com/~kanzlerzwo/index.php?topic=8275.msg19351#msg19351

Der Beweis:
Die WHO legt am 2.9.2014 in ihrer Ablehnung expressis verbis gegen Homöopathie nach:
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Consultation on potential Ebola therapies and vaccines
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WHO has also received numerous proposals for experimental interventions ranging from homeopathic through to well defined molecules with known mode-­‐of-­‐action,  however while many had known safety profiles, none of them had demonstrated efficacy for filovirus infection in a relevant animal model (non-­‐human primate unless there is justification for  non-­‐relevance of NHP, in which case another model such as humanised-­‐mice may be considered).
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Quelle:
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ebola-new-interventions-02-sep-2014.pdf
Archiv:
http://transgallaxys.com/~kanzlerzwo/index.php?topic=8275.msg19351#msg19351

Curt Kösters, 09.12.2014 20:14 Uhr:
"Es sei ihm unbenommen, diese homöopathische Behandlung für "völlig abwegig" zu halten. Wenn er zu der Kombination der Behandlungen allerdings äußert: "Wie will man dann noch nachprüfen, was wie hilft?" – dann dürfte ihm die Antwort selbst gut bekannt sein. Unter der konventionellen Standardtherapie, liegt die Sterblichkeit bei 50-70% (eher bei 70%); wenn die Sterblichkeit mit einer begleitenden homöopathischen Therapie nicht deutlich unter 50% liegt, dann hatte diese keine Wirkung. – So einfach ist die Überprüfbarkeit in diesem Fall."

Das ist Larifari.


Curt Kösters, 09.12.2014 20:18 Uhr:
"Was es gibt, sind akzeptierte Kriterien für die methodische Qualität von Studien - und es ist eine Weymayr wohlbekannte Tatsache, dass unter den methodisch guten Studien zur Homöopathie, die Mehrheit ein signifikant positives Ergebnis zeigt."

Das ist Larifari. Homöopathie ist ein Betrugssystem, bei dem sich von vornherein verbietet, Studien durchzuführen.
Der Beweis:
"Homöopathie: Das Rätsel der “Erstverschlimmerung” gelöst"
http://ariplex.com/folia/archives/565.htm
"Homöopathie: Die “Potenzierung” ist entlarvt als ein Hütchenspielertrick"
http://ariplex.com/folia/archives/570.htm
"Homöopathie ist nichts anderes als Trickbetrug und organisierte Kriminalität und Korruption"
http://ariplex.com/folia/archives/585.htm
"Beweisstück der Anklage: Auszug aus dem Homöopathischen Arzneibuch"
http://ariplex.com/folia/archives/643.htm
"Beweisstück der Anklage: das Homöopathische Arzneibuch"
http://ariplex.com/folia/archives/647.htm


Auch die weiteren Stellungnahmen Kösters' sind Larifari und in ihrer rhetorischen Machart nur darauf ausgerichtet, sich über Andere zu erheben und immer das letzte Wort zu haben.

Das jedes einzelne Mal hier zu kommentieren erspare ich mir fürs erste.


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Die Mission der homöopathischen Ärzte in Liberia verletzt Forschungsethik schrieb am 10.12.2014 20:17 Uhr:

Ungeachtet der Frage nach der sehr zweifelhaften Wirksamkeit bin ich besorgt, dass die vom DZvhÄ organisierte Reise grundlegende forschungethische Prinzipien verletzt. Cornelia Bajic (Vorsitzende des DZvhÄ) sagte in der "Zeitschrift Homöopathie": "Die homöopathische Behandlung von Ebola-Patienten sollte begleitend zu der von der WHO vorgeschriebenen Standardtherapie durchgeführt und dokumentiert werden." Es handelte sich also um eine meiner Meinung nach genehmigungspflichtige klinische Prüfung am Menschen (nach AMG § 4 Satz 23). Es gab aber (laut eigener Aussage des DZvhÄ im Austausch mit Prof. Edzard Ernst) kein Studienprotokoll und keine Freigabe durch eine Ethikkommission.
Bewertet man die Reise der Gruppe nach Liberia und den Plan dort Ebolafieber homöopathisch zu behandeln als medizinische Forschung, so hätte das aber unbedingt erfolgen müssen. Das schreibt international die Helsinki-Deklaration vor, in Deutschland ist das im GCP-V ebenfalls klar geregelt.
Wenn man mal den Argumenten der Homöopathen folgt und annimmt, es könnte eine spezifische Wirkung von ihren Globuli bei Ebola geben - ja gerade dann wäre die Zustimmung einer Ethikkommission unabdinglich. Bei einer Erkrankung mit einer Mortalität von 50% kann die Wirkung ja genausogut zu einer Verschlechterung führen.
Ich bin der Meinung, dass man ein solches Fehlverhalten der DZvhÄ nicht einfach durchgehen lassen kann.

ringo74 schrieb am 10.12.2014 20:55 Uhr:

"Er äußert sich hier besorgt, dass diese Mission hätte dazu führen können „dass Patienten beispielsweise auch bei schweren Erkrankungen nicht ins Krankenhaus gingen.“ – Wahrscheinlich ist ihm aber gut bekannt, dass die homöopathische Behandlung eben an einem Krankenhaus angeboten werden sollte, zusätzlich zu der konventionellen Therapie."
Das ist grundsätzlich korrekt. Es ist aber zu befürchten, dass man einen Behandlungserfolg ausschließlich der Homöopathie zuschreibt. Ab dann ist es nur noch ein kleiner Schritt zur ausschließlichen Behandlung mit Homöopathie - gerade da die klassische Homöopathie keine andere Behandlung neben sich duldet.

"Und wenn er hier zitiert wird mit der Aussage: „Es gebe keine einzige Studie, die den Nutzen nachvollziehbar beweise“ – dann ist diese Aussage mindestens verkürzt, im Grunde aber unredlich. …] Was heißt nun nahe legen? – Gibt es "nahe legen" in der Wissenschaft? – Es gibt bei Studien eigentlich nur signifikante Ergebnisse – und Ergebnisse, die es nicht sind."
Ja es gibt "nahe legen" in der Wissenschaft. Nur weil sie ein positives Ergebnis einer Studie oder eines Experiments haben heißt das noch lange nichts. Wichtig ist - und das trifft im Besonderen auf die Behauptungen der Homöopathie zu - die Ergebnisse möglichst unabhängig zu reproduzieren um Fehler auszuschließen. Studien zur Homöopathie werden aber typischerweise nicht reproduziert. Stattdessen produziert man immer neue Studien.

ringo74 schrieb am 10.12.2014 20:55 Uhr:

"und es ist eine Weymayr wohlbekannte Tatsache, dass unter den methodisch guten Studien zur Homöopathie, die Mehrheit ein signifikant positives Ergebnis zeigt. (Und exakt das ist auch das Ergebnis aller Metaanalysen zur Homöopathie)"
Das ist schlicht falsch. Die Studien, die der Homöopathie eine Wirkung bescheinigen sind praktisch immer Unsinn. Zu sehen ist das sehr schön hier:http://www.beweisaufnahme-homoeopathie.de/blog/. In der Folge sind natürlich alle Meta-Studien Unsinn, da sie von einer falschen Datenbasis ausgehen.

"Jedenfalls haben mir Arnika-Globuli eine Entzündung im Bein geheilt; die verschriebenen schulmedizinischen Tabletten konnte ich nicht vertragen."
Das ist eine Anekdote – kein Beweis.

Curt Kösters schrieb am 10.12.2014 23:07 Uhr:

Herzlichen Dank an Herrn Weymayr für die Klarstellung. Ihr methodischer Einwand zur Berücksichtigung der Plausibilität (Weymayr C: Scientabilität —ein Konzept zum Umgang der EbM mit homöopathischen Arzneimitteln. ZEFQ, 2013: 107, 606—610) ist mir gut bekannt und subjektiv auch nachvollziehbar. Wissenschaftstheoretisch halte ich ihn für problematisch.
Die Doppelblindstudie ist nun mal nicht irgendein Messinstrument – sondern der derzeitige „Goldstandard“ der EBM. Wenn Sie akzeptieren, dass die Mehrheit (auch die Mehrheit der qualitativ hochwertigen Studien) ein signifikantes Ergebnis zeigt, dann gibt es m.E. doch nur drei Möglichkeiten dieses in Ihrem Sinne zu erklären.
1. Zufall
2. Systematische Fälschung
3. Publikations-Bias
Alle drei Möglichkeiten haben Sie in Ihrem Buch in den Raum gestellt, aus meiner Sicht aber mit unzureichenden Argumenten. – Bei der Berechnung der Zufallswahrscheinlichkeiten kommt man auf Zahlen, die einen unbedingt zum Lotto-Spielen ermuntern.
Am Rande – und nur für die Zukunft: Dass Hahnemann die Homöopathie als „Gegenteil der wissenschaftlich basierten Medizin begriffen“ habe und dies „auch schriftlich fixiert“ habe ist in der Form auch keine haltbare Aussage. Eine wissenschaftlich basierte konventionelle Medizin gab es zu diesem Zeitpunkt noch gar nicht. Und wie sich Hahnemann zur heutigen konventionellen Medizin geäußert hätte, wissen wir naturgemäß nicht – vermutlich aber differenzierter, wie heutige homöopathische Ärzte auch.

Curt Kösters schrieb am 10.12.2014 23:10 Uhr:

Herr Aust – Dank auch für Ihren Kommentar! – Recht haben Sie und auch Herr Weymayr jedenfalls mit dem Hinweis, dass in den (auch von mir, und auch bei schweren Krankheiten) häufig verwendeten Hochpotenzen, mit hoher Wahrscheinlichkeit kein einziges Molekül der Arzneisubstanz mehr enthalten ist. (Unklarheiten im Detail, wie die Frage nach Nanopartikeln lasse ich jetzt außen vor; diese Arbeit kennen Sie sicher auch – und ich bin ebenfalls skeptisch, nicht hinsichtlich der Echtheit der Ergebnisse, doch aber hinsichtlich der Relevanz)
Aber zurück zum eigentlichen Thema: Ebola! – Vielleicht können Sie mir da weiterhelfen. Wenn man sich (wie Sie) sicher ist, dass eine homöopathisch Behandlung gar nicht wirken kann, dann ist diese ganze Aktion doch eigentlich die ideale Gelegenheit um die Homöopathie öffentlich bloß zu stellen.
Den Patienten wird jedenfalls kein Schaden zugefügt; schlimmstenfalls ist das Behandlungsergebnis genauso schlecht, wie in allen anderen Behandlungszentren. Und wenn das Behandlungsergebnis genauso schlecht ist, können Sie die Homöopathie öffentlich an den Pranger stellen.
Wovor also hat man Angst? – Das wird doch nicht etwa die Sorge sein, dass da wider das eigene Weltbild ein unerwartetes Ergebnis herauskommt?
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Curt Kösters schrieb am 11.12.2014 00:42 Uhr:

Wg. Forschungsethik:
„Bewertet man die Reise der Gruppe nach Liberia und den Plan dort Ebolafieber homöopathisch zu behandeln als medizinische Forschung, so hätte das [Studienprotokoll, Freigabe durch eine Ethikkommission] aber unbedingt erfolgen müssen.“ – Fast richtig! (teilweise Ausnahme z.B. Beobachtungsstudie) – Und?
Zu „ringo74“
„Studien zur Homöopathie werden aber typischerweise nicht reproduziert. Stattdessen produziert man immer neue Studien.“ – Nur teilweise richtig, vielleicht informieren Sie sich noch mal genauer.
„Die Studien, die der Homöopathie eine Wirkung bescheinigen sind praktisch immer Unsinn. Zu sehen ist das sehr schön hier:http://www.beweisaufnahme-homoeopathie.de/blog/. In der Folge sind natürlich alle Meta-Studien Unsinn“
Ich glaube auch - allerdings aus anderen Gründen als Sie - dass Meta-Studien zur Homöopathie Unsinn sind.
Wenn Sie meinen, dass eine bestimmte Studie zur Homöopathie Unsinn ist, dann gibt es dafür klare Regeln: Sie müssen eine substantielle Kritik zu dieser jeweiligen Studie an das wissenschaftliche Journal senden, das diese Studie veröffentlicht hat. Die Veröffentlichung der Kritik auf irgendeinem Blog zählt nicht – und das gilt auch umgekehrt.
Und wenn Sie meinen, dass gar alle Studien Unsinn sind, dann müssen Sie sich dieser Mühe schon für jede einzelne Studie unterziehen.
Ansonsten noch: Ich kommuniziere lieber mit Menschen, die ihren Namen nennen, auch wenn Ihnen das altmodisch scheinen mag.

Jan Dieckhöfer schrieb am 11.12.2014 12:01 Uhr:

Herr Kösters, vielen Dank für Ihre erhellenden Kommentare.
Zu meiner Ansicht, dass eine geplante versuchsweise Behandlung von Ebolafieber mit Homöopathika ein Studienprotokoll und die Freigabe einer Ethikkommission benötigt, schreiben Sie: "Fast richtig! (teilweise Ausnahme z.B. Beobachtungsstudie) – Und?"
Inwiefern kann denn ein solches Vorhaben als Beobachtungsstudie gelten? Die zusätzliche Gabe eines für Ebola nicht zugelassenen und nicht erprobten Medikaments (und sei es ein Homöopathikum) ist eine Intervention und der Ansatz prospektiv. Ohne Frage wäre das eine genehmigungspflichtige, interventionelle Studie. Das würde das BfArM und jede Ethikkommission genauso sehen.
Ihren abschliessenden Kommentar "Und?" kann ich nicht so recht einordnen. Ich verstehe ihn als Ausdruck von Indifferenz gegenüber der von mir geäusserten Sorge. Woher kommt diese Indifferenz? Methodisch hält Ihre Argumentation nicht stand. Ich kann sie mir nur so erklären, dass Ihrer Meinung nach forschungsethische Bedenken für Menschen in Liberia weniger Relevanz haben als für Europäer. Könnten Sie hier für Klarheit sorgen?
Zu Ihrer Antwort an Herrn Aust: Sie können doch nicht ernsthaft bei der Rechtfertigung des Nutzens einer homöopathischen Behandlung von Ebola von einer möglichen Wirksamkeit ausgehen und sich dann bei der Antwort auf Kritik auf die postulierte Unwirksamkeit berufen. Nicht Herr Aust wollte die Studie durchführen. Und: Angst ist nicht die einzige Motivation, Homöopathie abzulehnen.

Curt Kösters schrieb am 11.12.2014 21:30 Uhr:

Herr Dieckhöfer, Danke, Ihr Ansatz ist mir jetzt klarer geworden.
Wenn ich als Arzt einem Ebola-Kranken z.B. Paracetamol verabreiche, dann behandle ich ihn mit einem zugelassenen Arzneimittel – und das tue ich in der Erwartung seine Überlebenschancen zu verbessern (fiebersenkende Maßnahmen sind in dem Behandlungsprotokoll der WHO vorgesehen; ob sie wirklich eine gute Idee sind, steht auf einem anderen Blatt). Das Gleiche gilt für die Verabreichung eines homöopathischen Mittels. Beide Arzneimittel sind nicht explizit für die Behandlung von Ebola zugelassen.
Selbstverständlich bin ich als Arzt ethisch und juristisch verantwortlich für diese Behandlung; für die ärztliche Behandlung eines individuellen Kranken mit zugelassenen Arzneimitteln braucht es aber weder Studienprotokoll noch Ethikkommission. Im hiesigen Universitätskrankenhaus wurde ein Ebola-Patient behandelt (erfolgreich) und sicherlich mit diversen Medikamenten. Und natürlich war keines dieser Mittel für Ebola zugelassen. – Es gibt nämlich keine Medikamente, die zur Behandlung von Ebola zugelassen sind! Bisher gibt es nur experimentelle Wirkstoffe mit nicht hinreichend untersuchten Wirkungen und Nebenwirkungen. Die WHO hat daher eigens die Verwendung nicht zugelassener Arzneimittel für ethisch unbedenklich erklärt.
Wg. Beobachtungsstudie und wg. Unwirksamkeit haben Sie mich missverstanden:
1. Das war keine Beobachtungsstudie.
2. Selbstverständlich wurde diese Aktion in der Erwartung einer Wirkung begonnen.

ringo74 schrieb am 11.12.2014 21:35 Uhr:

"Die Doppelblindstudie [...] ein signifikantes Ergebnis zeigt, dann gibt es m.E. doch nur drei Möglichkeiten dieses in Ihrem Sinne zu erklären.
1. Zufall
2. Systematische Fälschung
3. Publikations-Bias"

Tatsächlich ist es schwer zu sagen woran es liegt. Zu den von ihnen genannten Möglichkeiten fallen mir noch zwei weitere ein:
4. Unfähigkeit
5. Festsitzen im Wahnsystem

Ich vermute eine Kombination aus allen genannten Punkten.

"Alle drei Möglichkeiten haben Sie in Ihrem Buch in den Raum gestellt, aus meiner Sicht aber mit unzureichenden Argumenten. – Bei der Berechnung der Zufallswahrscheinlichkeiten kommt man auf Zahlen, die einen unbedingt zum Lotto-Spielen ermuntern."

Da gebe ich ihnen Recht. Zufall kann man wohl ausschließen. Ich habe den Eindruck sie drücken sich ein wenig um die Konsequenz aus diesem Satz. Wenn Herr Weymayr nicht auf Zufall besteht unterstellt er den Homöopathen einen veritablen Skandal - die gezielte Manipulation der Datenlage. Dazu gehört neben Punkt 2 auch Punkt 3. Einen Skandal haben wir aber in jedem Fall. Entweder die Homöopathen biegen sich die signifikanten Beweise für die wohl größte Entdeckung der Menschheitsgeschichte hin, oder die Kritiker ignorieren diese wissentlich. Eines von beiden muss ja wahr sein. Die Frage ist doch wohl maximal: wer bescheißt hier wen?

Interessieren würde mich, welche Studie sie als Beleg der Wirksamkeit der Homöopathie sehen.

ringo74 schrieb am 11.12.2014 21:36 Uhr:

"Vielleicht können Sie mir da weiterhelfen. [...] Wovor also hat man Angst? – Das wird doch nicht etwa die Sorge sein, dass da wider das eigene Weltbild ein unerwartetes Ergebnis herauskommt?"

Mit derselben Argumentation könnte man auch Menschen nach Afrika schicken, die Ebola damit heilen wollen indem sie Tischtennisbälle gegen eine Wand werfen während sie eine Skimütze tragen. Aber warum sollte man das tun? Man würde auch dies ablehnen. Aber ganz sicher nicht, weil man Angst hätte die Tischtennisball/Skimützen-Therapie würde womöglich funktionieren. Man würde es schlicht deshalb nicht tun weil es Unsinn ist. Entschuldigen sie die Polemik - aber man muss es so drastisch formulieren.

Der Schaden der entstehen könnte ist folgender:
1. Ressourcenverschwendung
Die Homöopathen würden nicht vollständig autark arbeiten können. Sie müssten auf Ressourcen der echten Mediziner zurückgreifen - und diese währen verschwendet.
2. Fehlinterpretation der Ergebnisse
Dass die Homöopathen ein schlechtes Behandlungsergebnis in irgendeiner Weise beeindrucken würde halte ich für ein Gerücht. Alleine aus der erfolgten Behandlung (ganz egal mit welchem Ergebnis) würden die Homöopathen einen Erfolg stricken. Und dann könnte das passieren, was ich in einem anderen Kommentar bereits angemerkt habe. Es besteht die Gefahr, dass der Homöopathie eine Wirkung zugesprochen wird wo keine ist und in der Folge eine echte Therapie nicht durchgeführt wird.
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ringo74 schrieb am 11.12.2014 21:37 Uhr:

"Nur teilweise richtig, vielleicht informieren Sie sich noch mal genauer."
Können sie mir Studien nennen, die reproduziert wurden? Unabhängig? Mir ist keine bekannt, die qualitativ hochwertig ist.

"Wenn Sie meinen, dass eine bestimmte Studie zur Homöopathie Unsinn ist, dann gibt es dafür klare Regeln: Sie müssen eine substantielle Kritik zu dieser jeweiligen Studie an das wissenschaftliche Journal senden, das diese Studie veröffentlicht hat. Die Veröffentlichung der Kritik auf irgendeinem Blog zählt nicht – und das gilt auch umgekehrt."

Das sollte idealerweise so sein. Das interessiert Homöopathen aber schlicht nicht. Entscheidend ist, dass eine Studie mit positiven Ergebnis veröffentlicht wird. Ab dann kursiert sie. Jede Kritik danach ist sinnlos. Das Ziel ist längst erreicht. Der Autor des Blocks (Herr Aust) hat nach eigenen Angaben zu Beginn seiner Arbeit die jeweiligen Autoren der untersuchten Studien mit seinen Kritikpunkten konfrontiert und nie eine Antwort bekommen. Ich befürchte das wäre bei den jeweiligen wissenschaftlichen Journalen nicht großartig anders. Was ist auch von wissenschaftlichen Journalen zu halten deren Peer-Review offensichtlich versagt hat? Ihre Aussage, dass eine Kritik in einem Blog nicht zählt kann ich nicht gelten lassen. An den Fakten ändert der Ort einer Veröffentlichung nichts. Tatsächlich würde es mich interessieren, wie die jeweiligen wissenschaftlichen Journale reagieren würden. Das wäre es Wert mal zu geprüft zu werden.

ringo74 schrieb am 11.12.2014 21:38 Uhr:

"Ansonsten noch: Ich kommuniziere lieber mit Menschen, die ihren Namen nennen, auch wenn Ihnen das altmodisch scheinen mag."

Mir ist das egal. An Argumenten ändert sich dadurch nichts. Sie können mich meinetwegen Paranoid nennen. Aber die Kritik an der Homöopathie möchte ich nicht unter meinem echten Namen ausführen. Einem potentiellen Homöopathieaffinen Arbeitgeber könnte es z.B. stören, wenn ich seine Überzeugungen als Wahn bezeichne. Abgesehen davon weiß ich nicht, ob sie tatsächlich Curt Kösters sind oder ihm nur schaden wollen. Was soll das also bringen?

Curt Kösters schrieb am 11.12.2014 22:37 Uhr:

Der Gesundheitsminister von Guinea, Remy Lamah, hat heute bei einer Konferenz der WHO noch einmal betont, dass der Mangel an Ärzten und Pflegekräften eine der wesentlichen Ursachen für die Ausbreitung von Ebola war und ist.
Ich hoffe jetzt nur, dass wenigstens die kubanischen Kollegen nicht mehr vor der Tür stehen.
http://www.welt.de/politik/ausland/article134458842/Aerzte-warten-immer-noch-auf-Einsatz-gegen-Ebola.html
siehe auch:
http://www.sueddeutsche.de/politik/kuba-hilft-im-kampf-gegen-ebola-die-revolution-schickt-ihre-aerzte-1.2159096
(Um Fragen vorzubeugen: Nein, das sind meines Wissens konventionelle Ärzte)
Man fragt sich, wie so etwas sein kann - und den in der Welt zitierten Hinweis des WHO-Sprechers hinsichtlich Sprachkompetenz halte ich für dünn.

Norbert Aust schrieb am 12.12.2014 09:13 Uhr:

Herr Kösters, schön dass Sie mir darin zustimmen, dass die Hochpotenzen keine Moleküle der Arzneisubstanz enthalten. Lassen wir beiseite, was eine 'hohe Wahrscheinlichkeit' von zwei- oder gar dreistelligen Zehnerpotenzen wirklich bedeutet.

Und Sie haben Recht, das Thema Nanopartikel ist in diesem Zusammenhang irrelevant, denn dieser Ansatz kann die vielen offenen Fragen der Arzneimittelherstellung nicht befriedigend erklären. Wie kommt beispielsweise durch die Weitergabe von Nanopartikeln die Steigerung der WIrksamkeit zustande? Oder woher weiß die fertige 'Arznei', welche Nanopartikel zur Wirkung gebracht werden sollen? Die aus der Urtinktur oder die aus den Verunreinigungen der Lösungsmittel?

Natürlich wäre die Ebola-Aktion, wenn sie denn richtig dokumentiert worden wäre, eine Gelegenheit gewesen, die Unwirksamkeit der angewandten Behandlungen aufzuzeigen. Aber wäre dadurch etwas gewonnen? Würden die Homöopathen die Aussagekraft nicht einfach wegdiskutieren? Man hatte halt nicht die richtigen MIttel erkannt? War die Anamnese durch den Schutzanzuge erschwert? War die Lebenskraft der Patienten nicht schon zu weit geschädigt? Wurde die homöopathische Behandlung durch andere arzneiliche Einflüsse gestört? Der Argumente gibt es doch viele.

Bekanntermaßen ist der Nachweis der Unwirksamkeit je recht schlecht zu führen.

Norbert Aust schrieb am 12.12.2014 09:42 Uhr:

Herr Kösters, Sie schreiben in Ihrer Antwort an Ringo74, dass es klare Regeln gebe, wie mit mit fehlerhaften Studien zu verfahren sei. Man müsse dies dem veröffentlichenden Journal mitteilen, schreiben Sie.

Das ist eine Frage, welche Ziele man verfolgt. Für eine akademische Diskussion wäre es sicher richtig, so zu verfahren, wie Sie schreiben. Aber, was nutzt eine akademische Diskussion?

Nichts.

Die Homöopathen stecken sogar desaströse Studienergebnisse einfach weg. Der katastrophale Ausgang der Münchner Kopfschmerzstudie hat doch nicht dazu geführt, dass die Verbreitung der Homöopathie unterblieben wäre, ja noch nicht einmal dazu, dass die Indikation 'Kopfschmerzen' aus den Repertorien verschwunden wäre. Was würde eine Diskussion über eine Arbeit bringen, die vor Jahren veröffentlicht wurde?

Mein Ziel auf meinem Blog ist es, dem interessierten Leser verständlich darzulegen, dass und in welcher Weise die angeblichen Nachweise der Homöopathie Humbug sind. Dies ist etwas, was er in seiner Entscheidung für oder gegen eine homöopathische Behandlung unbedingt wissen sollte. Eine Diskussion in einem Journal käme in dieser Zielgruppe nicht an. Wohl aber meine Artikel auf meinem Blog. Mein derzeit am meisten gelesener Artikel wird gegenwärtig pro Monat rund 600 Mal angeklickt und offenbar auch gelesen, wenn man die Zeit betrachtet, die die Besucher dort verbringen.

Ich strebe nicht nach akademischen Weihen - die Information der Öffentlichkeit ist mein Ziel.
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excanwahn schrieb am 12.12.2014 10:31 Uhr:

Absurde Diskussion!

Die „Homöopathie“ ist als Verfahren insuffizient, eine zur Therapie erklärte Wissenslücke aus napoleonischer Zeit, voller Denkfehler und Irrtümer.

Wie ein Organismus funktioniert und wie seine Krankheiten, entstehen, wurde von den Naturwissenschaften und der wissenschaftsbasierten Medizin herausgefunden. Der Beitrag der Homöopathie dazu ist null - letztlich der Tatsache geschuldet, dass im 18. Jhdt. so gut wie keine Möglichkeit bestand, eine Ätiologie zu entwickeln, die den heute erkannten Kausalitäten auch nur ansatzweise gerecht wird.
Wo sich ihr Gründervater und seine Nachfolger in ihrer Ratlosigkeit überboten, und Phantastereien an die Stelle der kausalen Begründung setzten, finden wir die homöopathische Theorie der Miasmen: Die Überzeugung, dass in jedem Menschen so eine Art progredienter „Ur-Krankheit“ ihr Unwesen treibt. Mystizismus in Reinkultur.

Wir müssen deshalb feststellen: Die Homöopathie beschreibt - als soziales Konstrukt - keineswegs einen Teil der unabhängig von uns und unseren Vorstellungen existierenden Natur, sie ist eine bloße Erfindung, ausschließlich durch deklaratorische Bedeutungszuweisung begründet.

Weymayr hat die Irrlehre zerlegt: Auf dem Seziertisch blieb ein Elend aus Selbst- und Fremdtäuschung, zurück, bereit begraben zu werden. Und dann erscheint ein erkenntnisresistenter Curt Kösters und verkündet mit trotziger Stimme: „Homöopathie wirkt! Ich hab´s erfahren!“

Schwer zu ertragende Borniertheit.

Jan Dieckhöfer schrieb am 12.12.2014 16:40 Uhr:

Herr Kösters, Sie schreiben: "für die ärztliche Behandlung eines individuellen Kranken mit zugelassenen Arzneimitteln braucht es aber weder Studienprotokoll noch Ethikkommission.". Richtig, sehe ich natürlich genauso. Aber liegt dieser Sachverhalt hier vor? Die Aussage von Frau Bajic impliziert, dass ein ganzes Patientenkollektiv (nicht ein individueller Patient) gezielt aufgesucht wurde, um die Wirkung eines "Medikaments" zu untersuchen und zu dokumentieren. Dies ist kein "Behandlungsversuch", sondern medizinische Forschung am Menschen. Ich behaupte: wenn Ebola nicht in Westafrika sondern in Bayern aufgetreten wäre, und Sie als Hamburger Arzt dort eine Untersuchung zur Wirksamkeit homöopathischer Mittel hätten durchführen wollen, dann wäre Ihnen die Freigabe dazu ohne Studienprotokoll und ohne Ethikkommission nicht erteilt worden. Nur in Liberia kräht kein Hahn danach. Rechtlich mag das ja unproblematisch sein, ethisch ist es aber dort genau das selbe. Wobei noch hinzukommt, dass die sowieso schon knappen Ressourcen durch die unnötige Aktion noch weiter belastet wurden.
Am Ende können wir uns hier lange darüber streiten, wie die Reise der 4 Homöopathen forschungsethisch zu bewerten ist. Da es mich aber wirklich interessiert, habe ich mal beim BfArM nachgefragt. Falls ich eine Antwort erhalte, lasse ich Sie es in jedem Fall wissen.

Curt Kösters schrieb am 12.12.2014 19:22 Uhr:

Herr Dieckhöfer, WENN eine „Untersuchung zur Wirksamkeit homöopathischer Mittel“ beabsichtigt gewesen wäre, hätten Sie selbstverständlich recht.
Eine solche Untersuchung zur Wirksamkeit folgt aber wissenschaftlichen Regeln, jedenfalls wenn sie im wissenschaftlichen Kontext als solche anerkannt werden möchte; Sie zumindest würden doch eine Untersuchung zur Wirksamkeit von vorne herein als irrelevant einstufen, wenn Sie nicht placebokontrolliert durchgeführt wurde. (und um es offen zu sagen, habe ich den Eindruck, dass Sie möglicherweise auch placebokontrollierte Studien als irrelevant einstufen würden, jedenfalls wenn es sich um Studien zur Homöopathie handelt)
Und da kommt man dann als Arzt zu einem ethischen Dilemma: Eine placebokontrollierte Studie ist wissenschaftlich relevanter, keine Frage. Wenn ich als Arzt aber der Meinung bin, dass mein Verum plausibel und erfolgversprechend ist, habe ich bei einer Krankheit wie Ebola ein ethisches Problem damit, Patienten Placebo zu verabreichen.
Eine Doppelblindstudie wurde nicht angestrebt, und auch die Überlegung einer reinen Beobachtungsstudie wurde verworfen. Angestrebt war also die Behandlung von Kranken – nach den Regeln der WHO, mit Homöopathie als möglichem Add-on.

Curt Kösters schrieb am 12.12.2014 19:25 Uhr:

Herr Aust, die Hebung des Menschengeschlechtes aus selbstverschuldeter Unmündigkeit ist ein ehrenwertes Anliegen – und sicher nicht ohne Wirkung.
Erst gestern war ein Patient bei mir, der die Wirkung von Hochpotenzen für völlig unplausibel hält; und ich konnte ihm da nur beipflichten.
Sein Problem war nur, dass die bisherigen Mittel zur Behebung seines Leidens leider wirkungslos waren – und weitere mögliche konventionelle Maßnahmen nebenwirkungsträchtig wären.
Wenn nun die von mir erwartete Besserung seiner Beschwerden eintritt - nach der von mir verschriebenen Hochpotenz (post hoc), wird sich seine Haltung möglicherweise ändern, meine nicht.
Aus meiner Sicht sind die beiden wichtigsten Grundhaltungen wissenschaftlichen Denkens Neugier und Skepsis.
Den Mangel an Skepsis würde ich Ihnen nun sicher nicht vorwerfen; wenn Sie aber Ihre möglicherweise substantielle Kritik nicht auch dort anbringen, wo sie hin gehört, werden Sie nie erfahren, ob es zu Ihren Argumenten möglicherweise auch Gegenargumente gibt – und Sie können sich dann jedenfalls nicht beschweren, dass Ihre Kritik nicht wahr genommen wird.
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Curt Kösters, am 12.12.2014 19:25 Uhr:
"Den Mangel an Skepsis würde ich Ihnen nun sicher nicht vorwerfen; wenn Sie aber Ihre möglicherweise substantielle Kritik nicht auch dort anbringen, wo sie hin gehört, werden Sie nie erfahren, ob es zu Ihren Argumenten möglicherweise auch Gegenargumente gibt – und Sie können sich dann jedenfalls nicht beschweren, dass Ihre Kritik nicht wahr genommen wird."

Das ist erstens Larifari und zweitens unverschämt.

Die Wahrheit:
Es gibt hinreichende Beispiele, daß Homöopathen fundierte Kritik ignorieren oder weglügen.
Der Beweis:
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Prof. Nieber an der Universität Leipzig weist angeblich nach, dass homöopathische Lösungen von Belladonna auch dann noch Muskeln hemmen, wenn sie so weit verdünnt sind, dass keine Moleküle der Ursprungssubstanz mehr vorhanden sein können. Mehrere Fernsehstationen berichteten in Wissenschaftsmagazinen über dieses "Forschungsergebnis". Kommentar von Prof. Bruhn, Prof. Wielandt und mir [PD Dr. rer. nat. Klaus Keck].
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Quelle:
http://www.xy44.de/
http://www.xy44.de/belladonna/index.html

Die Wahrheit:
Es handelt sich bei der Studie überhaupt nicht um Homöopathie.
Der Beweis:
"Herausforderung an die Universität Leipzig
Der Fall Nieber et al"
http://www.ariplex.com/ama/ama_ho12.htm
"Der Fall Nieber: Pfusch im Labor"
http://www.ariplex.com/ama/ama_ho13.htm
"Der Fall Nieber : Brief an Uni Leipzig"
http://www.ariplex.com/ama/ama_ho16.htm
Fazit:
"Der Fall in Leipzig ist ein klägliches Versagen einer ganzen Universität. Eine Schande für die Wissenschaft."

Ist es Ironie der Geschichte oder gibt es einen Zusammenhang? Monika Kölsch und Michael Kölsch sind in Leipzig, jenem Ort, wo  vor elf jahren die Universität JAHRE brauchte, um ihren Unrat so ein kleines bißchen zu beseitigen. Der o.g. "Brief an die Uni Leipzig" läßt an der notwendigen Härte nichts zu wünschen übrig. Deswegen soll er hier zitiert werden:

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Homöopathie
Der Fall Nieber: Pfusch im Labor
Offener Brief an die Universität Leipzig

13.3.2005

An: Dekan Eger at Uni Leipzig <dekanat.bio@rz.uni-leipzig.de>

cc: Prof. Dr. Karen Nieber <nieber@uni-leipzig.de>

Beschwerde wegen massivem Verstoß gegen elementarste Grundregeln der Homöopathie und gegen die Wissenschaftlichkeit

Dekan  Prof. Dr. Kurt Eger

Universität Leipzig,
Fakultät für Biowissenschaften, Pharmazie und Psychologie
Brüderstraße 32
04103  Leipzig
Telefon +49 (0) 341 97 36 700
Fax     +49 (0) 341 97 36 749
E-Mail  dekanat.bio@uni-leipzig.de

Bremerhaven, 13.3.2005

Sehr geehrter Herr Professor Eger,

Sie sind über den Fall Nieber et al informiert :

http://wwwvm.rz.uni-leipzig.de/~ifabdez5/presse/index.php?modus=pmanzeige&pm_id=1404

Seit Ende 2003 hat es die Universität Leipzig nicht geschafft, ihren
groben Pfusch aufzuräumen.


1. Das Mindeste, was man von Homöopathen verlangen kann und darf und muß,
   ist, daß sie sich an die Grundregeln der Homöopathie halten.

   Wie man unschwer erkennen kann, sind bei den Versuchen an der Universität
   Leizig diese Grundregeln nicht eingehalten worden.

2. Ich fordere die Universität Leipzig heraus, zu beweisen, daß sie sich
   EINWANDFREI an die Grundregeln der Homöopathie gehalten hat.

3. Ich fordere die Universität Leipzig heraus, zu beweisen, daß das Schütteln
   eine einwandfrei reproduzierbare, meßbare Größe für den Nachweis der
   Wirksamkeit liefert.

4. Ich behaupte, daß die Versuche an der Universität Leipzig elementarste
   Grundregeln der Homöopathie mißachten und daher keine Homöopathie sind.
   Wissenschaftlich sind sie erst recht nicht.

Bevor Sie mir mit einer der typischen Standardfloskeln der Esoteriker
antworten, rate ich Ihnen, erst einmal diese Web-Seiten

   http://www.ariplex.com/ama/ama_ho12.htm
   http://www.ariplex.com/ama/ama_ho13.htm

zu lesen, sowie das Organon von Hahnemann. Und zwar gründlich !

Im Gegensatz zu Ihren Professoren sitzt hier kein blutiger Anfänger.

Mit freundlichem Gruß

Aribert Deckers
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In Leipzig wurde gegen die Grundlagen der Homöopathie verstoßen. Außer gewissen Kritikern der Homöopathie (Bruhn, Keck, Wieland und Deckers) hat das aber niemanden gestört, die Homöopathen am allerwenigsten. Die Nieber hat ihren Preis irgendwann einmal zurückgegeben. Süß allerdings will seinen wohl ins Grab nehmen. Er behält ihn eisern. Auch das scheint die Homöopathen nicht im geringsten zu stören. Oder sehen wir irgendwo, daß Curt Kösters oder gar der "Deutsche Zentralverband homöopathischer Ärzte" die Studie zurückgewiesen und die "Preisträger" zur Rückgabe ihrer Preise aufgefordert haben?

Seit November 2003 sind volle 11 Jahre vergangen. Zeit genug hatten sie, die Homöopathen. Waren sie diese 11 Jahre lang nicht in der Lage, die Fehler zu erkennen? Oder haben sie diese 11 Jahre lang beharrlich gelogen und demonstrativ weggesehen und geleugnet? Das eine wie auch das andere beweist, daß die Homöopathie auch heute durch und durch ein Wahnkonstrukt und Betrugssystem ist. Man kann ja dem einen oder anderen Homöopathen durchaus Unkenntnis oder fachliche Unfähigkeit als Hinderungsgrund der Erkenntnis zubilligen, aber nicht der Gesamtheit der Homöopathen Deutschlands, Europas, oder der gesamten Erde, und schon gar nicht dem "Deutschen Zentralverband homöopathischer Ärzte", denn die machen unentwegt mit ihrem Homöopathiegepfusche an Kranken rum, selbst bei Frühchen mit Hirnblutung:
"Verlogener Sauhaufen, Betrüger, oder ganz einfach Wahnsinnige?"
http://transgallaxys.com/~kanzlerzwo/index.php?topic=6774.0


Soviel zur "Wissenschaftlichkeit" und zur Redlichkeit Curt Kösters' und des "Deutschen Zentralverbands homöopathischer Ärzte".
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Confessions by Medha Durge show: the homeopaths cheated
« Reply #90 on: December 16, 2014, 10:17:02 PM »

Some homeopath made an "interview" with Medha Durge.

Key statements:

"She was there to assess the situation and if possible explore the use of homeopathy for the Ebola epidemic"

In contrast to the claims of the "Freunde Liberias" this is not a humanitarian mission, but a straight PR action.


"The MSF and WHO and many other international bodies had been working for some time there."

This is most interesting. It underscores why the WHO could react: because the WHO personnel was there on location, and so became aware of the fraud by the homeopaths.

Alarmed, the WHO personnel reacted. But they could not prevent everything.And Medha Durge is such a piece of work... See how the homeopaths defrauded the WHO and the armed forces:

"Initially their ministers did not know much about homeopathy. However they cooperated and were keen on it. They were just glad that doctors had come to help them. The WHO had come up with a memorandom stating that they supported homeopathy and had not underpinned homeopathy in their protocol. However, they had laid down strict protocols about everything related to Ebola patients, treatment, dead bodies etc. and these prevented us from going to Ebola Treatment Units (ETU). This caused an embarrassment to the ministers. Nevertheless, access to hospitals was given and so we could treat some cases here and there, and of course lots of other general cases. We could do enough for me to say that homeopathy was a good option to explore."

This is it. This really is it. The homeopaths were not allowed to go to the "Ebola Treatment Units". But they could to to some hospitals, and there, in the hospitals "we could treat some cases here and there". Ebola cases!

According to the interview it is ebola cases. Durge refers to other than ebola as "and of course lots of other general cases".


Medha Durge repeats the statements:

AS: "Did you have an opportunity to take any cases and do treatment?"

MD: "Yes, I did get to treat a few people. One case was also post-Ebola, with severe headache and disorientation that responded to Gels 200 in 3 doses."


So the homeopaths did break the rules. They did that in Liberia and they did that when returning home. Any bets on them telling the health care supervisors at the border that they had had no contact with ebola patients?


The action was, naturally, a success, says Durge: "We helpled confirm that homeopathy is a partner in world healthcare and epidemics"

You think Charles Manson is a sociopath? What do you think these frauds are?



Here is the interview in full length. Just in case the homeopaths again want to delete their traces...

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http://hpathy.com/homeopathy-interviews/dr-medha-durge-interviewed-alan-v-schmukler/

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Dr. Medha Durge Interviewed by Alan V. Schmukler
Alan V. Schmukler

Hpathy Ezine, December, 2014 | December 16, 2014

Dr. Medha Durge relates her experiences in Liberia during the Ebola outbreak.

dr_medha
On Oct 17 Dr. Medha Durge arrived in Liberia along with homeopaths Ortrud Lindemann, from Germany and Richard Hiltner from the U.S. She was there to assess the situation and if possible explore the use of homeopathy for the Ebola epidemic. She chats with us about her experience there. She has been practicing classical homeopathy for the last 22yrs, after having trained under the renowned Drs. ML Dhawale, Kasad, Anil Bhatia and Apte. Dr. Durge worked for many years with the Institute of Clinical Research and is currently a member of LMHI, RCCM (UK), CHAIN, and the Maharashtra Council of Homeopathy.

AS: What made you decide to go to Liberia where the Ebola epidemic was occurring?

MD: Ebola had been in news right from March 2014. I had been active in following it up and also reading all the health updates about it. I kept thinking that solutions would be worked out as the MSF/ WHO were working closely on it.

However, by July nothing significant had happened and I began to think of homeopathy as a solution, as people were dying. So I started to leverage the social media and find solutions to it online by discussions etc. Until then I had not thought of going there since it was far-fetched, expensive and not logistically possible as an individual homeopath. Of course when LMHI took it up and decided to do something about Ebola, I wanted to go. In fact nothing could have stopped me.

AS: When did you arrive and what did you find?  What were the conditions?  Was there a hospital?  Did they have necessary items like IV fluids etc.?

MD: I arrived on 17th Oct, 2014 in the late evening. The MSF and WHO and many other international bodies had been working for some time there. So there was a fair amount of system in place. There was a training course of five days for all healthcare workers, docs included, who were going to be working for Ebola patients. The hospitals were in place and also IV fluids etc, though they were not enough, especially when Ebola was at its peak. Some boards and public awareness processes were going on, but doctors and trained nurses were few and many more were required. In Ebola there is often what is called projectile vomiting. Even if a healthcare worker stands away the vomitus of a patient can still land on his body. Hence it’s important for healthcare workers to be careful and always protected.

AS: Where did you live while you were there? What were your living conditions like?

MD: We were put up in a nice hotel a little outside the city of Monrovia, probably for our health safety, as Monrovia was full of Ebola. I found it fine but my colleagues were upset as there was no running water, power supply was uncertain and there was a tense atmosphere due to Ebola.

AS: Did you have safety equipment such as gowns and face masks? Was there any training in safety methods?

MD: We were given a crash course designed by WHO for two days. It was necessary I felt, since it helped us take better care of ourselves. All safety gear were provided including PPE (personal protection equipment). There were plenty of gloves, gowns etc

AS:  Did you have cooperation from the government or from non- governmental agencies like the WHO?  Did any agency help or hinder your work?

MD: Initially their ministers did not know much about homeopathy. However they cooperated and were keen on it. They were just glad that doctors had come to help them. The WHO had come up with a memorandom stating that they supported homeopathy and had not underpinned homeopathy in their protocol. However, they had laid down strict protocols about everything related to Ebola patients, treatment, dead bodies etc. and these prevented us from going to Ebola Treatment Units (ETU). This caused an embarrassment to the ministers. Nevertheless, access to hospitals was given and so we could treat some cases here and there, and of course lots of other general cases. We could do enough for me to say that homeopathy was a good option to explore.

AS: What kind of symptoms did you observe?

MD: Apart from all the symtoms that you read online, the ones which struck me were: projectile vomiting and symptoms of disorientation, which were like what we observe in cerebral oedema or meningitis. Also there was chronic malaria and typhoid, low Hb(3-4-5) and malnutrition in a large number of cases. This made me even more certain that homeopathy would work better.

AS: Did you have an opportunity to take any cases and do treatment?

MD: Yes, I did get to treat a few people. One case was also post-Ebola, with severe headache and disorientation that responded to Gels 200 in 3 doses.


AS: Did you find any remedies that looked promising in individual patients?

MD: I would say Gelsemium, Crotalus and Tuberculinum would work well.

AS: Did you get to treat patients for conditions other than Ebola?  What kind of reaction did those people have to being treated with homeopathy?

MD: Since we were attached to a hospital I treated all regular cases-like asthma , bronchitis, epistaxis, haematemesis, chronic malaria , hypertension, enlarged glands.They responded well and in fact much better than I have seen and in a few doses only. To them it seemed like magic! They were impressed enough to want homeopathy for their people and I suppose LMHI has received invitation from other African countries as well to introduce homeopathy.
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Dr. Medha Durge Interviewed by Alan V. Schmukler
Alan V. Schmukler

Hpathy Ezine, December, 2014 | December 16, 2014

Dr. Medha Durge relates her experiences in Liberia during the Ebola outbreak.

Clinically there were a few constraints, since where we worked they did not have sonography machines or scans to evaluate the cases. It is a must to understand the pathology and diagnosis when you treat people with homeopathy. Hence I always saw to it that they were within the scope of homeopathy and diagnosis was fairly clear. The people wanted to take homeopathy and now I get follow up emails as well.

AS: How long did you stay?   Why did you decide to leave? Did any organization sponsor the trip or cover expenses?

MD: Our trip was planned for 3 weeks and we stayed for 3weeks. The trip was sponsored by LMHI a global homeopathic organization.

AS:  What would be needed, or what would have to change for homeopathy to have more impact in the epidemic?  Would there have to be policy changes? Anything else?

MD: Homoeopathy needs to be an important partner in the healthcare system during epidemics. Why shouldn’t MSF or REDCROSS or any other NGOs use homoeopathy? After all, these are all humanitarian organizations which need to keep human life as the top priority. Homoeopaths also need to come forward during these times and consider themselves accountable. We should not be afraid to try or fail. The response of the homoeopathic community should be prompt and all protocols designed by the WHO or other international NGOs should include homeopathy. Initial use of homeopathy during an epidemic will bring down the costs. The most important thing is the mindset of the homoeopaths, since we need them in crises.  This would therefore be a BIG policy change. Hence it is better if we think of homeopathy in the earlier stages, as later it gets complicated due to conflicts, business interests and politics. Considering this, the main thing about Liberia was that the WHO did know about us, and we did land during crises times and created a splash. Next time we can plan it better.

AS: What do you feel was accomplished by the homeopathy team’s visit?

MD: We helpled confirm that homeopathy is a partner in world healthcare and epidemics, which is serious message. Probably for the first time it seems to have been accepted, partially at least, that homeopathy may have a role to play here in Liberia and other African countries, and it can benefit tremendously. This may help lead to important policy changes in epidemic protocols by NGOs like the Redcross, MSF etc, allowing homeopathy to be even more successful.

Thank you Dr. Durge for sharing with us today. You’ve demonstrated your passion and dedication in going to the front lines of this situation.

Visit Dr. Durge at her website: http://www.homeopathy4all.com
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« Reply #91 on: December 18, 2014, 06:27:57 AM »

Curt Kösters läßt keine Gelegenheit aus, sich so richtig gründlich, über alle Maßen, vollumfänglichst, öffentlich zu blamieren.

Na gut, vielleicht schon die eine oder andere, in Ulan Bator oder auf den windigschiefen Aleuten. Aber die beim NDR, also da ist er gründlich. Jetzt hat er 3 (in Worten DREI) gegen sich in einer Webseite, von denen jeder einzelne ihn locker zerlegt. Und er meint immer noch, er könnte es sich erlauben, Anderen an den Kopf zu werfen, die hätten bloß ein "Halbwissen". "Halbwissen" hat er geschrieben. Halbwissen! Dabei kapiert er nicht einmal, was Homöopathie ist und was sie nicht ist. Quelle Blamage!

Um es mit Excanwahn zu sagen: "Das ist nicht Wissenschaft, das ist Blödheit."

Ja, ja, das mit dem Binnenkonsens ist schon bitter. Wenn man etwas verteidigen muß, das man weder verstanden hat noch das etwas anderes ist als Bullshit zum Quadrat. 


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Santos d'Ice schrieb am 15.12.2014 13:48 Uhr:

Herr Kösters tut so als ob die Homöopathen sich ernsthaft um Wissenschaftlichkeit bemühen würden. Die Vorgänge in Leipzig in den Jahren um 2003 beweisen das Gegenteil: weder wurde wissenschaftlich gearbeitet noch wurde auf Kritik reagiert. Die Sache Nieber/Schmidt/Süß ist noch immer nicht aufgeklärt.

Wie verrückt muß man sein, um abgeschnittene Körperteile toter Tiere mit Homöopathie heilen wollen?

Wie verrückt muß man sein, um dafür auch noch Preise zu vergeben?

Wie verrückt muß man sein, um diesem Treiben tatenlos zuzusehen?

Wo war die Kritik aus der Welt der Homöopathie zu diesen Vorgängen?

Wo war Kösters in all diesen Jahren? Will er behaupten, von den Vorgängen nichts zu wissen?

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Curt Kösters schrieb am 15.12.2014 23:32 Uhr:

Estimado Sr. Santos d'Ice
Herr Kösters spricht nicht für „die Homöopathie“; dafür hat er kein Mandat (leider!).
Herr Kösters spricht allenfalls für Organisationen, zu deren Vorstand er gehört - und das auch nur, wenn er das Statement abgesprochen hat.
Ansonsten spricht er einfach für sich, ist aber wiederum auch nicht verantwortlich für alles, was irgendwie mit „der Homöopathie“ in Verbindung gebracht wird.
Ob sich „die Homöopathen ernsthaft um Wissenschaftlichkeit bemühen“, kann Herr Kösters insofern nur begrenzt beantworten.
Con saludos cordiales
Curt Kösters

PS: Wiederum, kann ich die Frage, ob ICH mich ernsthaft um Wissenschaftlichkeit bemühe, wahrscheinlich selbst am besten beantworten; ob etwaige Bemühungen von Erfolg gekrönt oder wenigstens aussichtsreich sind, besser andere.
Aufgrund Ihres Textes habe ich den Eindruck, dass Sie hinsichtlich des Versuches (Wirkung von Atropin in potenzierter Form auf Rattendärme) und der Begleitumstände über ein solides Halbwissen verfügen. Einige Tatsachen, sind Ihnen ganz offensichtlich unbekannt. – Wenn ich weiß mit wem ich hier kommuniziere, gehe ich (im Rahmen meines allerdings auch nur begrenzten Wissens und meiner ebenso begrenzten Zeit gerne genauer darauf ein)
Im Moment erinnere ich gerade die Kritik zweier Professoren (der Pharmakologie??), die darauf hinwiesen, dass eine Belladonna C30 gar nicht herstellbar sei. Diese Kritik fand ich damals in mancher Hinsicht lustig, in anderer vielsagend, aber nicht durchdacht.

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Norbert Aust schrieb am 16.12.2014 13:00 Uhr:

Herr Kösters,
weil es gerade so schön passt: In den letzten Tagen hat das Ochsner-Journal einen Leserbrief von mir veröffentlicht, in dem es um eine Arbeit von Frass et al. über die homöopathische Zusatzbehandlung von Vergiftungen durch Knollenblätterpilze ging.

Link: http://www.ochsnerjournal.org/doi/full/10.1043/1524-5012-14.4.517

Die Autoren stimmen immerhin dahingehend zu, dass die gezogene Schlussfolgerung hätte etwas vorsichtiger formuliert werden müssen.

Ich würde mich allerdings sehr wundern, wenn dies in der Darstellung der Homöopathie in der Öffentlichkeit irgendwelche Folgen hätte.

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Curt Kösters schrieb am 16.12.2014 23:56 Uhr:

Herr Aust,
ich habe mir das angesehen.
Aus Sicht jeden Mediziners sind die Fälle (Leberversagen nach Knollenblätterpilzvergiftung) eindrucksvoll. – Ihre Kritik ist plausibel (aus meiner Sicht eher die Punkte 1 und 3), die Antwort der Autoren ebenso.
Auf die öffentliche Darstellung der Homöopathie hat all das keinen Einfluss; eindrucksvolle Fälle gibt es in der Literatur der Homöopathie viele – ich habe selbst ein paar gesehen.
Was ich vermitteln wollte, wird aus der Kontroverse Leipzig nachvollziehbarer:
- Da wurde ein experimentelles Ergebnis veröffentlicht
- Dann gab es jede Menge Kritik – sachliche und unsachliche
- Die Universität hat die Arbeit zurückgezogen (ob aufgrund berechtigter Kritik oder aufgrund der schieren Flut kritischer Äußerungen, kann ich nicht beurteilen)
- Die Arbeit wurde dann repliziert (an der Charité in Berlin und mit einer Finanzierung durch die Carstens-Stiftung, wenn ich richtig erinnere) – und das Ergebnis ließ sich nicht replizieren.
Aus meiner Sicht ist das ein normaler Vorgang. Methodische Fehler kommen vor in experimentellen Wissenschaften; ebenso kommt es vor, dass Ergebnisse nicht repliziert werden können (aus unterschiedlichen Gründen).
Ich finde kritische Einwände erst mal gut, auch wenn ich selbst nicht immer jeden Einwand beurteilen kann.
Skandalös finde ich nur Fälschungen – allerdings auch verzerrte Darstellungen.
Tendenziöse Darstellungen, finde ich auch nicht gut, aber leider normal bei einem derart kontroversen Thema.

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excanwahn schrieb am 18.12.2014 08:45 Uhr:

Der Reproduktionsversuch der Leipziger Gaga-Experimente fand nicht durch die Human- sondern durch die Veterinärmedizin statt. Wobei, wäre das Institut für Sozialmedizin usw. involviert gewesen, wer weiß?
Was da dereinst in Leipzig stattfand, ist nicht normal für die und in der Wissenschaft:

„Hey, die Thermodynamik hat bekanntlich ihre Lücken; wir bauen mal ein Perpetuum Mobile.“

„Aber das ist doch Unsinn, das kann nicht funktionieren!“

„Sagt Ihr! Aber kann es nur deswegen nicht funktionieren, weil es nicht funktionieren darf?“

3 Wochen später: „Fertig! Fertig, fertig, feeertig! Jetzt gibt´s Lob, Preise, Medaillen! Sekt her...“

3 Wochen später: „Das kann doch nicht wahr sein! Zeigt mal das Teil, oder wenigsten Eure Daten und Versuchsunterlagen!“

3 Wochen später: „Hört mal, Apotheker! Da sind massive Fehler im Versuchsaufbau, und die Daten habt ihr Euch zusammengestrickt! Das ist schweres wissenschaftliches Fehlverhalten! Wir haben doch gesagt, dass das nicht funktionieren kann!“

3 Wochen später: „Glauben wir nicht! Außerdem seid Ihr gemein, und wir haben ja auch schon einen Preis bekommen! Wenn das kein Beweis dafür ist, dass unser Perpetuum funktioniert!“

6 Monate später: „Na gut, da ist uns vielleicht der eine oder andere Fehler... - aber im Prinzip funktioniert ´s!“

12 Monate später (in Berlin): „ Tach, wir kommen von der „Physik lügt sowieso - Stiftung“, wir hätten da eine Studie...“

Das ist nicht Wissenschaft, das ist Blödheit.

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« Reply #92 on: January 29, 2015, 09:05:27 AM »

Wenn sie im Knast säßen, das wäre mir lieber.
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Re: Homöopathen ohne Grenzen gehen nach Liberia und Sierra Leone!
« Reply #93 on: March 12, 2015, 12:53:59 PM »

"Wenn sie im Knast säßen, das wäre mir lieber."

Diese Meinung teilen Viele. In Australien gibt es jetzt ENDLICH eine gute Enscheidung gegen die Homöopathiemafia:

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The National Health and Medical Research Council today released a statement concluding that there is no good quality evidence to support the claim that homeopathy is effective in treating health conditions.

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Re: Homöopathen ohne Grenzen gehen nach Liberia und Sierra Leone!
« Reply #94 on: March 22, 2015, 04:28:13 AM »

We knew it would happen. The gang members of the LMHI, the very group of charlatans that sent a "delegation" to the ebola-stricken Liberia, now attacks the Australian decision against homeopathy. This is the press release:

http://www.lmhi.org/downloads/articles/lmhi-press-release-nhmrc-report-15032015-edited.pdf

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Liga Medicorum Homoeopathica Internationalis
(LMHI)
Press Release
15 March 2015

Bias and flawed methodology in the NHMRC report on Homoeopathy

Liga Medicorum Homoeopathica Internationalis (LMHI), an international body which strives
to preserve and promote the homoeopathic science through its worldwide network of licensed
healthcare providers, disagrees strongly with a number of unscientific methods used to draw
questionable conclusions from a narrow group of studies on homoeopathy by the National
Health and Medical Research Council (NHMRC). NHMRC is Australia’s leading expert body
promoting the development and maintenance of public and individual health standards. The
NHMRC Statement on Homeopathy was released on 11 March 2015 by the Homeopathy
Working Committee (HWC) of that council.
The scientists of the LMHI research committee have carefully studied the report and found a
number of biases therein which likely have influenced the long drawn conclusions and
unfavorable opinions NHMRC has published about homoeopathy. Of primary concern is the
unscientific lumping of all manner of homoeopathic treatments for a given disease into one
category, given the name ‘homeopathic treatment’. A variety of studies were combined, even
though entirely different homoeopathic protocols and treatments were used. This would be akin
to proposing a study of conventional medicine for the treatment of depression and considering
any and all medications and psychotherapy regimens as equivalent, and throwing them all
together. What possible conclusion could be drawn on any one treatment or medication? The
very conduct of this review from the refusal to include a homoeopathic professional or
researcher, to the limited selection of the studies considered for review, and the unscientific
lumping of disparate homoeopathic treatments and protocols into one evaluation reflects poorly
on the quality standards deployed by NHMRC in this review.
Homoeopathy is a growing science. Here, the word ‘growth’ does not refer to the well-
recognized principles or medicines that have demonstrated their value through time and clinical
practice, but to the steadily increasing body of evidence for the ‘scientific’ and ‘plausible’
understanding of the mechanisms of homoeopathic medicines. The basic research in
Homoeopathy on physicochemical, pharmacological and biological models has yielded
encouraging to positive results, demonstrating efficacy of Homoeopathy at the preclinical level.
Such research contradicts arguments that effectiveness seen in some homoeopathic research
trials is simply due to the placebo response. NHMRC was extremely selective in their review
of homoeopathic research data. Only a few select systematic reviews were considered and the
small committee ignored hundreds of case series studies, cohort studies, case control trials, and
randomized controlled trials.
Interestingly, in the very beginning of the report, NHMRC mentions ‘The National Health and
Medical Research Council expects that the Australian public will be offered treatments and
therapies based on the best available evidence.’ There lie the keywords: Best Available
Evidence. So, in light of the repeated requests in response to its draft report, why did the
NHMRC refuse to examine the best available evidence in homoeopathy in its review? The
primary requisites of a scientific review are to approach the subject without bias and to conduct
a thorough evaluation. NHMRC appears to be quite selective and flawed in their approach to
this review suggesting both bias and lack of thoroughness in their methods. While this report
may appear as “scientific” to the lay person, its shortcomings are readily apparent to the ethical
scientist. LMHI would also like to draw attention to the fact that the rising popularity and
demand for Homoeopathy in the whole world has a basis, and it is that millions are seeing
results from it, for serious and chronic as well as acute conditions, that exceed what
conventional medicine alone can provide. Homoeopathic practice has always been focused on
the restoration and preservation of health of each individual, rather than the amalgamation of
patients into disease-based categories to support the habitual use of medications to merely keep
symptoms at bay. Data from surveys reveal that more and more allopathic practitioners are
using or recommending homoeopathy as adjuvant or solo therapy, the education level of the
people who seek and use homoeopathy is above average, and support of governments in various
countries for use of complementary therapies continues to grow. The Health Technology
Assessment report on effectiveness, cost-effectiveness and appropriateness of homoeopathy
compiled on behalf of the Swiss Federal Office for Public Health (BAG) within the framework
of the ‘Program of Evaluation of Complementary Medicine (PEK)’, is in tune with these points.
These societal values inherent in homoeopathic medicine support a national public health body
to adopt Homoeopathy as a vital part of its primary healthcare delivery model.
LMHI is quite concerned that a government sanctioned body would utilize such shoddy
methodology and subsequently publish sweeping statements like “there are no health
conditions for which there is reliable evidence that homeopathy is effective” and that “People
who choose homeopathy may put their health at risk if they reject or delay treatments for which
there is good evidence for safety and effectiveness”. Such statements from an official
government body are subject to rapid and frequent misinterpretations. Governments have a
critical responsibility to ensure studies used to set policy be well-conducted and free from bias
before making such impactful announcements. Therefore, LMHI suggests that the Australian
government conduct a thorough and transparent investigation into the flaws and potential bias
present in the NHMRC report.

Raj K. Manchanda
Secretary for Research, LMHI &
Director General, Central Council for Research in Homoeopathy,
Ministry of AYUSH, Government of India

Renzo Galassi
President
LMHI
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The mindless waffle and the bullshit titles of Raj K. Machanda won't impress anyone. But look where he is: in the "Ministry of AYUSH", a new home-base for charlatans, installed by India's corrupt government. So this is, in a way, an attack by a department of the Indian Government. One should consider this before doing any business with that gangster-ridden place on earth.
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« Reply #95 on: March 28, 2015, 12:58:22 AM »

The piece of work did not sign the "press release" alone. He was accompanied by Renzo Galassi:

http://www.lmhi.org/downloads/articles/lmhi-press-release-nhmrc-report-15032015-edited.pdf

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Liga Medicorum Homoeopathica Internationalis
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Press Release
15 March 2015

Bias and flawed methodology in the NHMRC report on Homoeopathy
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Raj K. Manchanda
Secretary for Research, LMHI &
Director General, Central Council for Research in Homoeopathy,
Ministry of AYUSH, Government of India

Renzo Galassi
President LMHI

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An international gang of fraudsters entered big politics and even has their own ministries. Much like the churches.

Not only in Indo-Asia, no, in the very heart of democracy the gang is active in politics. See its influence on German and European laws:

"Beweisstück der Anklage: Auszug aus dem Homöopathischen Arzneibuch"
http://ariplex.com/folia/archives/643.htm

"Beweisstück der Anklage: das Homöopathische Arzneibuch"
http://ariplex.com/folia/archives/647.htm


One could take Terry Pratchett's stories for satire. But be warned, he was only a reporter, giving a broad and detailed view on the backgrounds of medicine and politics.

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Das Bevölkerungsreduktionsprogramm für Neger hat einen Namen: Homöopathie.
« Reply #96 on: September 28, 2015, 07:46:20 PM »



Das Bevölkerungsreduktionsprogramm für Neger hat einen Namen: Homöopathie.
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He is in for ebola!

One more case for martial law: Steve Scrutton
One more homeopath busily nailing coffins for patients:
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Re: Homöopathen ohne Grenzen gehen nach Liberia und Sierra Leone!
« Reply #98 on: September 02, 2016, 03:42:23 PM »

http://www.aerzteblatt.de/nachrichten/70313

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Ebola: Sexuelle Übertragung nach 470 Tagen
Freitag, 2. September 2016

Hamburg – Das Ebola-Virus kann im männlichen Hoden deutlich länger überleben als bislang angenommen. In Guinea hat ein Mann das Virus 470 Tage nach dem Beginn seiner eigenen Ebola-Erkrankung sexuell übertragen und dadurch im Frühjahr diesen Jahres einen kleinen Ausbruch ausgelöst. Laut dem Bericht in Clinical Infectious Diseases (2016; doi: 10.1093/cid/ciw601) war das Virus auch nach 531 Tagen noch im Ejakulat nachweisbar.

Die Weltgesundheitsorganisation erklärte Guinea Ende 2015 für ebolafrei. Damals hatte es seit 42 Tagen, der doppelten Dauer der Inkubationszeit, keine neue Erkrankung mehr gegeben. Mitte März kam es dann erneut in N’Zérékoré, der zweitgrößten Stadt des Landes, überraschend zu einem erneuten Cluster. Innerhalb kurzer Zeit erkrankten zehn Personen, eine davon im Nachbarland Liberia. Acht Erkrankungen endeten tödlich. Danach konnte der Ausbruch gestoppt werden.

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Abgesehen davon, daß Homöopathie reine Idiotie ist und sich bei JEDER Krankheit, was es auch sei, per definitionem verbietet, sollte man diesen Knaller genauer untersuchen.


"Ebola: Sexuelle Übertragung nach 470 Tagen"
"das Virus auch nach 531 Tagen noch im Ejakulat nachweisbar"

Das heißt: Man kann es noch nachweisen. Aber ist es noch infektiös?



"erkrankten zehn Personen, ...  Acht Erkrankungen endeten tödlich.

So kann man eine Epidemie auch beenden: alle Überträger beißen ins Gras. Wer sind die beiden Überlebenden? Etwa Männer?



In dem Artikel steht noch etwas, etwas das sehr, sehr weitreichende Konsequenzen hat, die die Medizin bisher jedoch nicht so richtig untersucht hat, wie ich vermute:

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Es war bekannt, dass Ebola-Viren auch lange Zeit nach dem Abklingen der Erkrankung noch sexuell übertragen werden können. Die Hoden gelten als ein „immun-privilegiertes“ Organ, in dem die Viren vor dem Angriff der Abwehrzellen geschützt sind.
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"Die Viren"? WELCHE VIREN? Welche denn noch!? Welche anderen Krankheiten können sich dort ebenfalls ein gemütliches Plätzchen suchen?


Nachdem in diesem Ebola-Fall der Überträger immer noch lebt, ist er "von den eigenen" Viren nicht angegriffen worden. Logisch, denn es scheint beim Überleben eine bleibende Resistenz zu geben. Wievielen außer diesem einen Mann geht es genauso? Laufen da noch zig oder hunderte Zeitbomben auf zwei Beinen herum? Jedes neue Aufflammen verlängert die Zeit wieder um mindestens EIN JAHR.


Jetzt wieder zurück zu den Homöopathie-Idioten: Homöopathie kennt keine Diagnose. Laut Hahnemann werden Krankheiten nur geistartig übertragen und nicht durch Materie.

Wie kann heute, im Zeitalter von PCR, Elektronenmikroskop und Gensynthese, Jemand allen Ernstes behaupten, Homöopathie würde funktionieren, UND GLEICHZEITIG ARZT SEIN?

Wie kann heute, im Zeitalter von PCR, Elektronenmikroskop und Gensynthese, Jemand allen Ernstes Homöopathen nach Afrika schicken, damit sie dort EBOLA-Kranke gegen EBOLA behandeln?


Stoppt endlich diese Idioten! Stoppt sie ein für alle mal!

Homöopathie ist Massenmord.

Massenmord made in Germany...
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Yulli

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Re: Homöopathen ohne Grenzen gehen nach Liberia und Sierra Leone!
« Reply #99 on: February 08, 2017, 02:24:22 AM »

Die 100.000 sind geknackt!   ;D
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